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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 10:57:45 GMT -5
According to rating data (~55 ballots) of Noel penned songs from this period... the average is 6.8 per song. SOTSOG Era Noel Tunes (16)8.91 8.40 8.30 8.07 7.64 7.63 6.78 6.63 6.33 6.19 6.17 6.12 6.10 6.02 4.75 4.69 6.80
| Gas Panic! Let's All Make Believe Go Let It Out Roll It Over Where Did It All Go Wrong? Fuckin' in the Bushes Who Feels Love? Stop the Clocks One Way Road (As Long as They've Got) Cigarettes in Hell Just Getting Older Carry Us All Revolution Song Sunday Morning Call I Can See a Liar Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is AVERAGE
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I could have missed something else from this period. Either way... this shows a bit of how fans feel about this eras song quality. Carry on. Just imagine how those scores would be outside this forum if they are already that low. According to these rating the album should have been something like this... Fuckin' in the Bushes Go Let It Out Who Feels Love? Gas Panic! Let's All Make Believe Where Did It All Go Wrong? Stop the Clocks One Way Road (As Long as They've Got) Cigarettes in Hell Roll It Over ----- 5 Liam sung 4 Noel sung 1 instrumental ----- Not a chance in hell!
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Dec 21, 2018 12:37:58 GMT -5
According to rating data (~55 ballots) of Noel penned songs from this period... the average is 6.8 per song. SOTSOG Era Noel Tunes (16)8.91 8.40 8.30 8.07 7.64 7.63 6.78 6.63 6.33 6.19 6.17 6.12 6.10 6.02 4.75 4.69 6.80
| Gas Panic! Let's All Make Believe Go Let It Out Roll It Over Where Did It All Go Wrong? Fuckin' in the Bushes Who Feels Love? Stop the Clocks One Way Road (As Long as They've Got) Cigarettes in Hell Just Getting Older Carry Us All Revolution Song Sunday Morning Call I Can See a Liar Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is AVERAGE
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I could have missed something else from this period. Either way... this shows a bit of how fans feel about this eras song quality. Carry on. Here's a full list of SOTSOG era tunes (22 out of 23 released). Noel Written- (As Long as They've Got) Cigarettes in Hell - Carry Us All - Force Of Nature* - Fuckin’ In The Bushes - Full On - Gas Panic! - Go Let It Out - I Can See A Liar - Let’s All Make Believe - One Way Road - Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is - Roll It Over - Sunday Morning Call - Teotihuacan* - Where Did It All Go Wrong? - Who Feels Love? Unused: - For One So Young [Unreleased] - Idler’s Dream - Just Getting Older - Let There Be Love - Little By Little - Revolution Song Liam Written- Little James *Soundtrack release
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Post by Zingbot on Feb 26, 2020 1:06:39 GMT -5
This album really is great. Noel's choruses were bigger than ever, with songs like Roll It Over and WDIAGW. Liams voice was in top form, 1999 was the ideal year for them to record given that Liams in concert vocals were at an all time high. Where did it all go wrong is Noels best vocal take mixed in with some of his best lyrics, Gas Panic has more depth than most of their catalogue, Roll It Over has amazing vocals and a gigantic chorus, Go Let It out has a good vibe and a great bass line, Who Feels Love is a strong song with great production, PYMWYMI and ICSAL serve as decent total bullshit lyric rockers, SMC is a plodding balad that goes nowhere, and Little James is almost hard to dislike if only for it's oblivious and innocent nature. Yeah, this album is great, it'll be my afternoon album tommorrow.
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Post by Jack on Feb 26, 2020 1:39:24 GMT -5
This album really is great. Noel's choruses were bigger than ever, with songs like Roll It Over and WDIAGW. Liams voice was in top form, 1999 was the ideal year for them to record given that Liams in concert vocals were at an all time high. Where did it all go wrong is Noels best vocal take mixed in with some of his best lyrics, Gas Panic has more depth than most of their catalogue, Roll It Over has amazing vocals and a gigantic chorus, Go Let It out has a good vibe and a great bass line, Who Feels Love is a strong song with great production, PYMWYMI and ICSAL serve as decent total bullshit lyric rockers, SMC is a plodding balad that goes nowhere, and Little James is almost hard to dislike if only for it's oblivious and innocent nature. Yeah, this album is great, it'll be my afternoon album tommorrow. Its my favourite Oasis album. The good tunes outweigh the not so good ones IMO. If they replaced two or three songs with the b-sides, it would be even better and not receive as much hate and criticism. And i personally wouldn't replace Little James btw. 1. "Fuckin' in the Bushes" 2. "Go Let It Out" 3. "Who Feels Love?" 4. "Let's All Make Believe" 5. "Little James" 6. "Gas Panic!" 7. "Where Did It All Go Wrong?" 8. "Carry Us All" 9. "I Can See a Liar" 10. "Roll It Over"
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Post by Zingbot on Feb 26, 2020 1:51:32 GMT -5
This album really is great. Noel's choruses were bigger than ever, with songs like Roll It Over and WDIAGW. Liams voice was in top form, 1999 was the ideal year for them to record given that Liams in concert vocals were at an all time high. Where did it all go wrong is Noels best vocal take mixed in with some of his best lyrics, Gas Panic has more depth than most of their catalogue, Roll It Over has amazing vocals and a gigantic chorus, Go Let It out has a good vibe and a great bass line, Who Feels Love is a strong song with great production, PYMWYMI and ICSAL serve as decent total bullshit lyric rockers, SMC is a plodding balad that goes nowhere, and Little James is almost hard to dislike if only for it's oblivious and innocent nature. Yeah, this album is great, it'll be my afternoon album tommorrow. Its my favourite Oasis album. The good tunes outweigh the not so good ones IMO. If they replaced two or three songs with the b-sides, it would be even better and not receive as much hate and criticism. And i personally wouldn't replace Little James btw. 1. "Fuckin' in the Bushes" 2. "Go Let It Out" 3. "Who Feels Love?" 4. "Let's All Make Believe" 5. "Little James" 6. "Gas Panic!" 7. "Where Did It All Go Wrong?" 8. "Carry Us All" 9. "I Can See a Liar" 10. "Roll It Over" Not putting Carry us all on that album was a really stupid move by Noel. One of his best songs.
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Post by Jack on Feb 26, 2020 1:56:10 GMT -5
Its my favourite Oasis album. The good tunes outweigh the not so good ones IMO. If they replaced two or three songs with the b-sides, it would be even better and not receive as much hate and criticism. And i personally wouldn't replace Little James btw. 1. "Fuckin' in the Bushes" 2. "Go Let It Out" 3. "Who Feels Love?" 4. "Let's All Make Believe" 5. "Little James" 6. "Gas Panic!" 7. "Where Did It All Go Wrong?" 8. "Carry Us All" 9. "I Can See a Liar" 10. "Roll It Over" Not putting Carry us all on that album was a really stupid move by Noel. One of his best songs. Kinda strange how it didnt replace SMC, considering how much Noel hated that song.
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Post by Zingbot on Feb 26, 2020 2:03:03 GMT -5
Not putting Carry us all on that album was a really stupid move by Noel. One of his best songs. Kinda strange how it didnt replace SMC, considering how much Noel hated that song. Liam said that he was fine with not singing it because he thought it was "Noel's baby" and "meant a lot to him". Noel since professed his disdain for it. Kinda conflicting. Perhaps Noel liked it, but came off it. Anyways, Carry Us All is a much better song. I've listened to SMC many times and can only vaguely recall how it goes.
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Post by beentherenow on Feb 26, 2020 2:03:58 GMT -5
Noel loved SMC in the lead up to the SOTSOG release. There were quotes about it being his favourite on the album, he played it acoustically quite a few times and it obviously got picked as a single. However his opinion must have changed not long after the album was released because it got dropped from the set quite sharpish and has never returned. His Time Flies commentary says it all now
If it’s been said once on this forum it’s been said 1,000,000 time’s but LAMB is by far the biggest omission, not only from this album but from Oasis’ entire history. That song is awesome, fits the album perfectly both lyrically and sonically but was left off for PYMWYMI!!
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Post by Jack on Feb 26, 2020 2:16:45 GMT -5
Noel loved SMC in the lead up to the SOTSOG release. There were quotes about it being his favourite on the album, he played it acoustically quite a few times and it obviously got picked as a single. However his opinion must have changed not long after the album was released because it got dropped from the set quite sharpish and has never returned. His Time Flies commentary says it all now If it’s been said once on this forum it’s been said 1,000,000 time’s but LAMB is by far the biggest omission, not only from this album but from Oasis’ entire history. That song is awesome, fits the album perfectly both lyrically and sonically but was left off for PYMWYMI!! SOTSOG contains some of Oasis' best material ever. Gas Panic, LAMB, RIO...10/10
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Post by AppleScruff on Feb 26, 2020 10:09:53 GMT -5
Noel loved SMC in the lead up to the SOTSOG release. There were quotes about it being his favourite on the album, he played it acoustically quite a few times and it obviously got picked as a single. However his opinion must have changed not long after the album was released because it got dropped from the set quite sharpish and has never returned. His Time Flies commentary says it all now If it’s been said once on this forum it’s been said 1,000,000 time’s but LAMB is by far the biggest omission, not only from this album but from Oasis’ entire history. That song is awesome, fits the album perfectly both lyrically and sonically but was left off for PYMWYMI!! Yeah if you think about this as a hangover album, it could’ve started with LAMB and it’s cynicism and ended with Carry Us All on a more upbeat and hopeful note. Not sure where that would leave FITB but it could maybe kick off the “side B”.
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 26, 2020 13:09:05 GMT -5
On SOTSOG I like how the lyrics says a lot about Noel's feelings at the time, it's totally a hungover album full of regrets and sorrow: Gas Panic!, WFL?, Roll it Over, LAMB, WDIAGW?, Carry US All and even It's a Crime, all more personal.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 26, 2020 13:26:53 GMT -5
Noel loved SMC in the lead up to the SOTSOG release. There were quotes about it being his favourite on the album, he played it acoustically quite a few times and it obviously got picked as a single. However his opinion must have changed not long after the album was released because it got dropped from the set quite sharpish and has never returned. His Time Flies commentary says it all now If it’s been said once on this forum it’s been said 1,000,000 time’s but LAMB is by far the biggest omission, not only from this album but from Oasis’ entire history. That song is awesome, fits the album perfectly both lyrically and sonically but was left off for PYMWYMI!! SMC is just way too long. It’s mid tempo and doesn’t really go anywhere. It’s got some cool sounds going on but not enough of them to justify the track length. I remembering read an early review of SOTSOG from late 1999. It said that SMC was going to be a “Christmas #1” the following year. Swing and a miss!!!!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 26, 2020 13:28:47 GMT -5
According to rating data (~55 ballots) of Noel penned songs from this period... the average is 6.8 per song. SOTSOG Era Noel Tunes (16)8.91 8.40 8.30 8.07 7.64 7.63 6.78 6.63 6.33 6.19 6.17 6.12 6.10 6.02 4.75 4.69 6.80
| Gas Panic! Let's All Make Believe Go Let It Out Roll It Over Where Did It All Go Wrong? Fuckin' in the Bushes Who Feels Love? Stop the Clocks One Way Road (As Long as They've Got) Cigarettes in Hell Just Getting Older Carry Us All Revolution Song Sunday Morning Call I Can See a Liar Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is AVERAGE
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I could have missed something else from this period. Either way... this shows a bit of how fans feel about this eras song quality. Carry on. Here's a full list of SOTSOG era tunes (22 out of 23 released). Noel Written- (As Long as They've Got) Cigarettes in Hell - Carry Us All - Force Of Nature* - Fuckin’ In The Bushes - Full On - Gas Panic! - Go Let It Out - I Can See A Liar - Let’s All Make Believe - One Way Road - Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is - Roll It Over - Sunday Morning Call - Teotihuacan* - Where Did It All Go Wrong? - Who Feels Love? Unused: - For One So Young [Unreleased] - Idler’s Dream - Just Getting Older - Let There Be Love - Little By Little - Revolution Song Liam Written- Little James *Soundtrack releaseI’m not sure why but so many people keep lumping Teotihuacan in with SOTSOG. This song was recorded in 1997. During the heart of the Be Here Now era. It was even released during the tail end of that tour. It’s more of that era than SOTSOG which was still two full years away.
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Post by Marissa on Feb 26, 2020 15:16:44 GMT -5
this album is where i really fell in love with this band. still my favorite to this day.
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Post by ossieoss30 on Feb 26, 2020 15:26:34 GMT -5
I personally love Sunday Morning Call. Feels like a good old hangover song.
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Post by Zingbot on Feb 26, 2020 16:37:39 GMT -5
Just gave it another listen. Here are my take aways:
Sunday Morning Call is kinda mediocre, but it has it's place and gets way too much shit.
I Can See A Liar is a much better song than Put yer money where yer mouth is. I can understand why it was Liams favorite.
WDIAGW, Gas Panic, SMC, and RIO help give the album quite a gloomy mood.
Overall, it's a good album that has its place in their catalogue.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 26, 2020 18:52:34 GMT -5
Here's a full list of SOTSOG era tunes (22 out of 23 released). Noel Written- (As Long as They've Got) Cigarettes in Hell - Carry Us All - Force Of Nature* - Fuckin’ In The Bushes - Full On - Gas Panic! - Go Let It Out - I Can See A Liar - Let’s All Make Believe - One Way Road - Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is - Roll It Over - Sunday Morning Call - Teotihuacan* - Where Did It All Go Wrong? - Who Feels Love? Unused: - For One So Young [Unreleased] - Idler’s Dream - Just Getting Older - Let There Be Love - Little By Little - Revolution Song Liam Written- Little James *Soundtrack releaseI’m not sure why but so many people keep lumping Teotihuacan in with SOTSOG. This song was recorded in 1997. During the heart of the Be Here Now era. It was even released during the tail end of that tour. It’s more of that era than SOTSOG which was still two full years away. This is a good point to make and something I have indeed considered at more length than you may realise. The correct answer is there is no way to satisfactorily categories every single song the band has ever written. 'Teotihuacan' is one of many outliers whose placement isn't necessarily obvious but here's why I believe it should be very definitely classified in that list: It was written after the 'Be Here Now' recording sessions, it didn't feature on any of the singles and not only was it released after the final 'Be Here Now' single had been released (12th Jan 98 for 'AATW' or 19th Feb 98 for 'DGA' in Japan) but after the 'Be Here Now' tour had finished too. It's not known precisely when the track was written but seeing as Noel visited Teotihuacan in March 98 during the final two gigs of the Be Here Now tour it can be somewhat assumed it was written after that and then recorded in Air Studios, London between late March and May 98 ready to be released on June 2nd of that year. It also featured on a 98 demo tape with a bunch of songs I don't think anyone would say weren't part of the 'SOTSOG' era... Also it's sonically very obviously in one camp and not the other. Noel had stated a number of times he wanted to move on from the 'classic' Oasis sound after 'Be Here Now'. As far as I'm aware the 'Be Here Now' era argument basically amounts to the release date of 'Teotihuacan' (2nd Jun 98) being closer to the release date of 'Be Here Now' (21st Aug 97) than that of 'SOTSOG' (28th Feb 00) which in my opinion is overly simplistic.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 26, 2020 19:57:30 GMT -5
I’m not sure why but so many people keep lumping Teotihuacan in with SOTSOG. This song was recorded in 1997. During the heart of the Be Here Now era. It was even released during the tail end of that tour. It’s more of that era than SOTSOG which was still two full years away. This is a good point to make and something I have indeed considered at more length than you may realise. The correct answer is there is no way to satisfactorily categories every single song the band has ever written. 'Teotihuacan' is one of many outliers whose placement isn't necessarily obvious but here's why I believe it should be very definitely classified in that list: It was written after the 'Be Here Now' recording sessions, it didn't feature on any of the singles and not only was it released after the final 'Be Here Now' single had been released (12th Jan 98 for 'AATW' or 19th Feb 98 for 'DGA' in Japan) but after the 'Be Here Now' tour had finished too. It's not known precisely when the track was written but seeing as Noel visited Teotihuacan in March 98 during the final two gigs of the Be Here Now tour it can be somewhat assumed it was written after that and then recorded in Air Studios, London between late March and May 98 ready to be released on June 2nd of that year. It also featured on a 98 demo tape with a bunch of songs I don't think anyone would say weren't part of the 'SOTSOG' era... Also it's sonically very obviously in one camp and not the other. Noel had stated a number of times he wanted to move on from the 'classic' Oasis sound after 'Be Here Now'. As far as I'm aware the 'Be Here Now' era argument basically amounts to the release date of 'Teotihuacan' (2nd Jun 98) being closer to the release date of 'Be Here Now' (21st Aug 97) than that of 'SOTSOG' (28th Feb 00) which in my opinion is overly simplistic. All solid points. In my memory I thought the movie came out that March as opposed to June. I still feel like it’s not part of either camp (BHN or SOTSOG). It was a fully formed and released track years before SOTSOG hit the shelves or was recorded. It was even the most praised track from that soundtrack. It’s bizarre Noel was even considering it for SOTSOG. Maybe that tape (which we need to track down and purchase as a forum) was just Noel and his people throwing all his 1998 demos on a single cassette to keep track of easier. Who knows.
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Post by World71R on Feb 26, 2020 22:37:47 GMT -5
A few things:
Everyone's talking about how much of a travesty it was for LAMB to be omitted from SOTSOG but what's even more of a travesty is we never got a version of Full On with Liam on vocals. Had that version existed and been relegated in the same way LAMB had, it would be considered one of the great omissions alongside LAMB.
Anyways, I think even adding LAMB would've improved the album tenfold. PYMWYMI is an okay song but it would've been the ultimate build-up to LAMB. PYMWYMI has swagger and confidence but also an underlying pissiness that something is wrong. That song spilling into LAMB, then Gas Panic!, then Where Did it All Go Wrong?, Sunday Morning Call, and lastly Roll it Over would've all made sense, and it's a damn shame we didn't get that.
(For those wondering where I'd put I Can See a Liar... either before Go Let it Out or after Who Feels Love?)
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 26, 2020 23:23:22 GMT -5
A few things: Everyone's talking about how much of a travesty it was for LAMB to be omitted from SOTSOG but what's even more of a travesty is we never got a version of Full On with Liam on vocals. Had that version existed and been relegated in the same way LAMB had, it would be considered one of the great omissions alongside LAMB. Anyways, I think even adding LAMB would've improved the album tenfold. PYMWYMI is an okay song but it would've been the ultimate build-up to LAMB. PYMWYMI has swagger and confidence but also an underlying pissiness that something is wrong. That song spilling into LAMB, then Gas Panic!, then Where Did it All Go Wrong?, Sunday Morning Call, and lastly Roll it Over would've all made sense, and it's a damn shame we didn't get that. (For those wondering where I'd put I Can See a Liar... either before Go Let it Out or after Who Feels Love?) I’d dump Liar. Never a fan of Liam’s vocals on it.
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 26, 2020 23:26:43 GMT -5
I have to say I really like PYMWYMI, it's rawer but also totally fits the album sonically, unlike I Can See a Liar which doesn't suit well the album's aesthetics, PYMWYMI feature some cool effects, it's musically interesting at least and that insistent keyboard note just stuck in your brain, on the downside the lyrics are very lazy.
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Post by World71R on Feb 27, 2020 0:06:54 GMT -5
A few things: Everyone's talking about how much of a travesty it was for LAMB to be omitted from SOTSOG but what's even more of a travesty is we never got a version of Full On with Liam on vocals. Had that version existed and been relegated in the same way LAMB had, it would be considered one of the great omissions alongside LAMB. Anyways, I think even adding LAMB would've improved the album tenfold. PYMWYMI is an okay song but it would've been the ultimate build-up to LAMB. PYMWYMI has swagger and confidence but also an underlying pissiness that something is wrong. That song spilling into LAMB, then Gas Panic!, then Where Did it All Go Wrong?, Sunday Morning Call, and lastly Roll it Over would've all made sense, and it's a damn shame we didn't get that. (For those wondering where I'd put I Can See a Liar... either before Go Let it Out or after Who Feels Love?) I’d dump Liar. Never a fan of Liam’s vocals on it. The reverb/delay on it kills Liam's vocals. Get rid of that and have it be just raw Liam vocals, and it goes to being the raw punk rock song it should be. The live version proves it:
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Post by World71R on Feb 27, 2020 0:12:33 GMT -5
Also, hot take, but Little James isn't as bad of a song as people make it out to be. Get rid of the "Na na na"s at the end and leave it up to just the guitar solo, and it closes out a song that does what only a couple other songs on the album does: fulfills the electronic gospel classic rock feel and sound Noel explained he was going for with SOTSOG.
The "na na na"s at the end take away from the feel a lot and just make it a Beatles/Hey Jude pastiche in an instant. Before that, it's a nice ballad with some cool things going on in it. If only Born on a Different Cloud had been around for SOTSOG because I think that would've sounded something in between the good parts about Little James and what Gas Panic! sounded like.
Also, this album and DOYS are prime for the "Oasis never experimented/tried anything different" crowd to prove them wrong.
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Post by Jack on Feb 27, 2020 1:36:48 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed that the sound quality of PYMWYMI is worse than the rest of the album?
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Post by beentherenow on Feb 27, 2020 1:54:31 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed that the sound quality of PYMWYMI is worse than the rest of the album? 100%, it really sounds like a demo compared with the rest of the album. Whilst I don’t hate it as much as some, its inclusion is quite bizarre for loads of reasons
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