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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 14:52:09 GMT -5
I don't have to explain myself either. that's great, because i don't think anyone really cares to read it anyway.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Sept 17, 2017 15:47:07 GMT -5
I don't have to explain myself either. that's great, because i don't think anyone really cares to read it anyway. Don't even know who you are, but thanks for taking the time to reply to me.
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Post by mancraider on Sept 17, 2017 16:56:54 GMT -5
Love it when the ones who have clearly wanted Liam to fail are just pretending they're happy for him now.Noel will probably do the same. May I ask you who are you talking about? Seriously don't the people who love to debate Liam vs Noel/Noel vs Liam again and again get tired? Why can't they support both of them like they used to when Oasis were still together? This whole idea that if you are an oasis fan you must have been a fan of both Noel and Liam is so simplistic and just a way to shut down someone you disagree with. I became a fan back in 1994 when DM was released. I was much the same age as Liam and loved his image and how cool he seemed. I also loved his voice of course. At the same time I remember noel being in tabloids for abusing people in nightclubs telling them he was the greatest songwriter ever and basically being an obnoxious prick. I never liked his voice either so while I could respect him for writing the songs I was never a fan of noel gallagher. When I saw Oasis live I was fascinated by liam but when noel did his solo spot I found it incredibly dull. I've never bought a Noel Gallagher album or been to a gig and probably never will. So i guess by your standards I must not have been a real oasis fan then. I am on other message boards and they are all exactly like this one, what ever the subject. A large group of people brought together to discuss a single issue but all from very different backgrounds with different views, personalities, senses of humour etc. They all suffer the same problems. Trolls, geeks, arsholes, pedants, the eternally morally outraged, the passive aggressive bores. They're all on every board, and this one's no exception. A lot of people just take this far too seriously. It ain't real life or even important.
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Post by psj3809 on Sept 17, 2017 18:23:01 GMT -5
I’m a huge Oasis fan. Always preferred Liam’s stage presence, Noel has the better voice but it’s always pipe and slippers type music when he used to. One on and do his slow or acoustic songs
Seen Noel about 4 times with NGHFB, always enjoyed it but it’s more sit down and tap your foot to his tunes. No one goes that crazy as they did at an Oasis gig or a Liam one.
Of course both together is the best but I way prefer a Liam show
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 19:09:44 GMT -5
May I ask you who are you talking about? Seriously don't the people who love to debate Liam vs Noel/Noel vs Liam again and again get tired? Why can't they support both of them like they used to when Oasis were still together? This whole idea that if you are an oasis fan you must have been a fan of both Noel and Liam is so simplistic and just a way to shut down someone you disagree with. Finally, somebody who says it. It's not strange that you have a favourite, I mean, they're not your kids.
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Post by janedoe on Sept 17, 2017 19:32:03 GMT -5
I’m a huge Oasis fan. Always preferred Liam’s stage presence, Noel has the better voice but it’s always pipe and slippers type music when he used to. One on and do his slow or acoustic songs Seen Noel about 4 times with NGHFB, always enjoyed it but it’s more sit down and tap your foot to his tunes. No one goes that crazy as they did at an Oasis gig or a Liam one. Of course both together is the best but I way prefer a Liam show Agreed, they are providing different kinds of entertainment, particularly live. I happen to prefer one over the other. Recordings of Liam's shows - even the fan vids - transmit an energy I don't see in Noel's shows. They are exciting to watch.
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Sept 18, 2017 0:52:50 GMT -5
Grow up Liam!!! At least he writes his own songs
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Post by andymorris on Sept 18, 2017 3:49:35 GMT -5
I remember noel being in tabloids for abusing people in nightclubs telling them he was the greatest songwriter ever and basically being an obnoxious prick. Dude, not trying to be disrespectful, but you have, you whole life, based your opinion on Noel Gallagher from tabloid shit ? Come on. I do understand people not liking his voice though, but that is just very weird. There's probably more tabloid headlines about Liam being a vagina in pubs than Noel being a prick in nightclubs. I hope that doesn't break your love for Liam Gallagher. As for the debate Liam against Noel : why should we pick sides ? Are we the children caught in a naughty divorce ? Both have different qualities but both are talented. To me, if you like Liam's stage presence, you must also like Noel Gallagher because he made possible the character's confidence with his quality songs. Noel boosted Liam with confidence. And if you like Noel, you must like Liam as well because he gave life and voice to those songs, that, at the time, Noel could simply not sing. So in the end, it's a silly debate. PS: if you were Liam or Noel in the 90s, we all know we would have been a bit stupid and obnoxious. Look where they came from. You"re 20 or 28 and hailed as the best singer of songwriter since the Beatles... I mean, they didn't turn out THAT BAD after all this. Clearly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 4:06:41 GMT -5
Personally I loved the arrogance from both of them.
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Post by mancraider on Sept 18, 2017 4:31:37 GMT -5
I remember noel being in tabloids for abusing people in nightclubs telling them he was the greatest songwriter ever and basically being an obnoxious prick. Dude, not trying to be disrespectful, but you have, you whole life, based your opinion on Noel Gallagher from tabloid shit ? Come on. I do understand people not liking his voice though, but that is just very weird. There's probably more tabloid headlines about Liam being a vagina in pubs than Noel being a prick in nightclubs. I hope that doesn't break your love for Liam Gallagher. As for the debate Liam against Noel : why should we pick sides ? Are we the children caught in a naughty divorce ? Both have different qualities but both are talented. To me, if you like Liam's stage presence, you must also like Noel Gallagher because he made possible the character's confidence with his quality songs. Noel boosted Liam with confidence. And if you like Noel, you must like Liam as well because he gave life and voice to those songs, that, at the time, Noel could simply not sing. So in the end, it's a silly debate. PS: if you were Liam or Noel in the 90s, we all know we would have been a bit stupid and obnoxious. Look where they came from. You"re 20 or 28 and hailed as the best singer of songwriter since the Beatles... I mean, they didn't turn out THAT BAD after all this. Clearly. Of course that's not the reason for my opinion but for sake of brevity I was just giving a few examples. I guess what I was trying to show was how silly an argument it was that you must like both gallaghers if your a fan of oasis. There are many different reasons for being drawn in. Yes they were both dicks but I still became a fan of liam because there was things about him that resonated with me but the same things didn't work on me for noel. Think of it as two girls fancying the same guy, they might both be into the same person but it can be different things that catch there attention. And a third girl might think the same guy is a complete dick. Loves a funny thing whether for a band or a person. There is nothing wrong with thinking the same about noel or indeed being a fan of both, as I'm sure many are, I just get a bit sick of people's opinions getting jumped on all the time on here because they don't fit in to a very narrow definition of what an oasis fan is supposed to be. As for them both being dicks in the ninties, it was my opinion, formed from following them at the time that Liam was an obnoxious but harmless idiot but noel had a nastier streak in him that went over the line sometimes. Like the wishing aids on people thing. My opinion obviously and im not knocking anyone who thinks differently I just don't like it being smugly insinuated that Im not a proper fan if I don't blindly love them both. And it's not the being a dick part that turns me of noel anyway, as I said I just find him dull as a performer. He did write the songs but I don't happen to think that even the best oasis songs sound as good with anyone else singing them but Liam. How many oasis covers have you heard when you've thought yeah that's better than the original. They are undoubtedly very good songs but it's liam for the most part that makes them great.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 18, 2017 4:52:47 GMT -5
Fair play i guess.
I dont find Noel to be boring. One of the best gig Oasis related i've seen was one he did for his first solo tour. He was on fire and really did put on a great show.
CY tour wasn't as good, but i've seen worst Oasis gigs. And i've seen many many.
Also, his solo acoustics tours with Gem are probably the best performances he's ever given.
but i can understand people not being into Noel as a singer, usually people that like Liam's rage dont understand Noel's side of singing. That's fine.
the one thing is one wouldn't exist without the other, so in a way, it's kinda weird to be "fan" of only one of the two.
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Post by mancraider on Sept 18, 2017 5:10:05 GMT -5
Fair play i guess. I dont find Noel to be boring. One of the best gig Oasis related i've seen was one he did for his first solo tour. He was on fire and really did put on a great show. CY tour wasn't as good, but i've seen worst Oasis gigs. And i've seen many many. Also, his solo acoustics tours with Gem are probably the best performances he's ever given. but i can understand people not being into Noel as a singer, usually people that like Liam's rage dont understand Noel's side of singing. That's fine. the one thing is one wouldn't exist without the other, so in a way, it's kinda weird to be "fan" of only one of the two. Of course, as I said people like what they like. There are many bands outside of oasis that I feel nothing for yet they have changed people's lives. You're absolutely correct one wouldn't exist without the other and I appreciate that but it doesn't mean I have to like Noel solo, just as it doesn't mean the many noel fans have to like liam solo, as many on here don't. And btw you are doing there the very thing I was commenting on in the first place. Putting fan in quotation marks in your last sentence is saying that I'm not really a fan if I don't like them both.
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Post by matt on Sept 18, 2017 5:22:07 GMT -5
May I ask you who are you talking about? Seriously don't the people who love to debate Liam vs Noel/Noel vs Liam again and again get tired? Why can't they support both of them like they used to when Oasis were still together? This whole idea that if you are an oasis fan you must have been a fan of both Noel and Liam is so simplistic and just a way to shut down someone you disagree with. I became a fan back in 1994 when DM was released. I was much the same age as Liam and loved his image and how cool he seemed. I also loved his voice of course. At the same time I remember noel being in tabloids for abusing people in nightclubs telling them he was the greatest songwriter ever and basically being an obnoxious prick. I never liked his voice either so while I could respect him for writing the songs I was never a fan of noel gallagher. When I saw Oasis live I was fascinated by liam but when noel did his solo spot I found it incredibly dull. I've never bought a Noel Gallagher album or been to a gig and probably never will. So i guess by your standards I must not have been a real oasis fan then. I am on other message boards and they are all exactly like this one, what ever the subject. A large group of people brought together to discuss a single issue but all from very different backgrounds with different views, personalities, senses of humour etc. They all suffer the same problems. Trolls, geeks, arsholes, pedants, the eternally morally outraged, the passive aggressive bores. They're all on every board, and this one's no exception. A lot of people just take this far too seriously. It ain't real life or even important. Music. It's about the music. Not image, not charisma, but the pure bare bones songwriting which is the most important element of greatness. If that's not important to you, leave Oasis alone and go ahead and listen to Catpish, Viva Brother The Enemy or Kasabian. I could sing Oasis songs in my diabolical singing voice, and even then, most folk would recognise they are great songs. If the singers performance is the most important element of what makes a band great, and not it's songwriting, then something is amiss and there is a severe lack of substance in the music. But the facts speak for themselves with regards to Oasis. Noel Gallagher wrote Live Forever. Game, set, match.
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Post by ricardogce on Sept 18, 2017 5:47:56 GMT -5
This whole idea that if you are an oasis fan you must have been a fan of both Noel and Liam is so simplistic and just a way to shut down someone you disagree with. I became a fan back in 1994 when DM was released. I was much the same age as Liam and loved his image and how cool he seemed. I also loved his voice of course. At the same time I remember noel being in tabloids for abusing people in nightclubs telling them he was the greatest songwriter ever and basically being an obnoxious prick. I never liked his voice either so while I could respect him for writing the songs I was never a fan of noel gallagher. When I saw Oasis live I was fascinated by liam but when noel did his solo spot I found it incredibly dull. I've never bought a Noel Gallagher album or been to a gig and probably never will. So i guess by your standards I must not have been a real oasis fan then. I am on other message boards and they are all exactly like this one, what ever the subject. A large group of people brought together to discuss a single issue but all from very different backgrounds with different views, personalities, senses of humour etc. They all suffer the same problems. Trolls, geeks, arsholes, pedants, the eternally morally outraged, the passive aggressive bores. They're all on every board, and this one's no exception. A lot of people just take this far too seriously. It ain't real life or even important. Music. It's about the music. Not image, not charisma, but the pure bare bones songwriting which is the most important element of greatness. If that's not important to you, leave Oasis alone and go ahead and listen to Catpish, Viva Brother The Enemy or Kasabian. I could sing Oasis songs in my diabolical singing voice, and even then, most folk would recognise they are great songs. If the singers performance is the most important element of what makes a band great, and not it's songwriting, then something is amiss and there is a severe lack of substance in the music. But the facts speak for themselves with regards to Oasis. Noel Gallagher wrote Live Forever. Game, set, match. Max Martin wrote Hit Me One More Time. I wonder how big a hit it would have been had it been him singing it on the record. Lots of people seem to miss the point of Acquiesce on purpose.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 18, 2017 6:05:37 GMT -5
Music. It's about the music. Not image, not charisma, but the pure bare bones songwriting which is the most important element of greatness. If that's not important to you, leave Oasis alone and go ahead and listen to Catpish, Viva Brother The Enemy or Kasabian. I could sing Oasis songs in my diabolical singing voice, and even then, most folk would recognise they are great songs. If the singers performance is the most important element of what makes a band great, and not it's songwriting, then something is amiss and there is a severe lack of substance in the music. But the facts speak for themselves with regards to Oasis. Noel Gallagher wrote Live Forever. Game, set, match. Max Martin wrote Hit Me One More Time. I wonder how big a hit it would have been had it been him singing it on the record. Lots of people seem to miss the point of Acquiesce on purpose. ![P-)](//storage.proboards.com/1258801/images/aISM4jCl_eWjI5L9xvHU.gif) maybe Max Martin is a good singer who knows ? But i dont believe he wears the schoolgirl costume as well as Britney used to. In all seriousness, songwriting and performing go hand in hand. but i understand the point of view from mattydd. I too value songwriting way more than singing because it requires more dedication, hard work and focus. It also puts more pressure on the guy responsible for it, coz you gotta deliver 20 songs every two years. it's way harder to be a songwriter. Singing is just showing up and nailing the tune in a take or two. + a singer would not exist without a songwriter. The opposite being untrue (although it would be less good...). Just like everything else, its a good (heathen) chemistry that creates something unique and out of this world. It wouldn't have wanted Oasis without Liam. But i'm glad Noel made it solo, coz he's got it all. Liam also got it all, but doesn't believe in his songwriting.
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Post by matt on Sept 18, 2017 6:06:04 GMT -5
Music. It's about the music. Not image, not charisma, but the pure bare bones songwriting which is the most important element of greatness. If that's not important to you, leave Oasis alone and go ahead and listen to Catpish, Viva Brother The Enemy or Kasabian. I could sing Oasis songs in my diabolical singing voice, and even then, most folk would recognise they are great songs. If the singers performance is the most important element of what makes a band great, and not it's songwriting, then something is amiss and there is a severe lack of substance in the music. But the facts speak for themselves with regards to Oasis. Noel Gallagher wrote Live Forever. Game, set, match. Max Martin wrote Hit Me One More Time. I wonder how big a hit it would have been had it been him singing it on the record. Lots of people seem to miss the point of Acquiesce on purpose. Totally irrelevant because Hot Me One More Time is peak shite. Noel's songs around that time are great regardless of who sings. The ideal versions are of course Liam's vocals, but I can hear Chris Martin or Eddie Vedder or whoever cover them and I know instantly these are great song.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 6:12:53 GMT -5
Music. It's about the music. Not image, not charisma, but the pure bare bones songwriting which is the most important element of greatness. If that's not important to you, leave Oasis alone and go ahead and listen to Catpish, Viva Brother The Enemy or Kasabian. I could sing Oasis songs in my diabolical singing voice, and even then, most folk would recognise they are great songs. If the singers performance is the most important element of what makes a band great, and not it's songwriting, then something is amiss and there is a severe lack of substance in the music. But the facts speak for themselves with regards to Oasis. Noel Gallagher wrote Live Forever. Game, set, match. Max Martin wrote Hit Me One More Time. I wonder how big a hit it would have been had it been him singing it on the record. Lots of people seem to miss the point of Acquiesce on purpose. Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley, Tom Jones and an etc bigger than noels ego never wrote a song. You need to take a look outside the hole in the ground it seams you are living in.
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Post by mancraider on Sept 18, 2017 6:32:52 GMT -5
This whole idea that if you are an oasis fan you must have been a fan of both Noel and Liam is so simplistic and just a way to shut down someone you disagree with. I became a fan back in 1994 when DM was released. I was much the same age as Liam and loved his image and how cool he seemed. I also loved his voice of course. At the same time I remember noel being in tabloids for abusing people in nightclubs telling them he was the greatest songwriter ever and basically being an obnoxious prick. I never liked his voice either so while I could respect him for writing the songs I was never a fan of noel gallagher. When I saw Oasis live I was fascinated by liam but when noel did his solo spot I found it incredibly dull. I've never bought a Noel Gallagher album or been to a gig and probably never will. So i guess by your standards I must not have been a real oasis fan then. I am on other message boards and they are all exactly like this one, what ever the subject. A large group of people brought together to discuss a single issue but all from very different backgrounds with different views, personalities, senses of humour etc. They all suffer the same problems. Trolls, geeks, arsholes, pedants, the eternally morally outraged, the passive aggressive bores. They're all on every board, and this one's no exception. A lot of people just take this far too seriously. It ain't real life or even important. Music. It's about the music. Not image, not charisma, but the pure bare bones songwriting which is the most important element of greatness. If that's not important to you, leave Oasis alone and go ahead and listen to Catpish, Viva Brother The Enemy or Kasabian. I could sing Oasis songs in my diabolical singing voice, and even then, most folk would recognise they are great songs. If the singers performance is the most important element of what makes a band great, and not it's songwriting, then something is amiss and there is a severe lack of substance in the music. But the facts speak for themselves with regards to Oasis. Noel Gallagher wrote Live Forever. Game, set, match. And who wrote suspicious minds? Noel wrote a lot of songs that I love but would have probably never heard of if liam hadn't sang them so no I won't leave oasis alone just cos some pompous ass on the Internet tells me to. To say it's only about the songwriting is so narrow minded. I go to a gig to watch someone perform not to watch them write. A great song is only great in theory until it's made real on a stage or in the studio. And I'm not dismissing Noel's songwriting the way you are trying to dismiss Liam's performance, I can respect noel the way I respect a lot of bands and artists that I wouldn't call myself a fan of because when I listen to their music it doesn't move me. I've heard noel sing classic oasis tunes many times and it just doesn't affect me emotionally the way it does when I heard liam sing them. If Oasis had existed with noel as singer and released Definitely Maybe then I would have listened to it and put it in the pile of just another ninties band. I certainly wouldn't be listening to it 23 years later. So excuse me if I couldn't care less about your opinion of whether I'm allowed to be a fan of oasis or not.
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Post by Rolo on Sept 18, 2017 6:54:49 GMT -5
To think Noel's songs would of been as successful without Liam vocals on them is ridiculous. Yes, they are great songs regardless but they were brought alive and made famous by Liam. Go listen to the Mustique demos and tell me anyone could of sung Be Here Now.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Sept 18, 2017 7:03:57 GMT -5
Thanks to Liam Oasis are a Rock n Roll band. without Liam, Noel would have arranged "soft" even the most RnR songs.
Noel Solo is a pop star. Liam Solo is a rock'n'roll star.
With Liam's voice and "Live attitude" even the most pop songs become more RnR.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Sept 18, 2017 7:11:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 7:24:16 GMT -5
I don't think matt is dismissing Liam contribution to Oasis greatness. He just reminds that the songs, melodies were already there. I wouldn't have loved Oasis as much as I do without Liam's vocals. The guy has got to be my favourite singer of all the time. His vocals on the 90's albums are outstanding, he sounds like a nightingale on some songs (Slide Away, Listen Up, Rockin' Chair, etc). But he wasn't singing over average tunes, he was singing over already PERFECT pop songs. He totally fulfilled the potential of those songs, thing Noel couldn't really do at the time cos' he was just an alright singer, but the songs were already fuckin' amazing ! Proof there, no vocals, just a piano letting the melody shines. At the end of the day Oasis was Liam + Noel, Noel + Liam, the mix between the best melodist and the best singer of the 90's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 7:28:43 GMT -5
To think Noel's songs would of been as successful without Liam vocals on them is ridiculous. Yes, they are great songs regardless but they were brought alive and made famous by Liam. Go listen to the Mustique demos and tell me anyone could of sung Be Here Now. Noel could have made a great living as nothing more than a songwriter for other artists. The fact that all his tunes were done by one artist is why Oasis was able to become so massive. I adore Liam's vocals, especially on the 90's albums... but I tend to agree with lubeck here.
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Post by ricardogce on Sept 18, 2017 7:30:56 GMT -5
Max Martin wrote Hit Me One More Time. I wonder how big a hit it would have been had it been him singing it on the record. Lots of people seem to miss the point of Acquiesce on purpose. Totally irrelevant because Hot Me One More Time is peak shite. Noel's songs around that time are great regardless of who sings. The ideal versions are of course Liam's vocals, but I can hear Chris Martin or Eddie Vedder or whoever cover them and I know instantly these are great song. HMOMT is peak shite to the likes of you and me, but not to tens of millions of others. It's as memorable to large segments of the population as Live Forever. When we're all gone, people will remember Liam and Noel, and also Britney (not Max).
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 18, 2017 7:32:15 GMT -5
And only 98 days until Christmas! Or something close anyway.
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