Noel has always been a bit if a dick. He's funny and writes great songs but is a bit of a dick.

I used to respect him. Worship the ground he walked on even. Last couple of years though my respect from him has all but gone. When you swipe at the people who put you where you are, you aren't due loyalty any more.

The only people who put Noel and Liam Gallagher where they are are Noel and Liam Gallagher.

They owe fans nothing. People need to stop getting so fucking touchy. 

And again, in what way has he 'taken a swipe' at the fans in the last 2 years that was different to the 'swipes' he took earlier in his career?

There genuinely is nothing except the music that has changed. If people - fully grown adults - can't handle a joking comment about 'parka monkeys' then I'd say that's their problem more than anyone else's.

This is where the issue lies for me. People say 'he doesn't give a fuck about the fans'. Truth is, he never really has. So people can't suddenly start saying it just because the music has changed. I have no problem with people not digging the slightly new style, that's all well and good and down to opinion. But that's really the only thing that has changed.

Who gives a fuck? He's had a lot of my money and he can be happy with that.

I can already see where this thread is going...

There's still a chance to divert it if someone starts talking about Brexit very quickly.

I respect him and I love what he's done for me personally with my music.

But I've made this point on other threads. The man at the minute is so far from his fanbase persona wise and it's damaging him alot.

Stuff like mocking Manchester and mocking the way his fans dress? Seriously fucking come on. It's disgraceful.

The people he hangs around with are borderline Illuminati billionaires. Just shows you what that kind of group does to people.

At what point has he mocked Manchester? Saying where he used to live is a shithole? Dunno if you've been to Burnage, but it is. I'm from the arse end of Barnsley. It's a shithole. It's where I grew up, but it's a shithole.

Mocking how people dress? One throwaway comment about parkas? Again, who cares, really? It's not a personal attack and 'disgraceful' seems a very harsh word to use.

I'm just playing devils advocate. I'm not saying we should all worship him or agree with everything he says or does. But there's definitely a general consensus that really is based on little at all. It's like there's been a perception of change but if you look at it objectively, there really hasn't been.

He has been as equally as 'nice' (for lack of a better term) about the fans as he has been harsh/scathing/joking at their expense. But it's only the bad things that are remembered. He spent a good two minutes saying how remarkable the Oasis fanbase was in a recent interview before IoW fest, for example.

Which comment in particular are you referring to mate? All I can think of is one interview where he said his kid had said 'so this is where you're from?' or something along those lines. Yes, he implies he's happy he's out (because he is) but again that's nothing new. Heck, one of my favourite songs starts with the lyric 'Back into the hole where I was born'. It's no secret Noel wanted the high life. He got it. Doesn't mean he hates where he's from. He's said many times how much he loves Manchester. Doesn't mean he can't call a spade a spade.

And you say 'constantly' but is he? Is it constant? We had the 'parka monkey' thing in 2017. Since then, very little. The only thing that's come near that in fact is is 'fat man in an anorak and shorts' jibe the other day, which I didn't know if it was about Liam or a dodgy busker! 

He's mentioned 'people who shop at Size?' liking his next song. Is that an insult? He's talking about his own bloody tune? It just seems so touchy.

I don't wear a parka - can't pull it off - but have far too many pairs of Adidas and far too many jackets. I didn't really take it as a personal attack even though I shop at Size?

On the Liam thing, I don't see how he's bitter because he doesn't ever mention Liam unless directly asked. At least not recently.

Chris Evans the other day. There wasn't one question about Liam until the end (which was a question asked about his mum but Evans mentioned Liam and it was a lead-in question to get a jibe). Noel said something like 'why worry about what the other fella is doing?'.

I'm not going to say he's definitely not a bit bitter. He probably is. But in terms of actually saying anything, he only ever does when he's asked. And he's asked those questions because reporters know that's the best line and what will get people talking. Just exactly the same as Liam gets asked and yes, they both 100% know how to play the game with it. 

So when I see people criticising - and I mean properly criticising - Liam the next time he calls Noel a potato or whatever (which I find funny btw, I honestly think it's just funny) then I'll let the point drop. But that hasn't been happening, overall. And again, it seems to boil down to this perceived change in attitude when, really, all that's changed in the main is the music. Sure, Noel's maybe got a bit grumpier and set in his own ways. But he always has been like that.

Sure, he's probably changed more than Liam has in the last 10 years, but again, that's just life, and they've both had completely different things to deal with (Liam's had a lot of self-inflicted shit that he's recovered from brilliantly, Noel just did his thing, but toned down the 'Oasis-ness' for a few years). If anything, I actually think Noel now is more akin to the gobshite 90s Noel. If anything, he's closer to 1997 in attitude now than he was in 2011.

So it just seems strange for people to start turning against him for that now, which is what leads me to believe it's more a reaction to the music than anything else. And let me be clear, I don't have a problem with that. I just want a bit of honesty and perspective, is all. So if people have a go at Noel for saying or doing one thing, and then Liam does something similar, then they should have a go at him, too. If you get me?

I know that's long and rambling. I'm genuinely not looking for an argument, just putting my opinion out there.

To be fair i do laugh when i see Liam Gallagher look a likes dressed exactly the same from head to toe.

I wouldn't choose to dress like that but I dont laugh at people who are just inspired by the fashion. There's alot worse ways to dress.

It's the mocking nature in which Noel does it that rubs people up the wrong way. You can just tell hes had too many sushi and red wine sessions with Bono. Every line he delivers you can just imagine Bono sat there with his stupid glasses and smug smile.