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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 6, 2019 16:12:55 GMT -5
11 years to the day. Still my favourite post-Bonehead Oasis album. I'll never forgive that band for not playing Bag It Up and The Turning live. Noel talked them up too. At least we know they soundchecked “The Turning”. |
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Post by World71R on Oct 6, 2019 18:00:31 GMT -5
11 years to the day. Still my favourite post-Bonehead Oasis album. I'll never forgive that band for not playing Bag It Up and The Turning live. What's crazy to think is that the same amount of time has passed between now and DOYS, as there was between BHN and DOYS. |
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Post by LlAM on Oct 7, 2019 8:01:06 GMT -5
Waiting For The Rapture and Falling Down (Chem Bros Mix) are the only ones I go back to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 9:06:16 GMT -5
Dig out your SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUL
Seriously, through 1-7 it stands up BIG TIME. High Horse Lady haters can fuck off. It only goes to shit once it hits the part where Potato refuses to contribute any more because he wants to kill Oasis and make the AA album that he then pussied out of.
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Post by jh on Oct 7, 2019 9:29:43 GMT -5
Dig out your SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUL Seriously, through 1-7 it stands up BIG TIME. High Horse Lady haters can fuck off. It only goes to shit once it hits the part where Potato refuses to contribute any more because he wants to kill Oasis and make the AA album that he then pussied out of. I still listen to TBWTL and Falling Down.... they still grab you by the jewels!! Guilty pleasure is AGNOM short..sharp and ballsy..niiiice. The best gig for me with this album is the Black Rock Studios....phenomenal vocals - Liam really nais TBWTL.....snarling and true Liam for me....guitar is also immense, Noel smashes it. Think I have watched this gig as much as Knebworth. |
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Post by coolprophet on Oct 7, 2019 10:17:13 GMT -5
Was in Liverpool for the 2 gigs there when DOYS came out. Great memories and time... Crowd on the 1st night was completely mental from start to finish.
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Post by World71R on Oct 7, 2019 10:26:59 GMT -5
Waiting For The Rapture and Falling Down (Chem Bros Mix) are the only ones I go back to. The first two tracks, TSOTL, Boy With the Blues, Richard Fearless' To Be Where There's Life, and the Prodigy remix of Falling Down are too good to overlook though... |
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 7, 2019 10:38:58 GMT -5
Imo the overall issue with DOYS was the atmosphere surrounding the album, the bad vibes let's say: Liam went to marry while the Band where still in The studio, the album wasn't finished properly, the attack on-stage on Noel, Noel being a bitter vagina the whole tour, the brothers didn't talk to each other and of course the tumultuous end.
SOTSOG also had some of those issues but they clearly wanted to keep on togheter, however on DOYS era all those problems seemed like a premonition of sad things to come.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 7, 2019 11:15:04 GMT -5
Imo the overall issue with DOYS was the atmosphere surrounding the album, the bad vibes let's say: Liam went to marry while the Band where still in The studio, the album wasn't finished properly, the attack on-stage on Noel, Noel being a bitter vagina the whole tour, the brothers didn't talk to each other and of course the tumultuous end. SOTSOG also had some of those issues but they clearly wanted to keep on togheter, however on DOYS era all those problems seemed like a premonition of sad things to come. I’d say the vibes around SOTOG were far far worse. You had not one but two founding members quit just as the album was wrapping up. The British press was in a frenzy to say the least. First reviews for the album were tame and sales just ok. Then we get a huge fight in Barcelona and Noel walking out on the tour initially. Finally agreed to return but only UK dates. We next get a boozy Liam at the next Wembley gig which was originally planned to be the live album but it was wrecked so they went with the walk through gig of night 1. Then that August everyone thought it was their final act as a band. These were dark dark times. On the flip side the actual recording or DOYS seemed uneventful and exciting with new Noel quotes about kitchen sinks and grooves. Yes Liam left during mixing in LA but just for a few days. The band still had 6 more months to complete any “missing” Liam vocals for two tracks. Noel likes to point blame on Liam for those songs not getting on DOYS but they had 6 more months!!!! Things got bad and I mean really bad at the start of 2009 with Pretty Green becoming a trigger for underlying anger. |
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Post by oasisunited on Oct 7, 2019 13:20:34 GMT -5
the actual recording or DOYS seemed uneventful IIRC Noel was more than perturbed with Liam leaving the DOYS recording sessions unannounced to get married in Vegas on Valentine's Day. I agree with your main thesis, however: the recording and release of SOTSOG included a lot more drama than DOYS. |
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Post by matt on Oct 7, 2019 14:21:11 GMT -5
Imo the overall issue with DOYS was the atmosphere surrounding the album, the bad vibes let's say: Liam went to marry while the Band where still in The studio, the album wasn't finished properly, the attack on-stage on Noel, Noel being a bitter vagina the whole tour, the brothers didn't talk to each other and of course the tumultuous end. SOTSOG also had some of those issues but they clearly wanted to keep on togheter, however on DOYS era all those problems seemed like a premonition of sad things to come. I’d say the vibes around SOTOG were far far worse. You had not one but two founding members quit just as the album was wrapping up. The British press was in a frenzy to say the least. First reviews for the album were tame and sales just ok. Then we get a huge fight in Barcelona and Noel walking out on the tour initially. Finally agreed to return but only UK dates. We next get a boozy Liam at the next Wembley gig which was originally planned to be the live album but it was wrecked so they went with the walk through gig of night 1. Then that August everyone thought it was their final act as a band. These were dark dark times. On the flip side the actual recording or DOYS seemed uneventful and exciting with new Noel quotes about kitchen sinks and grooves. Yes Liam left during mixing in LA but just for a few days. The band still had 6 more months to complete any “missing” Liam vocals for two tracks. Noel likes to point blame on Liam for those songs not getting on DOYS but they had 6 more months!!!! Things got bad and I mean really bad at the start of 2009 with Pretty Green becoming a trigger for underlying anger. It’s a load of nonsense all that ‘Liam got married so we couldn’t finish the album’. I’d have more respect if Noel just came out and admitted they threw together any old piece of shit and released it as a mere excuse to go gigging and get more money. That’s what history will sum these latter Oasis albums as. Completely irrelevant. |
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Post by lg on Oct 7, 2019 14:22:09 GMT -5
DOYS is like a F1 race: the beginning is great, the rest is boring.
It could have been their best album since BHN.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 7, 2019 14:35:56 GMT -5
the actual recording or DOYS seemed uneventful IIRC Noel was more than perturbed with Liam leaving the DOYS recording sessions unannounced to get married in Vegas on Valentine's Day. I agree with your main thesis, however: the recording and release of SOTSOG included a lot more drama than DOYS. I guess with SOTSOG we knew of all the tensions and drama in real time as it was unfolding. I think we only learned about the wedding fiasco months later when Noel was doing press for DOYS on the USA tour in December 2008. For me the ugly stuff didn’t emerge until the calendar flipped to 2009. |
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Post by oasisunited on Oct 7, 2019 14:40:27 GMT -5
IIRC Noel was more than perturbed with Liam leaving the DOYS recording sessions unannounced to get married in Vegas on Valentine's Day. I agree with your main thesis, however: the recording and release of SOTSOG included a lot more drama than DOYS. I guess with SOTSOG we knew of all the tensions and drama in real time as it was unfolding. I think we only learned about the wedding fiasco months later when Noel was doing press for DOYS on the USA tour in December 2008. For me the ugly stuff didn’t emerge until the calendar flipped to 2009. I think in both cases we didn't get a whiff of it until later. I remember that everyone was caught by surprise when Bonehead announced he was leaving (and then Guigsy by fax about a week later -- by fax! What a Guigsy way to go). The band must have known for months he was leaving (or at least things were not well) since the recording session in France where, if we are to believe Noel, Bonehead was messing with the engineers was in April and he didn't announce he was quitting until August. Same thing with DOYS. It seems that there was little stuff going on during the recording in LA and London, the least of which was Liam getting married that trickled out later. That being said, I think that you are right that comparatively, the SOTSOG sessions were more tense than the DOYS ones, but I don't think that either went smoothly. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 7, 2019 14:52:08 GMT -5
I guess with SOTSOG we knew of all the tensions and drama in real time as it was unfolding. I think we only learned about the wedding fiasco months later when Noel was doing press for DOYS on the USA tour in December 2008. For me the ugly stuff didn’t emerge until the calendar flipped to 2009. I think in both cases we didn't get a whiff of it until later. I remember that everyone was caught by surprise when Bonehead announced he was leaving (and then Guigsy by fax about a week later -- by fax! What a Guigsy way to go). The band must have known for months he was leaving (or at least things were not well) since the recording session in France where, if we are to believe Noel, Bonehead was messing with the engineers was in April and he didn't announce he was quitting until August. Same thing with DOYS. It seems that there was little stuff going on during the recording in LA and London, the least of which was Liam getting married that trickled out later. That being said, I think that you are right that comparatively, the SOTSOG sessions were more tense than the DOYS ones, but I don't think that either went smoothly. For some reason I remember Oasis going to France in the beginning of August 1999. A few weeks later Bonehead abruptly left the sessions and flew back to England. Then Quigs departed. Then we were hearing that Noel was redoing all their pasts at wheeler end. Same for the Barcelona incident. That was all over the press in real time and Noel leaving. At the time I thought “well this is it. Band over”. But the band carried on their Europe tour sans Noel. Bizarre time for sure. |
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Post by oasisunited on Oct 7, 2019 14:55:10 GMT -5
I think in both cases we didn't get a whiff of it until later. I remember that everyone was caught by surprise when Bonehead announced he was leaving (and then Guigsy by fax about a week later -- by fax! What a Guigsy way to go). The band must have known for months he was leaving (or at least things were not well) since the recording session in France where, if we are to believe Noel, Bonehead was messing with the engineers was in April and he didn't announce he was quitting until August. Same thing with DOYS. It seems that there was little stuff going on during the recording in LA and London, the least of which was Liam getting married that trickled out later. That being said, I think that you are right that comparatively, the SOTSOG sessions were more tense than the DOYS ones, but I don't think that either went smoothly. For some reason I remember Oasis going to France in the beginning of August 1999. A few weeks later Bonehead abruptly left the sessions and flew back to England. Then Quigs departed. Then we were hearing that Noel was redoing all their pasts at wheeler end. Same for the Barcelona incident. That was all over the press in real time and Noel leaving. At the time I thought “well this is it. Band over”. But the band carried on their Europe tour sans Noel. Bizarre time for sure. Maybe it was for additional mixing or some additional recording? They definitely recorded at Chateau De La Colle Noire in late April/early May 1999. My guess is the push came to shove when management started talking about booking the tour. That was probably what made Bonehead finally mail it in. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 7, 2019 14:56:02 GMT -5
For some reason I remember Oasis going to France in the beginning of August 1999. A few weeks later Bonehead abruptly left the sessions and flew back to England. Then Quigs departed. Then we were hearing that Noel was redoing all their pasts at wheeler end. Same for the Barcelona incident. That was all over the press in real time and Noel leaving. At the time I thought “well this is it. Band over”. But the band carried on their Europe tour sans Noel. Bizarre time for sure. Maybe it was for additional mixing or some additional recording? They definitely recorded at Chateau De La Colle Noire in late April/early May 1999. My guess is the push came to shove when management started talking about booking the tour. That was probably what made Bonehead finally mail it in. I can’t believe all of this was 20 years ago now. Just wild. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Oct 7, 2019 15:24:46 GMT -5
DOYS is like a F1 race: the beginning is great, the rest is boring. It could have been their best album since BHN. Definitely. I really don't mind though, I still listen to those four, five great tunes, while a more even album like DBTT just gets forgotten altogether. |
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 7, 2019 16:23:02 GMT -5
Imo the overall issue with DOYS was the atmosphere surrounding the album, the bad vibes let's say: Liam went to marry while the Band where still in The studio, the album wasn't finished properly, the attack on-stage on Noel, Noel being a bitter vagina the whole tour, the brothers didn't talk to each other and of course the tumultuous end. SOTSOG also had some of those issues but they clearly wanted to keep on togheter, however on DOYS era all those problems seemed like a premonition of sad things to come. I’d say the vibes around SOTOG were far far worse. You had not one but two founding members quit just as the album was wrapping up. The British press was in a frenzy to say the least. First reviews for the album were tame and sales just ok. Then we get a huge fight in Barcelona and Noel walking out on the tour initially. Finally agreed to return but only UK dates. We next get a boozy Liam at the next Wembley gig which was originally planned to be the live album but it was wrecked so they went with the walk through gig of night 1. Then that August everyone thought it was their final act as a band. These were dark dark times. On the flip side the actual recording or DOYS seemed uneventful and exciting with new Noel quotes about kitchen sinks and grooves. Yes Liam left during mixing in LA but just for a few days. The band still had 6 more months to complete any “missing” Liam vocals for two tracks. Noel likes to point blame on Liam for those songs not getting on DOYS but they had 6 more months!!!! Things got bad and I mean really bad at the start of 2009 with Pretty Green becoming a trigger for underlying anger. I would say the beggining of DOYS era was great, it was very exciting times I agree, but it ended up on a sad note, Liam more worried about Pretty Green, Noel isolated himself on tour, their hearts weren't in it anymore. While on SOTSOG era the beggining was a disaster, plus the bad press and fights, but in the end the band overcome that situation, Noel and Liam clearly wanted to keep on togheter making music, let's all make believe that we are still a band (pun intended). The SOTSOG era was a tumultuous one but they made everything possible and got through that and in the end the band survived, on the other hand on DOYS era it started great but thing got ugly and ugly and that situation broke the band, what's worse than this? |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 7, 2019 16:52:18 GMT -5
DOYS is like a F1 race: the beginning is great, the rest is boring. And collision at the end, innit. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 16:52:44 GMT -5
DOYS is like a F1 race: the beginning is great, the rest is boring. Intentional sabotage. |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 8, 2019 2:34:30 GMT -5
I like that album a lot. Sure it could have been better (Come On Outside, Four Letter Word, Boy With the Blues come to mind), but it's a great record to get lost into. The first half is punchy and in your face, then, it's chilling and makes your mind wander and dream, i kinda like it. Perfect for early mornings or when the sun goes down in autumn.
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Post by World71R on Oct 8, 2019 13:52:52 GMT -5
DOYS is like a F1 race: the beginning is great, the rest is boring. It could have been their best album since BHN. It feels like it's gonna get going after Falling Down and To Be Where There's Life, but it doesn't. Give me the Richard Fearless version of TBWTL, then Four Letter Word (as someone mentioned here), Come on Outside, Stop the Clocks, and Boy With the Blues as the final tracks, and that's a full realization of DOYS right there. Falling Down is like the realization that everything's about to end but it needed another bigger track that would really encapsulate the apocalypse they were trying to illustrate, and Stop the Clocks would've done just that, with Boy With the Blues being an "end credits"-type song, similar to how Dead in the Water is on WBTM?. This makes me realize a) that Noel should do a movie soundtrack and b) that DOYS & WBTM are very similar, except WBTM is much more realized than DOYS is in some ways. |
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 8, 2019 19:50:03 GMT -5
On the flip side the actual recording or DOYS seemed uneventful and exciting with new Noel quotes about kitchen sinks and grooves. Yes Liam left during mixing in LA but just for a few days. The band still had 6 more months to complete any “missing” Liam vocals for two tracks. Noel likes to point blame on Liam for those songs not getting on DOYS but they had 6 more months!!!! Things got bad and I mean really bad at the start of 2009 with Pretty Green becoming a trigger for underlying anger. I’d agree with that. There was lots of excitement about the new album being more like BHN. Then we had some clever promo like the NME dig out your soul songbook promo, the YouTube covers of songs we’d not heard yet, dig out your soul in the streets doc, hearing a remix of a new song before hearing the original, a full tour of Canada (first and only time!), and Liam sounded amazing at those gigs. It all took a turn after the stage invader incident imo. Then pretty green, the “bad vibes”, angry Liam, Maggie leaving, etc. We know the rest. There was a lot of public animosity in those last months. |
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 8, 2019 19:51:47 GMT -5
^^ that said, I’m not saying the stage invader killed Oasis, but it was a huge catalyst. There were enough other issues to do it in time.
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