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Post by Aman on Dec 11, 2018 13:43:35 GMT -5
I like Little James. Don't get the hate for it. I love Standing on the Shoulder of Giants. I would only change Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is for Full On, and I wish Noel rewrote the chorus of I Can See a Liar. Liam vocals are his best ever. The vocals and the melody are good but the song comes across very nursery rhymey. The verses are like a lullaby, the way it flows. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 11, 2018 14:11:04 GMT -5
The vocals and the melody are good but the song comes across very nursery rhymey.The verses are like a lullaby, the way it flows. Perhaps deliberately at least in part from the songwriter- I suspect The-Ghost-Dancer will know what Liam means  |
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Dec 11, 2018 14:20:28 GMT -5
The vocals and the melody are good but the song comes across very nursery rhymey.The verses are like a lullaby, the way it flows. Perhaps deliberately at least in part from the songwriter- I suspect The-Ghost-Dancer will know what Liam means yeah some of the lyrics are a bit shit but personally i dont give a fuck all in all its a nice little song, not sure ive discovered the true meaning of life or ever will though |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 11, 2018 14:26:25 GMT -5
Perhaps deliberately at least in part from the songwriter- I suspect The-Ghost-Dancer will know what Liam means yeah some of the lyrics are a bit shit but personally i dont give a fuck all in all its a nice little song, not sure ive discovered the true meaning of life or ever will though I don't suspect any of us truly will mate, I was more referring to the 'family first' type vibe I got from Liam's reply to the question |
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Dec 11, 2018 14:34:30 GMT -5
yeah some of the lyrics are a bit shit but personally i dont give a fuck all in all its a nice little song, not sure ive discovered the true meaning of life or ever will though I don't suspect any of us truly will mate, I was more referring to the 'family first' type vibe I got from Liam's reply to the question yeah i agree mate i know i got 3 sons aged 15 ,14 and 5 and all three are the most important things in my life and have been since the day they were all born |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 11, 2018 14:50:20 GMT -5
The vocals and the melody are good but the song comes across very nursery rhymey.The verses are like a lullaby, the way it flows. Perhaps deliberately at least in part from the songwriter- I suspect The-Ghost-Dancer will know what Liam means Hahaha! Liam coming out swinging, accusing detractors of his song (before they’ve even had chance to say anything about it) of not knowing what the meaning of life is, and having no soul. You’ve gotta love that rockstar’s sense of self-belief. He actually makes a good point. Just the way he dressed it up made me laugh. |
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Post by matt on Dec 11, 2018 18:30:56 GMT -5
Fuckin In The Bushes is brilliant, Gas Panic is great and Roll It Over and Where Did It All Go Wrong are nice too.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves here, at best it's merely an okay album. While it is structurally rigid in its experimentation as previous Oasis albums (only Fuckin In The Bushes is something 'different' - everything else is straightforward mid tempo songs), I appreciate it tries to do something a bit more interesting sonically (nice little psychedelic tricks here and there) but in the end, it never amounted to anything for a band hellbent on staying as dull as dishwater after the 1990s. This album desperately needed a few more belters on there - Stop Crying Your Heart Out would have fitted the mellow vibe that should have dictated the entire album, but when your second and third singles are the unbelievably drab Who Feels Love and Sunday Morning Call, then the album has severe problems.
'Meh' is how history will sum up Oasis after the 90s - lather, rinse, repeat with every single god damn album after the 1990s. There will be no revisionism of anything - that's never going to happen and nor does it deserve to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 19:17:55 GMT -5
This thread made me listen to SOTSOG today. First time in months. It was a nice listen. Go Let It Out, Gas Panic! and Fuckin' In The Bushes are the highlights of the album. Go Let It Out is the only one that I would put in my Oasis top 30, probably my favourite noughties Oasis track. Don't get me wrong, I love Gas Panic! but I think it's overrated just a bit around here. One of their best 2000's songs, sure, but not one of the absolute best of their career. After that, I really like Where Did It All Go Wrong? . Just after listening to the album, I had to listen to Jools Holland and demo versions of WDIAGW (and the b-sides). I prefer both over the album version. I'm mixed towards Who Feels Love?, Sunday Morning Call and Roll It Over. I don't like RIO chorus. The melody is a bit forced. Liam sings the shit out of the verses though. These three songs aren't bad, they have good elements but there's a part that fucks up. Little James, Put Yer Money... and I Can See A Liar are the worst songs on the album. Bad songs. I've read that Little James has a good melody, I have to disagree. Sing it a capella, it isn't really pretty to sing. Forced, and those lyrics... Maybe I'm wrong but iirc, he wrote it and Songbird almost at the same time, and there's a gulf between both. But I think actually the worst ones are PYMWYMI and ICSAL. Both have probably a nice seat in Noel worst 10 ever (with quite a few tracks of HC and his solo career  ). And we'll never repeat it enough: Let's All Make Believe should have been on the record (did Noel write something as beautiful since ?). SOTSOG isn't a bad album, it's probably the 4th best of any Gallagher related releases (not counting The Masterplan). Go Let It Out (and Let's All Make Believe) buries everything they made after. Gas Panic, Who Feels Love? and Where Did it All Go Wrong? are very good songs. At least it's an album that showed promise with some excellent tracks on it. And then two years later... |
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Post by Aman on Dec 12, 2018 3:53:21 GMT -5
Fuckin In The Bushes is brilliant, Gas Panic is great and Roll It Over and Where Did It All Go Wrong are nice too. But let's not get ahead of ourselves here, at best it's merely an okay album. While it is structurally rigid in its experimentation as previous Oasis albums (only Fuckin In The Bushes is something 'different' - everything else is straightforward mid tempo songs), I appreciate it tries to do something a bit more interesting sonically (nice little psychedelic tricks here and there) but in the end, it never amounted to anything for a band hellbent on staying as dull as dishwater after the 1990s. This album desperately needed a few more belters on there - Stop Crying Your Heart Out would have fitted the mellow vibe that should have dictated the entire album, but when your second and third singles are the unbelievably drab Who Feels Love and Sunday Morning Call, then the album has severe problems. 'Meh' is how history will sum up Oasis after the 90s - lather, rinse, repeat with every single god damn album after the 1990s. There will be no revisionism of anything - that's never going to happen and nor does it deserve to happen. It's a horrible set of singles definitely. (GLIO was good obvs) WFL and SMC would do nothing to the general public. |
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Post by jeffrey on Dec 12, 2018 12:37:21 GMT -5
I’m well aware it’s not their best, but it and DM are my two favorite Oasis albums; really dig the much-improved bass lines and overall psychedelic vibe of it. Additionally, Gas Panic is a personal top 3 from the lads.
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Post by Jack on Dec 12, 2018 13:44:02 GMT -5
My favourite Oasis album.
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Post by Longtime Servant of the Gun on Dec 12, 2018 14:33:42 GMT -5
Ahhhh nothing like the release of a could have should have thread.
Oasis could have created a melancholy masterpiece and also treated us to some killer B-Sides that were available and amazing but didnt fit the tone for the LP. Fuck holding em back Fuck Heathen Chemitstry. And yes im including a cover because it was the same era and it fits and its aweome! Deal with it.
1. Fuckin in the Bushes
2. Go let it out
3. Who Feels Love?
4. Lets all make believe
5. Idlers Dream [Demo was pre SOTSOG]
6. Carnation
7. Gas Panic
8. Teotihuacan [Exerpt - Maybe a 1:30 clip]
9. Where did it all go wrong?
10. Sunday Morning call [Liam Vocal]
11. Roll it Over
Singles:
1. Go let it out
2. Force of Nature [Liam Vocal]
3. Little by Little
1. Who Feels Love?
2. Put yer money where yer cock is
3. One Way Road
1. Gas Panic
2. Full On - Liam Vocal
3. Carry us All
1. Lets all make Believe
2. I can see a Liar
3. Revolution Song
1. Idlers Dream
2. Just Gettin Older
3. Little James
Liam did say on a documentry that sunday morning call was his favourite tune on the album and he SHOULD have sang it. No excuses for being him being drunk or being lazy here Noel. He wanted it. Idlers dream was written in 98, Fits the feel of the album and it is gorgeous. It spaces out those two Noel vocals on the album as well.
And Noel ffs wanted Force of nature (written 98) as a lead single at one point and his only excuse was its out of liams range... Change the key!!! Drop your guitar down a step, For christs sake.
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 12, 2018 14:47:31 GMT -5
1) Fuckin' in the Bushes
2) Go Let it Out
3) Who Feels Love?
4) Where Did it All Go Wrong?
5) Let's All Make Believe
6) Teotihuacan #1
7) Gas Panic!
8) Sunday Morning Call [Liam Vox]
9) Full On [Liam Vox]
10) Teotihuacan #2
11) Idler's Dream
12) Roll it Over
That would have been pretty cool, and they could have just done a Radiohead and dropped it without singles. It's not that kind of album anyway.
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Post by Longtime Servant of the Gun on Dec 12, 2018 17:09:25 GMT -5
1) Fuckin' in the Bushes 2) Go Let it Out 3) Who Feels Love? 4) Where Did it All Go Wrong? 5) Let's All Make Believe 6) Teotihuacan #1 7) Gas Panic! 8) Sunday Morning Call [Liam Vox] 9) Full On [Liam Vox] 10) Teotihuacan #2 11) Idler's Dream 12) Roll it Over That would have been pretty cool, and they could have just done a Radiohead and dropped it without singles. It's not that kind of album anyway. I often thought the same re: dropping the album out of thin air with no singles. Would have added to the mystery and it would have made a lot of headlines with the change in direction... Had it had the right songs. It would have also preempted Radioheads Kid A release strategy. If they REALLY wanted to be out there they could of gone full batshit mental and released a first single as 1. Fuckin in the Bushes 2. Teotihuacan 3. Trip Inside [Wierd Instrumental track from BHN reissue] |
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Post by Headmaster on Dec 12, 2018 20:51:02 GMT -5
I think The Smashing Pumpkins were the first artist to releasing an album for free on internet and without singles.
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Post by Aman on Dec 12, 2018 20:54:03 GMT -5
These alternate track listings improve things but it still doesn't disguise the fact the songs just weren't strong enough during this period imo.
It's just polishing over things.
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Post by Headmaster on Dec 12, 2018 22:14:47 GMT -5
The songs at the time were strong imo, just not hit single material over there and Noel messed up the tracklisting.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 12, 2018 23:43:52 GMT -5
I think The Smashing Pumpkins were the first artist to releasing an album for free on internet and without singles. That is sorta kinda true. Machine II was pressed to vinyl, 25 copies or something, given to close friends and fan sites. Who then did the deed of “leaking” it for all to experience which was what the band wanted. It got so little traction. I was surprised by that. The band broke up a month or two later. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 12, 2018 23:46:03 GMT -5
I never got the pairing of Teotihuacan with SOTSOG. It was released a full two years prior on the much hyped X-Files movie. To me it’s its own thing.
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Post by beentherenow on Dec 13, 2018 1:55:03 GMT -5
I’ve written to great lengths on here at various times that I completely disagree that the songs weren’t there during this time and I actually believe 98/99 was Noel’s most proflific since 1994.
The songs in one form or another were there, they weren’t singles, but they were a very strong collection.
Fuckin in the Bushes
Go Let It Out
Who Feels Love?
PYMWYMI
Gas Panic!
WDIAGW?
SMC
ICSAL
Roll It Over
Let’s All Make Believe
As Long As They’ve Got (Cigarettes in Hell)
One Way Road
Full On
Carry us All
It’s A Crime
Just Getting Older
Little By Little
Idlers Dream
If people don’t think there’s a classic, albeit dark, album in that lot then they have a very different music taste to me
Also I’ve always included Teothican on my alternative sotsog tracklisting. I understand it was released 2 years earlier but not on an Oasis release and bands do this all time. Lucky was on an NME album 2 years before OK Computer for example
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Post by Longtime Servant of the Gun on Dec 13, 2018 5:23:47 GMT -5
Ive decided im finally gonna producer hat on and try and make a decent Teotihuacan remix as a Giants interlude on protools using Teotihuacan and Keep what ya got.
Give me a week folks
It will be Amazeballls
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Post by welshylad on Dec 13, 2018 6:36:31 GMT -5
It's my 2nd favourite Oasis album.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 13, 2018 7:22:59 GMT -5
1. Fuckin in the Bushes
2. Go let it out
3. Who Feels Love?
4. Lets all make believe
5. Gas Panic
6. Little James
7. Where did it all go wrong?
8. One Way Road
9. Roll It Over
If the inspiration isn't there, don't bother. 9 is about the best I can do from this era.
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Post by Rolo on Dec 13, 2018 7:31:14 GMT -5
Is it true there was a Liam sung version of Sunday Morning Call? I'm sure I heard that somewhere.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 13, 2018 8:24:16 GMT -5
Is it true there was a Liam sung version of Sunday Morning Call? I'm sure I heard that somewhere. I hope there is. The Noel sung one is boring. |
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