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Post by powerage09 on Jan 31, 2021 17:29:40 GMT -5
Sonically this time period of late 1998 to late 2000 was fantastic. New sounds. New themes found in Noel’s lyrics. Turbulent time for the band however with the departure of two core members exiting. I'd add hangover as well from the intense 4 year period of 1994 - 1997. I could be wrong and this might be bordering on offensive to some fans but I'd suggest the departure of Bonehead and Guigs at that time pales into insignificance compared to the fact Oasis were no longer the most talked about band in the world, Be Here Now had not lived up to expectation and that the band would transition into the next phase of their career where they were now established which comes with a different set of rules and challenges. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 31, 2021 17:39:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with you there and I remember in an interview around the time when Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants Noel said himself how Oasis weren't fashionable anymore and that rock music wasn't either or something like that.
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Post by World71R on Jan 31, 2021 19:57:14 GMT -5
Sonically this time period of late 1998 to late 2000 was fantastic. New sounds. New themes found in Noel’s lyrics. Turbulent time for the band however with the departure of two core members exiting. I'd add hangover as well from the intense 4 year period of 1994 - 1997. I could be wrong and this might be bordering on offensive to some fans but I'd suggest the departure of Bonehead and Guigs at that time pales into insignificance compared to the fact Oasis were no longer the most talked about band in the world, Be Here Now had not lived up to expectation and that the band would transition into the next phase of their career where they were now established which comes with a different set of rules and challenges. I think the band was going to transition to something new no matter how Be Here Now ended up being. I recall an interview where Noel talked about doing something different for the fourth album after doing the first three albums very similarly. I think BHN going bad only amplified that and may have even sped up Guigsy and Bonehead's departure. Had BHN turned out for the band, I think Guigsy and Bonehead would've been more keen to stay on and explore the new sonic territories, but I think they had enough and were well-off enough to where they could leave the insanity of being in the band and be okay. |
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Post by garylineker on Feb 1, 2021 9:48:54 GMT -5
I'm not saying it's a terrible record, but i've always found it baffling that it gets quite so much love on here. Outside this forum it's easily regarded as the worst Oasis album. People on here love to make out that is Heathen Chemistry, but having 4 good singles (2 of which are some of their most well known songs ever) is not overlooked, despite what anyone says on here. Most people who say that haven't heard the rest of the tracklist of either album though so of course they're only going to judge them on the singles, which is the only thing HC does better than SOTSOG. In the overall picture, HC gave us 4 songs that quite feasibly could all have been on Stop The Clocks, and really added to Oasis back catalogue. A good no.1 comeback singe, 2 very well known anthems and a lot of fans favourite in Songbird. Whilst i agree SOTSOG is more interesting sound wise and had good ideas i don't think its reaches those highs or gives Oasis fans what they want from an album. The lows are just painful too. I actually think SOTSOG era b-sides are vastly superior. |
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Post by tiger40 on Feb 1, 2021 13:34:58 GMT -5
Although, Let's All Make Believe and One Way Road are both great songs, you can't beat Roll It Over from Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants or Gas Panic for that matter. But the lows of the album don't do it any favours.
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Post by World71R on Feb 1, 2021 16:41:04 GMT -5
Most people who say that haven't heard the rest of the tracklist of either album though so of course they're only going to judge them on the singles, which is the only thing HC does better than SOTSOG. In the overall picture, HC gave us 4 songs that quite feasibly could all have been on Stop The Clocks, and really added to Oasis back catalogue. A good no.1 comeback singe, 2 very well known anthems and a lot of fans favourite in Songbird. Whilst i agree SOTSOG is more interesting sound wise and had good ideas i don't think its reaches those highs or gives Oasis fans what they want from an album. The lows are just painful too. I actually think SOTSOG era b-sides are vastly superior. I agree. Heathen Chemistry isn't as bad as a lot of people would make it out to be. There are some great singles and solid songs to back it up. Some clunkers? Yea, She is Love and Probably All in the Mind aren't much to write home about, and Better Man is let down by the repetition and subpar production, but Born on a Different Cloud is one of Liam's best, Force of Nature has one of Noel's best choruses this side of Be Here Now, and Hung in a Bad Place is a straight-up rocker that works well when you're in the mood to really get going. With that said, I still think it is a relatively weak album in the Oasis discography, which speaks more to the overall quality of the band than anything else. |
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Post by garylineker on Feb 1, 2021 22:17:29 GMT -5
In the overall picture, HC gave us 4 songs that quite feasibly could all have been on Stop The Clocks, and really added to Oasis back catalogue. A good no.1 comeback singe, 2 very well known anthems and a lot of fans favourite in Songbird. Whilst i agree SOTSOG is more interesting sound wise and had good ideas i don't think its reaches those highs or gives Oasis fans what they want from an album. The lows are just painful too. I actually think SOTSOG era b-sides are vastly superior. I agree. Heathen Chemistry isn't as bad as a lot of people would make it out to be. There are some great singles and solid songs to back it up. Some clunkers? Yea, She is Love and Probably All in the Mind aren't much to write home about, and Better Man is let down by the repetition and subpar production, but Born on a Different Cloud is one of Liam's best, Force of Nature has one of Noel's best choruses this side of Be Here Now, and Hung in a Bad Place is a straight-up rocker that works well when you're in the mood to really get going. With that said, I still think it is a relatively weak album in the Oasis discography, which speaks more to the overall quality of the band than anything else. Yeah exactly, i am by no means a big fan of the album but it's kind of shot down on here as if it has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I actually think them 4 singles went come way towards picking the band back up and making everyone realise there's still something there. NME said Stop Crying Your Heart Out was "proof genius never really left Oasis" and i completely agree with that way of thinking. In an ideal world i'd have loved SOTSOG to do well and Noel continue to explore ideas musically but i don't think it's what people wanted from Oasis. SCYHO, Songbird and maybe even Little By Little would make a lot of top 10s and were instrumental to the band's post 2000 shoots of revival. 2005 was when they really come back but people shouldn't dismiss how big these songs were for the band. |
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Post by darmin on Feb 2, 2021 2:42:25 GMT -5
Yeah Go Let It Out, Gas panic! and Let All Make Believe should’ve been singles. Maybe it wouldn’t make SOTSOG more commercially successful but only singles listening crowd and critics would be kinder to the album
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Post by Parka Flames on Feb 2, 2021 8:36:36 GMT -5
Just listening to GLIO for the first time in a while.
Liam's vocals in the first verse are just mindblowing. It's a real shame we don't have more recordings from the SOTSOG era with Liam on vox, because they sounded fantastic.
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Post by World71R on Feb 2, 2021 10:28:33 GMT -5
Yeah Go Let It Out, Gas panic! and Let All Make Believe should’ve been singles. Maybe it wouldn’t make SOTSOG more commercially successful but only singles listening crowd and critics would be kinder to the album Let's All Make Believe would've been the exact type of Achtung Baby/The Fly-like single that the band needed for SOTSOG. Something somewhat familiar but also wildly different but so, so good and encapsulating the forward-thinking tone of the album its from. Stop Crying Your Heart Out could've been a great "One"-like single if they had spent more time on the album for it to pop up, and Go Let it Out would've been a "Mysterious Ways"-like single. The band was oh-so-close to doing something really revitalizing but the execution let it down in the end. (I'll get off my U2 fanboy soapbox now  ) |
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Post by stinenat on Feb 2, 2021 13:02:05 GMT -5
I think of SOTSOG and HC as a pair in that their highs are higher than DBTT or DOYS, but their lows are in the fucking basement. SOTSOG is a great album with 2-3 stinkers on it. HC is 2-3 great songs with 7-8 Stinkers on it. They are the yin and yang of disparate mediocrity.
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Post by World71R on Feb 2, 2021 13:30:02 GMT -5
Gimme:
Fuckin' in the Bushes
The Hindu Times (Demo) (promo single)
Go Let it Out (third single)
Who Feels Love?
Let's All Make Believe (lead single)
Gas Panic!
Where Did it All Go Wrong? (Demo)
Born on a Different Cloud
Roll it Over
Stop Crying Your Heart Out (second single; released right around the time of the album release)
An incredibly moody, well-written comeback album that kicks off a more-prosperous decade than the band actually experienced both domestically and internationally.
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Post by Flashbax on Feb 2, 2021 17:24:48 GMT -5
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Post by World71R on Feb 2, 2021 20:03:56 GMT -5
Ha! Good one. I do think PYMWYMI had potential, but it was just not the type of tune Noel had his heart in at the time (minus FITB but that was very sample-heavy). |
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Post by darmin on Feb 3, 2021 4:21:05 GMT -5
Yeah Go Let It Out, Gas panic! and Let All Make Believe should’ve been singles. Maybe it wouldn’t make SOTSOG more commercially successful but only singles listening crowd and critics would be kinder to the album Let's All Make Believe would've been the exact type of Achtung Baby/The Fly-like single that the band needed for SOTSOG. Something somewhat familiar but also wildly different but so, so good and encapsulating the forward-thinking tone of the album its from. Stop Crying Your Heart Out could've been a great "One"-like single if they had spent more time on the album for it to pop up, and Go Let it Out would've been a "Mysterious Ways"-like single. The band was oh-so-close to doing something really revitalizing but the execution let it down in the end. (I'll get off my U2 fanboy soapbox now ) Yeah they were so close. Noel still had it in him, the songs were there or almost there, their sound was different enough to stop comparisons w WTS(MG) but still familiar. Liam’s voice was as good as ever. A little more of perfectionism and patience and they could have their great comeback |
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Post by NicOasis on Feb 3, 2021 8:20:46 GMT -5
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Post by tiger40 on Feb 3, 2021 13:33:55 GMT -5
Oh, I agree that Noel still had it in him to write good songs despite the songs which let the album down. But you can't fault songs like Fucking In The Bushes, Go Let It Out, Gas Panic, Where Did It All Go Wrong, Roll It Over, Let's All Make Believe, One Way Road, Carry Us All and even Who Feels Love is good when it's done live.
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Post by garylineker on Feb 5, 2021 4:11:36 GMT -5
Oh, I agree that Noel still had it in him to write good songs despite the songs which let the album down. But you can't fault songs like Fucking In The Bushes, Go Let It Out, Gas Panic, Where Did It All Go Wrong, Roll It Over, Let's All Make Believe, One Way Road, Carry Us All and even Who Feels Love is good when it's done live. Agreed, and I think you can do this with each album cycle and find a much stronger tracklisting than the one that made each respective album. Makes me even more mad when the usual lazy comments that they only had 2 albums get made. Critics say that in the full knowledge of all the b-sides and strong singles up until they split. |
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Post by garylineker on Feb 5, 2021 6:03:19 GMT -5
Sonically this time period of late 1998 to late 2000 was fantastic. New sounds. New themes found in Noel’s lyrics. Turbulent time for the band however with the departure of two core members exiting. I'd add hangover as well from the intense 4 year period of 1994 - 1997. I could be wrong and this might be bordering on offensive to some fans but I'd suggest the departure of Bonehead and Guigs at that time pales into insignificance compared to the fact Oasis were no longer the most talked about band in the world, Be Here Now had not lived up to expectation and that the band would transition into the next phase of their career where they were now established which comes with a different set of rules and challenges. Agree about Bonehead and Guigs. I think it was more the press now had their time to really stick the knife in and it was nice to be able to knock those two arrogant mancs that they've had to kiss arse for years before. Oasis is Liam and Noel. We can humour Bonehead and say he held it together or say he's the best bar chord player ever but let's face it, anyone could do that role. If the stories are true that he was causing loads of unnecessary shit in the mansion recording SOTSOG too then it was probably best he left. I don't have issue with him now coming back into Liams world and having a bit of time in the sun (who doesn't relive their former glorys at that age) but I do wish he would drop the really fake put on Liam-like attitude. It doesn't suit him. |
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Post by powerage09 on Feb 5, 2021 14:16:33 GMT -5
I'd add hangover as well from the intense 4 year period of 1994 - 1997. I could be wrong and this might be bordering on offensive to some fans but I'd suggest the departure of Bonehead and Guigs at that time pales into insignificance compared to the fact Oasis were no longer the most talked about band in the world, Be Here Now had not lived up to expectation and that the band would transition into the next phase of their career where they were now established which comes with a different set of rules and challenges. Agree about Bonehead and Guigs. I think it was more the press now had their time to really stick the knife in and it was nice to be able to knock those two arrogant mancs that they've had to kiss arse for years before. Oasis is Liam and Noel. We can humour Bonehead and say he held it together or say he's the best bar chord player ever but let's face it, anyone could do that role. If the stories are true that he was causing loads of unnecessary shit in the mansion recording SOTSOG too then it was probably best he left. I don't have issue with him now coming back into Liams world and having a bit of time in the sun (who doesn't relive their former glorys at that age) but I do wish he would drop the really fake put on Liam-like attitude. It doesn't suit him. I think for Bonehead it geuinely was about being with the lads and having fun. He has said himself it stopped being fun when recording SOTSOG and so he binned it off. In my opinion it's great he is still mates with Liam and plays with this band. I didn't see him with Oasis but is fantastic everytime he steps out with Liam. I'm not sure I follow on the Liam-Like attitude. Bonehead seems a fairly straight forward, down to earth guy, very uncomplicated. Enormous respect for the Oasis legacy and achievements to the point of taking great pride in it. Liam and Noel at times almost seem to play it "too cool for school" which is part of their image though Noel seems to be softening a little as he gentley slips into full Paul Weller and Jonny Marr slippers. |
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Post by plaskins1 on Feb 12, 2021 19:10:42 GMT -5
Can we have this and all other versions on on Spotify please?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 12, 2021 19:25:36 GMT -5
Agree about Bonehead and Guigs. I think it was more the press now had their time to really stick the knife in and it was nice to be able to knock those two arrogant mancs that they've had to kiss arse for years before. Oasis is Liam and Noel. We can humour Bonehead and say he held it together or say he's the best bar chord player ever but let's face it, anyone could do that role. If the stories are true that he was causing loads of unnecessary shit in the mansion recording SOTSOG too then it was probably best he left. I don't have issue with him now coming back into Liams world and having a bit of time in the sun (who doesn't relive their former glorys at that age) but I do wish he would drop the really fake put on Liam-like attitude. It doesn't suit him. I think for Bonehead it geuinely was about being with the lads and having fun. He has said himself it stopped being fun when recording SOTSOG and so he binned it off. In my opinion it's great he is still mates with Liam and plays with this band. I didn't see him with Oasis but is fantastic everytime he steps out with Liam. I'm not sure I follow on the Liam-Like attitude. Bonehead seems a fairly straight forward, down to earth guy, very uncomplicated. Enormous respect for the Oasis legacy and achievements to the point of taking great pride in it. Liam and Noel at times almost seem to play it "too cool for school" which is part of their image though Noel seems to be softening a little as he gentley slips into full Paul Weller and Jonny Marr slippers. This is the point in the Oasis story when they went from a band to a brand. |
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Post by Marissa on Feb 12, 2021 23:53:04 GMT -5
gas panic to where did it all go wrong to sunday morning call is the best progression of songs on any oasis album. fight me
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Post by Jessica on Feb 13, 2021 1:59:31 GMT -5
gas panic to where did it all go wrong to sunday morning call is the best progression of songs on any oasis album. fight me Oooo, for me it's between Columbia, Supersonic, Bring It on Down, Cigarettes & Alcohol and Listen Up, Rockin' Chair, Half the World Away |
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Post by freek on Feb 13, 2021 3:29:09 GMT -5
gas panic to where did it all go wrong to sunday morning call is the best progression of songs on any oasis album. fight me For me it has to be: Cast No Shadow, She's Electric, Morning Glory and Champagne Supernova |
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