But...
Did they write the songs we're going to hear? 
I mean, In The Heat Of The Moment isn't something AA would write, they probably wouldn't be proud of it as well, don't you think so?

I think if a song written by Noel with its structure fully formed with melody and lyrics is there already, people shouldn't demand co-writing credits.

Perhaps co-producing credit should be there, but asking for a songwriting credit is ridiculous as they don't change the fundamental features of a song.

They embellish the song and make it realise their full potential - but they shouldn't ask for songwriting credits. The man who realised this most in music was arguably the greatest producer of all, Sir George Martin - he embellished so many Beatles tracks with his ideas, but he knew very well he didn't deserve a writing credit as the full song was already there.

Yeah, Shoot A Hole Into The Sun was recorded with AA in the studio, there's footage on Gaz' Youtube account:

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It's the only original song we got so far from the actual Noel/AA recording session.

The What A Life remix was, well, just a remix of the original HFB song and probably done much later.

I don't see the point.

Noel wrote both The Ballad of the Mighty I (it was around since HFB1) and the Right Stuff. So why on earth should Noel give them all the producing credits?

They probably are different versions, not in the style of AA. So what? 

He chose Shoot a Hole into the Sun as a B-side and he co-wrote that with them. When he should have published one of his songs like She must be one of us, Oh Lord etc. Instead he gave them a lot of credits, when nobody's know who AA are.

I agree. I'm sure that they'll be different from the ones made/reworked by AA. Looking at SAHITS and the WAL remix, Noel for sure isn't putting on his new album some tracks in the vein of those ones. Ok, he's said it will be "out here"... but not that far out

Anyway, they're HIS songs. He wrote them, and he gave 'em to AA. Then didn't like the result (or he chickened out, who knows), he scrapped the whole project and probably re-recorded the tracks from scratch. Maybe they'll still have some little AA influence, but we'll see...

Tbh, I don't think Gaz would've got that worked up about what Noel's done with the tracks without some sort of reason, but in the end we'll probably see what happened in March...

In the meantime, can people just try and listen to some more of AA/FSOLs stuff? Their actual releases aren't just the same as the NG remixes that people are more familiar with, and I know not everyone likes everything, but they've released so much in the last 25 or so years, it's unlikely that anyone wouldn't be able to find something they'd enjoy listening to...

Just my opinion on why Noel is wise in doing this for the sake of music - just what I'd want from one of my favourite artists that's all, what's the point in this forum if we can't have diverse views?

I'm sorry, but how is this an issue?

I'm starting to think more and more that it was less about the mixes and more about the financials. I think Noel went into those sessions wanting to work with AA. Once they had an album done Noel probably thought, well it's time for release. AA were most likely advanced a copy of the credits and saw they were only receiving producing credits instead of writing credits. Noel refused to cede writing credits. AA threatened to sue if he released the AA album. So, rather than give up credit Noel scrapped it.

You know what?

That's within Noel's right. In fact, that's what he should do. He protected himself financially. This idea that since AA spent so much time and their effort was wasted so Noel is wrong is bullshit. Any artist has the right to pull the plug on any project no matter where it is in the process. You don't see DIV running around saying they were cheated. Any artist has that right. For the tomlivesforever 's of the world. If Beady Eye had done the same thing to Sitek, well you know what, it's within their right. I will always say this: MUSIC IS A BUSINESS. Some just don't get that. It's not what's "fair", it's protecting yourself and your entity and a songwriter and artist has the right to do so.

Honestly, I don't think it's manner of Noel using the songs from the AA sessions and re-working them. I think it's more that that AA album won't see the light of day. AA will never get a royalty they'll never get a credit. However, how is that different from DIV? The difference is DIV are professionals and understand that album sessions get scrapped all the time. AA were in line for a big payday and Noel took it away from them. Noel isn't required to release shit. They're HIS songs. They were HIRED to do a job. Noel wasn't satisfied with the job or the cost for the work. So he compensated for their time recording, end of. That is no different from any other work place. You don't continue to earn a salary for a job you've already been fired from because it's "fair" since you put five years in.

If Beady Eye decided that after five years with Sitek it just was't working and it wasn't financially feasible anymore, then fine by me. Scrap it. Protect yourself financially and creatively. As long as he's compensated for the work he did on the album then fine. But they wouldn't have to release shit nor would be obligated to. Nor would all of the sudden never be able to use the songs from the sessions again for fear maybe keeping the genesis for a bass lick or even structural concept in there. They have every right to use that song and take inspiration from those sessions. You don't go into the next session and say, you know what....Sitek thought of this groovy bass line that peaks in the chorus and then drives the songs till the end....and he was kind of playing around IV chord of the key of C. Naw, fuck it, we can't use that concept and make it our own. It wouldn't be "fair".

Music is a business. The only thing Noel did was treat it like one.

But regardless of their discography that is how they decided to go with their approach to Noel's album. I was intrigued by the possibility of the AA album until I heard the 2 songs they did for it. Now I'm glad that Noel isn't wasting any songs by releasing them in versions like that alone. It's meandering and almost a parody of psychedelia to me.

My guess is that Noel went back to his original demos when choosing the songs for this album and started from that point. I am almost positive that he wouldn't have been working from AA versions as source. I can imagine him swiping a production idea maybe. But I feel like he probably went back to his original lyrics, melody, and structure.

It sucks for AA that it didn't work out. But thems the breaks. If Noel wasn't happy with the songs...in the end he is the part of the team that I know I like the music of...I trust that I'll probably enjoy versions of the songs that he actually likes more.

Personally I would have rathered Noel had reigned them in MORE not less for WAL and SAHITS. They took his songs and made them theirs. It didnt seem much a collaborative album as much as Noel giving them songs to work with them and them throwing 90% in the garbage and noodling around with what remained and writing a bunch of other parts themselves.

The making of music is art. The releasing of it is a business.

Rest assured AA would have gotten more money of this NG release than anything else they have done and that has something to do with the level of their irritation. Of source they really wanted it to happen.

That first paragraph makes a lot of sense.

The rest of your post, too right - the nucleus of the work is Noel's, so its only fair that Noel has all the say on what he will do with it.

Like I said, its nothing against Amorphous Androgynous, I just want the best from Noel and I think this is the right way of doing it. Any legal wrangling with AA at the expense of the music is doing nobody any favours.

I wasn't saying Noel had done anything wrong more that if he had people here would think its fine because they think AA are 'shit'. Which is quite obviously rubbish

Also in regard to Liam or BE its obvious how if anything similar was suggested of them what the reaction would be here. That's not really speculation, Its been happening for years.

You don't really seem to have much idea about FSOL, I myself don't know a huge amount about there music but they have been going for 20 odd years, putting out what they like, when they like and the post in question doesn't seem to have anything to do with the bitterness of having the 'big payday' you imply. They are clearly not an act that has really ever been that bothered with the sales and chart positions that so occupy yourself. Music history is littered with those types of people.

You really have as much an idea of the actual situation as I do which is nothing. You have no idea of the work or creative input they put into the songs that may or may not be on the album so your obsessive defense of Noel like music lawyer is pretty irrelevant. Although it should be pointed out that someone can be underhanded and deceitful and yet still be operating within the laws.