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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 8:34:19 GMT -5
Ive decided im finally gonna producer hat on and try and make a decent Teotihuacan remix as a Giants interlude on protools using Teotihuacan and Keep what ya got. Give me a week folks It will be Amazeballls Interweaving Teotihuacan between say 8 quality tracks from the period would make for a stellar album, imo. Very atmospheric and dark for an Oasis record, but sounds like a boss idea. I haven't the time to make this a reality though. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 13, 2018 8:54:57 GMT -5
I’ve written to great lengths on here at various times that I completely disagree that the songs weren’t there during this time and I actually believe 98/99 was Noel’s most proflific since 1994. The songs in one form or another were there, they weren’t singles, but they were a very strong collection. Fuckin in the Bushes Go Let It Out Who Feels Love? PYMWYMI Gas Panic! WDIAGW? SMC ICSAL Roll It Over Let’s All Make Believe As Long As They’ve Got (Cigarettes in Hell) One Way Road Full On Carry us All It’s A Crime Just Getting Older Little By Little Idlers Dream If people don’t think there’s a classic, albeit dark, album in that lot then they have a very different music taste to me Also I’ve always included Teothican on my alternative sotsog tracklisting. I understand it was released 2 years earlier but not on an Oasis release and bands do this all time. Lucky was on an NME album 2 years before OK Computer for example That is true about Lucky (Help charity album) but the difference is one is a heavy hitter of the bands discography and the other is an instrumental for X-Files movie. Lucky was the sound the band wanted moving forward and directly served at the blue print to follow for Ok Computer. Teo is nowhere in that league or a full fledge path to walk. It’s ok, nothing special. They should have focused more on the infusion of songs like Fucking In The Bushes, Go Let It Out and Gas Panic. To me that is the trio of sounds Oasis should have done more to achieve on that record. |
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Post by World71R on Dec 14, 2018 1:51:33 GMT -5
That is true about Lucky (Help charity album) but the difference is one is a heavy hitter of the bands discography and the other is an instrumental for X-Files movie. Lucky was the sound the band wanted moving forward and directly served at the blue print to follow for Ok Computer. Teo is nowhere in that league or a full fledge path to walk. It’s ok, nothing special. They should have focused more on the infusion of songs like Fucking In The Bushes, Go Let It Out and Gas Panic. To me that is the trio of sounds Oasis should have done more to achieve on that record.
That makes me think of Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is. I think that song could've been a standout with a different vocal melody & treatment and a re-write of the lyrics to not make it so repetitive and lazy, especially given how similar it is to Roadhouse Blues by The Doors. There's some cool stuff going on in that track, like the droning apocalyptic background and the almost buzzsaw-like guitars. It's a badass song but it's completely squandered. Where Did it All Go Wrong? would've also worked better with a different approach, something more similar to the demo to bring it in line with the three you mentioned. |
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Post by World71R on Dec 14, 2018 2:21:42 GMT -5
Fuckin in the Bushes Go Let It Out Who Feels Love? PYMWYMI Gas Panic! WDIAGW? SMC ICSAL Roll It Over Let’s All Make Believe As Long As They’ve Got (Cigarettes in Hell) One Way Road Full On Carry us All It’s A Crime Just Getting Older Little By Little Idlers Dream Using this list, without considering who sung what, I'd have SOTSOG as: Fuckin' in the Bushes Go Let it Out (Single #1) Who Feels Love? Full On (Single #3) Let's All Make Believe Gas Panic! Where Did it All Go Wrong? (demo version) One Way Road Little by Little (Single #2) Roll it Over (Hidden track: Idler's Dream) Honestly a pretty good album. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Dec 14, 2018 5:35:43 GMT -5
I’ve written to great lengths on here at various times that I completely disagree that the songs weren’t there during this time and I actually believe 98/99 was Noel’s most proflific since 1994. The songs in one form or another were there, they weren’t singles, but they were a very strong collection. Fuckin in the Bushes Go Let It Out Who Feels Love? PYMWYMI Gas Panic! WDIAGW? SMC ICSAL Roll It Over Let’s All Make Believe As Long As They’ve Got (Cigarettes in Hell) One Way Road Full On Carry us All It’s A Crime Just Getting Older Little By Little Idlers Dream If people don’t think there’s a classic, albeit dark, album in that lot then they have a very different music taste to me Also I’ve always included Teothican on my alternative sotsog tracklisting. I understand it was released 2 years earlier but not on an Oasis release and bands do this all time. Lucky was on an NME album 2 years before OK Computer for example Also: - Little James - Force of Nature - Revolution Song - For One So Young [Unreleased] I include Teotihuacan too. |
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Post by crisppacket on Dec 14, 2018 11:04:00 GMT -5
Great album, just wish they took full advantage of how peak Liam’s voice was and put more songs on it innit
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 14, 2018 11:24:52 GMT -5
Great album, just wish they took full advantage of how peak Liam’s voice was and put more songs on it innit I don't believe this is peak Liam anymore. 1994-1995 was the peak. He's so gruff on certain songs on SOTSOG. And gruff is a word I would never associate with Liam prior. Not saying his voice was bad, nowhere near, but a change was noticable and it was the beginning of the decline. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 11:34:37 GMT -5
He's incredible on Be Here Now too.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 14, 2018 12:12:06 GMT -5
Ive decided im finally gonna producer hat on and try and make a decent Teotihuacan remix as a Giants interlude on protools using Teotihuacan and Keep what ya got. Give me a week folks It will be Amazeballls Interweaving Teotihuacan between say 8 quality tracks from the period would make for a stellar album, imo. Very atmospheric and dark for an Oasis record, but sounds like a boss idea. I haven't the time to make this a reality though. I still maintain the belief that Teotihuacan should have been the album opener, replacing Fucking In the Bushes. Teotihuacan sets the mood for the album much better - not to mention that it's also the better instrumental of the two as well. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 14, 2018 13:17:23 GMT -5
Interweaving Teotihuacan between say 8 quality tracks from the period would make for a stellar album, imo. Very atmospheric and dark for an Oasis record, but sounds like a boss idea. I haven't the time to make this a reality though. I still maintain the belief that Teotihuacan should have been the album opener, replacing Fucking In the Bushes. Teotihuacan sets the mood for the album much better - not to mention that it's also the better instrumental of the two as well. No no no and no. You are getting way off the mark and removing yourself from how all this played out in real time. Teo came out on the backend of the Be Here Now tour. It’s sorts linked to that period. Then there was an extended Oasis break of Noel talking up a new phase and sound for the band. I wouldn’t want Teo leading off the brand new sounding Oasis with a song over 2 years old. Fucking In The Bushesis exactly the sound and mood I wanted. That shit was exciting and crackling. |
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Post by matt on Dec 14, 2018 20:03:14 GMT -5
I still maintain the belief that Teotihuacan should have been the album opener, replacing Fucking In the Bushes. Teotihuacan sets the mood for the album much better - not to mention that it's also the better instrumental of the two as well. No no no and no. You are getting way off the mark and removing yourself from how all this played out in real time. Teo came out on the backend of the Be Here Now tour. It’s sorts linked to that period. Then there was an extended Oasis break of Noel talking up a new phase and sound for the band. I wouldn’t want Teo leading off the brand new sounding Oasis with a song over 2 years old. Fucking In The Bushesis exactly the sound and mood I wanted. That shit was exciting and crackling. It sort of just compounds the disappointment even further with Giants. Teo sounded like a precursor to a new adventurous era, and to hear Fuckin In The Bushes would have heightened those expectations what with Noel playing about with samples and loops. By time you get to the George Harrison rip off dirge Who Feels Love, the hearts must have plummeted for those expecting something different. |
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Post by World71R on Dec 14, 2018 21:20:19 GMT -5
No no no and no. You are getting way off the mark and removing yourself from how all this played out in real time. Teo came out on the backend of the Be Here Now tour. It’s sorts linked to that period. Then there was an extended Oasis break of Noel talking up a new phase and sound for the band. I wouldn’t want Teo leading off the brand new sounding Oasis with a song over 2 years old. Fucking In The Bushesis exactly the sound and mood I wanted. That shit was exciting and crackling. It sort of just compounds the disappointment even further with Giants. Teo sounded like a precursor to a new adventurous era, and to hear Fuckin In The Bushes would have heightened those expectations what with Noel playing about with samples and loops. By time you get to the George Harrison rip off dirge Who Feels Love, the hearts must have plummeted for those expecting something different. I think that's a bit harsh for Who Feels Love?. There's some interesting things going on, such as the heavily processed guitars on WFL? and electronic effects and synthesizers going, as well as the percussion. The lyrics and delivery are both a bit kitschy, but it's otherwise a pretty good tune and something different as well. Now (Probably) All in the Mind, there's your George Harrison rip-off dirge. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 14, 2018 21:55:39 GMT -5
No no no and no. You are getting way off the mark and removing yourself from how all this played out in real time. Teo came out on the backend of the Be Here Now tour. It’s sorts linked to that period. Then there was an extended Oasis break of Noel talking up a new phase and sound for the band. I wouldn’t want Teo leading off the brand new sounding Oasis with a song over 2 years old. Fucking In The Bushesis exactly the sound and mood I wanted. That shit was exciting and crackling. It sort of just compounds the disappointment even further with Giants. Teo sounded like a precursor to a new adventurous era, and to hear Fuckin In The Bushes would have heightened those expectations what with Noel playing about with samples and loops. By time you get to the George Harrison rip off dirge Who Feels Love, the hearts must have plummeted for those expecting something different. I’m totally fine with WFL, SOTSOG needed to ditch PYMWYMI, ICSAL and Little James (maybe a b-side). I wish SMC was Liam sung and shorter. Too long as is. |
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Post by World71R on Dec 14, 2018 23:43:13 GMT -5
It sort of just compounds the disappointment even further with Giants. Teo sounded like a precursor to a new adventurous era, and to hear Fuckin In The Bushes would have heightened those expectations what with Noel playing about with samples and loops. By time you get to the George Harrison rip off dirge Who Feels Love, the hearts must have plummeted for those expecting something different. I’m totally fine with WFL, SOTSOG needed to ditch PYMWYMI, ICSAL and Little James (maybe a b-side). I wish SMC was Liam sung and shorter. Too long as is. I agree. SMC just sounds a bit too soft with Noel singing and the treatment of his vocals. Liam would've done to SMC what he did for Rockin' Chair. Of course Rockin' Chair is a better song than SMC, but Liam would've given that little bit of grit the song needed to contrast the soft production. Now with PYMWYMI and ICSAL, I disagree to some extent. PYMWYMI has an interesting electronic-tinged rock sound that would've been better with a different vocal melody and lyrics. As it is, it feels too much like a rip-off of Roadhouse Blues and Full On would've been better in its place, but PYMWYMI and ICSAL would've been fine B-sides. Let's All Make Believe and One Way Road, or even Revolution Song, and Full On too, would've been good replacements. |
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Post by Headmaster on Dec 15, 2018 10:34:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't call WFL? a Harrison rip off, of course there is that George indian sounds influences, but WFL? sounds much more modern, it's Oasis with some indian music influences plus a modern key production, it's not everyone cup of tea and maybe you need to be on the mood to appreciate it, but it's refreshing to hear an Oasis ballad that isn't your typical Oasis ballad.
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Post by matt on Dec 15, 2018 11:37:47 GMT -5
It sort of just compounds the disappointment even further with Giants. Teo sounded like a precursor to a new adventurous era, and to hear Fuckin In The Bushes would have heightened those expectations what with Noel playing about with samples and loops. By time you get to the George Harrison rip off dirge Who Feels Love, the hearts must have plummeted for those expecting something different. I think that's a bit harsh for Who Feels Love?. There's some interesting things going on, such as the heavily processed guitars on WFL? and electronic effects and synthesizers going, as well as the percussion. The lyrics and delivery are both a bit kitschy, but it's otherwise a pretty good tune and something different as well. Now (Probably) All in the Mind, there's your George Harrison rip-off dirge. I’ve never been a fan of the song. I agree there are interesting sounds on there but it doesn’t obscure the hugely derivative aspect of the song and with its languorous melody and raga style rhythm, it’s too obviously directly influenced by George’s experimentation with Indian classical and world music. Fine, it’s attempting to be other worldly and is not the boring middle aged pub rock bollocks they’d master on later albums, but the influences are so contrived to make the song so inauthentic and insincere. I could see the point if Noel, like George, immersed himself in Hindu culture and formed a spiritual quest, but the closest he probably got to Indian culture at that time was the vindaloo curry he’d had the night before he wrote the song. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 15, 2018 14:23:24 GMT -5
Is it just me who thinks Teotihuacan sounds exactly like Ian Brown’s Keep What Ya Got?
I know Noel wrote the music to Keep What Ya Got but I never made the connection to Teotihuacan until just now.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 15, 2018 14:25:32 GMT -5
Is it just me who thinks Teotihuacan sounds exactly like Ian Brown’s Keep What Ya Got? I know Noel wrote the music to Keep What Ya Got but I never made the connection to Teotihuacan until just now. That comparison started immediately when it was released back in 2004. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 15, 2018 14:35:53 GMT -5
Because I haven't done one of these for SOTSOG in awhile, why the fuck not.
Album Title: Teotihuacan
Teotihuacan
Go Let It Out
Who Feels Love
Full On (Liam Vox)
Let's All Make Believe
Carry Us All
Gas Panic
Where Did It All Go Wrong?
Sunday Morning Call (Liam Vox)
Revolution Song
Roll It Over
That may be one song too many for Noel sung songs, but I think all three of Carry Us All, Where Did It All Go Wrong, and Revolution Song deserve to be on the album. And in any case, that above tracklisting is so much better than what we ended up with regardless. Again, the songs were there - they always are with Oasis.
*Teotihuacan means 'The place where the gods were created', which is quite fitting.
That, to me at least, would have been an incredible album, even beating out BHN as Oasis' third best album.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 15, 2018 14:55:06 GMT -5
The only thing that would have take SOTSOG to the next level is even more time off. Noel was lacking that one or two extra special song. It just didn’t exist in 1999/2000 and no matter how hard we swap, add, remove and switch the tracklist around it still has that problem. He knew it too saying the album didn’t really have any singles and was a downer. Do you know what that is like hearing that back in winter 1999 from Oasis? No singles? Downer? This was a party bus.
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Post by crisppacket on Dec 19, 2018 16:27:37 GMT -5
Great album, just wish they took full advantage of how peak Liam’s voice was and put more songs on it innit I don't believe this is peak Liam anymore. 1994-1995 was the peak. He's so gruff on certain songs on SOTSOG. And gruff is a word I would never associate with Liam prior. Not saying his voice was bad, nowhere near, but a change was noticable and it was the beginning of the decline. That’s what I like about it though, 94-96 was obvs amazing but 97-2001ish had an edge which was just delicious |
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Post by World71R on Dec 19, 2018 16:59:32 GMT -5
The only thing that would have take SOTSOG to the next level is even more time off. Noel was lacking that one or two extra special song. It just didn’t exist in 1999/2000 and no matter how hard we swap, add, remove and switch the tracklist around it still has that problem. He knew it too saying the album didn’t really have any singles and was a downer. Do you know what that is like hearing that back in winter 1999 from Oasis? No singles? Downer? This was a party bus. I agree. Noel needed a year off from music altogether to live life and sort himself while writing some tunes here and there, then get back into music, find two proper replacements, and then go into the studio with new songs, new members, a different producer, and a focused approach. Plus Liam would've had some time off of his voice and been on top form. All of this might've given the band more longevity and a new lease on life. I could imagine an album of Fuckin' in the Bushes, The Hindu Times (closer to the demo version), Go Let it Out, Who Feels Love?, Full On, Let's All Make Believe, Little by Little, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Gas Panic!, Where Did it All Go Wrong?, One Way Road, and Roll it Over, with some solid B-sides consisting of some of the songs not mentioned here, being a great return to form, especially with the ideals I mentioned. A more-SOTSOG-ified version of SCYHO would've made for an awesome lead single too. |
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Post by Aman on Dec 21, 2018 10:03:11 GMT -5
The only thing that would have take SOTSOG to the next level is even more time off. Noel was lacking that one or two extra special song. It just didn’t exist in 1999/2000 and no matter how hard we swap, add, remove and switch the tracklist around it still has that problem. He knew it too saying the album didn’t really have any singles and was a downer. Do you know what that is like hearing that back in winter 1999 from Oasis? No singles? Downer? This was a party bus. Exactly. No chopping or changing of the tracks around this period of time makes it a great album. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 10:43:16 GMT -5
According to rating data (~55 ballots) of Noel penned songs from this period... the average is 6.8 per song. SOTSOG Era Noel Tunes (16)8.91
8.40
8.30
8.07
7.64
7.63
6.78
6.63
6.33
6.19
6.17
6.12
6.10
6.02
4.75
4.69
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Let's All Make Believe
Go Let It Out
Roll It Over
Where Did It All Go Wrong?
Fuckin' in the Bushes
Who Feels Love?
Stop the Clocks
One Way Road
(As Long as They've Got) Cigarettes in Hell
Just Getting Older
Carry Us All
Revolution Song
Sunday Morning Call
I Can See a Liar
Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is
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I could have missed something else from this period. Either way... this shows a bit of how fans feel about this eras song quality. Carry on. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 21, 2018 10:50:07 GMT -5
According to rating data (~55 ballots) of Noel penned songs from this period... the average is 6.8 per song. SOTSOG Era Noel Tunes (16)8.91
8.40
8.30
8.07
7.64
7.63
6.78
6.63
6.33
6.19
6.17
6.12
6.10
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4.69
6.80
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Let's All Make Believe
Go Let It Out
Roll It Over
Where Did It All Go Wrong?
Fuckin' in the Bushes
Who Feels Love?
Stop the Clocks
One Way Road
(As Long as They've Got) Cigarettes in Hell
Just Getting Older
Carry Us All
Revolution Song
Sunday Morning Call
I Can See a Liar
Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is
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I could have missed something else from this period. Either way... this shows a bit of how fans feel about this eras song quality. Carry on. Just imagine how those scores would be outside this forum if they are already that low. |
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