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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 6:55:35 GMT -5
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Post by icebreath on Dec 16, 2014 7:30:57 GMT -5
Noel is a control freak. It's not something that we don't know already. He want to have the upper hand in everything he does. That's somewhat disappointing in my opinion, in terms of doing something different.
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Post by mossy on Dec 16, 2014 7:31:33 GMT -5
HANDBAGS AT DAWN!!
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 16, 2014 8:08:18 GMT -5
Oh so they wanted credits for producing it, not co-producing
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 16, 2014 8:12:37 GMT -5
Fuck Gaz.
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Post by matt on Dec 16, 2014 9:01:20 GMT -5
Not really following what this Gaz bloke is going on about here - can someone explain?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 16, 2014 9:06:37 GMT -5
Not really following what this Gaz bloke is going on about here - can someone explain? He's on acid again. The moment will pass and he can then make more records with a woman screaming in orgasmic pleasure.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 9:17:02 GMT -5
Not really following what this Gaz bloke is going on about here - can someone explain? He's on acid again. The moment will pass and he can then make more records with a woman screaming in orgasmic pleasure. he has a whole discography of eva's screaming orgasms that girl has talent
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 9:20:47 GMT -5
Not really following what this Gaz bloke is going on about here - can someone explain? Noel worked with the Amorphous Androgynous on an album, then Noel scrapped it because he 'didn't like the mixes', and now Noel's using some of those tracks for his new album (credited solely as NGHFB)... It sounds like the Amorphous Androgynous spent a lot of time working on this album, and now Noel's basically just disregarded what they've done and taken some of the tracks from them for himself. I know Noel's not exactly new to 'taking influence' from other people's work, but collaborating with someone and then taking the tracks for himself is kinda shallow, no matter what anyone may think of the Amorphous Androgynous' music
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 9:29:34 GMT -5
Not really following what this Gaz bloke is going on about here - can someone explain? He's on acid again. The moment will pass and he can then make more records with a woman screaming in orgasmic pleasure. Btw, am I the only one who sees the irony in an account called Lennon2217 criticising someone for being on acid....
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 16, 2014 9:32:43 GMT -5
If this is all true, then this could end nasty.
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Post by underneaththesky on Dec 16, 2014 9:51:00 GMT -5
he can moan about , and I agree with him. probably wasted long hours on this instead of working on his own music. but Noel gave him more publicity he could ever wish for
Noel was spot on, who still listens to those remixes (on the b sides)anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 9:57:53 GMT -5
he can moan about , and I agree with him. probably wasted long hours on this instead of working on his own music. but Noel gave him more publicity he could ever wish for Noel was spot on, who still listens to those remixes (on the b sides)anyway? True, they got some publicity out of it, but it looks like they don't think that it was all worth it in the end (Quote :'I ain't no ones bitch (at any cost)') Also, answering your question 'who still listens to those remixes?', I listen to them Actually, I think I've listened to Shoot a Hole Into the Sun more than any of the other songs on the NGHFB album...
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Post by maybedefinitely on Dec 16, 2014 10:06:49 GMT -5
As long as Noel wrote the songs, and owns the rights... and AA were paid for mixing those sessions, Noel Gallagher can do whatever the fck he wants.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 10:14:56 GMT -5
As long as Noel wrote the songs, and owns the rights... and AA were paid for mixing those sessions, Noel Gallagher can do whatever the fck he wants. He owns the rights, but the songs weren't just mixed by AA, they were largely written by AA... So even though legally Noel can release those songs without giving AA any royalties or much credit, it doesn't seem morally right to do it...
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Post by andymorris on Dec 16, 2014 10:16:02 GMT -5
well if he used elements of it, not ALL of it without touching it, it's co-producing, so that guy should just shut the fuck up
If he didnt touch the mixes, that's a different story. But i dont believe he did. Noel's always credited people for their work. And he gave them a lot of publicity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 10:20:28 GMT -5
well if he used elements of it, not ALL of it without touching it, it's co-producing, so that guy should just shut the fuck up If he didnt touch the mixes, that's a different story. But i dont believe he did. Noel's always credited people for their work. And he gave them a lot of publicity. 'Noel's always credited people for their work' Lol.... I'll believe that when I see T-Rex credited on Cigarettes and Alcohol....
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Post by carlober on Dec 16, 2014 10:26:59 GMT -5
Not sure if these credits are 100% accurate (they's off discogs.com), I can't check since I haven't got the singles here at the moment...
Shoot A Hole Into The Sun Mixed By – Paul 'Strangeboy' Stacey Producer – Amorphous Androgynous Written By – Brian Dougans, Garry Cobain, Noel Gallagher
AKA... What A Life! (The Amorphous Androgynous Remix) Producer – David Sardy, Noel Gallagher Remix – Amorphous Androgynous
So, the Amorphous Androgynous guys got full producer credits in SAHITS (and writer credits too), but only "Remix" for WAL. I don't know what this could mean...
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Post by andymorris on Dec 16, 2014 10:32:37 GMT -5
well if he used elements of it, not ALL of it without touching it, it's co-producing, so that guy should just shut the fuck up If he didnt touch the mixes, that's a different story. But i dont believe he did. Noel's always credited people for their work. And he gave them a lot of publicity. 'Noel's always credited people for their work' Lol.... Session wise yes, he did. He extensively talks about Strangeboy stacey, Sardy, Owen Morris... etc every Oasis fan know who they are, that's credit. Hell he even opened up Oasis to other songwriters. Who does that in other bands ? No one, or its crap, like Weezer. Bands are no democracy but when it comes to talking about other people input, Noel's not the last one. He praised those shite Amorphous Androgynous for years, giving them mass credit, again. Borrowing melodies and stuff dont count
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 16, 2014 10:32:53 GMT -5
Alright so let's say 2-3 tracks (The Right Stuff and Mighty I, then which ones?) come from the AA sessions I seriously doubt we'll hear those songs as they were supposed to be when the AA mixed them, maybe Noel took a few things from those sessions, it could be, but it's not like AA produced the whole fucking record And I'm pretty sure that if instead of Noel Gallagher this was some nearly unknown 20yrs old guy Gaz Cobain wouldn't have been that upset
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 10:34:12 GMT -5
Not sure if this credits are 100% accurate (they's off discogs.com), I haven't got the singles here at the moment... Shoot A Hole Into The SunMixed By – Paul 'Strangeboy' Stacey Producer – Amorphous Androgynous Written By – Brian Dougans, Garry Cobain, Noel Gallagher AKA... What A Life! (The Amorphous Androgynous Remix)Producer – David Sardy, Noel Gallagher Remix – Amorphous Androgynous So, the Amorphous Androgynous guys got full producer credits in SAHITS (and writer credits too), but only "Remix" for WAL. I don't know what this could mean... I think the remix of WAL was around the time when Noel was saying that he wasn't happy with the mixes and wanted them reworking, so I think the original remix of WAL was probably altered by Sardy afterwards
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 16, 2014 10:35:00 GMT -5
Not sure if these credits are 100% accurate (they's off discogs.com), I can't check since I haven't got the singles here at the moment... Shoot A Hole Into The SunMixed By – Paul 'Strangeboy' Stacey Producer – Amorphous Androgynous Written By – Brian Dougans, Garry Cobain, Noel Gallagher AKA... What A Life! (The Amorphous Androgynous Remix)Producer – David Sardy, Noel Gallagher Remix – Amorphous Androgynous So, the Amorphous Androgynous guys got full producer credits in SAHITS (and writer credits too), but only "Remix" for WAL. I don't know what this could mean... I think that's cause Noel has always said SAHITS was like a different song,different vocal melodies and all that, while WAL was just a remix of the track
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 11:04:51 GMT -5
'Noel's always credited people for their work' Lol.... Session wise yes, he did. He extensively talks about Strangeboy stacey, Sardy, Owen Morris... etc every Oasis fan know who they are, that's credit. Hell he even opened up Oasis to other songwriters. Who does that in other bands ? No one, or its crap, like Weezer. Bands are no democracy but when it comes to talking about other people input, Noel's not the last one. He praised those shite Amorphous Androgynous for years, giving them mass credit, again. Borrowing melodies and stuff dont count I think taking melodies & stuff does count as not giving credit where it should be. Also, I don't think Amorphous Androgynous are shite, their music just isn't the sort of genre that most people listen to.
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Post by matt on Dec 16, 2014 11:08:08 GMT -5
Not really following what this Gaz bloke is going on about here - can someone explain? Noel worked with the Amorphous Androgynous on an album, then Noel scrapped it because he 'didn't like the mixes', and now Noel's using some of those tracks for his new album (credited solely as NGHFB)... It sounds like the Amorphous Androgynous spent a lot of time working on this album, and now Noel's basically just disregarded what they've done and taken some of the tracks from them for himself. I know Noel's not exactly new to 'taking influence' from other people's work, but collaborating with someone and then taking the tracks for himself is kinda shallow, no matter what anyone may think of the Amorphous Androgynous' music There's posts of mine from a few years back suggesting that Noel should remix the Amorphous Androgynous mixes to a more conventional sound. Essentially keeping left field elements in but keeping it accessible - this is a great balance in my opinion. And to be brutally honest - I don't really care whether Noel's taken all the tracks for himself and reworked them because all I want is great music with a bit of excitement. If it sounds good to my ears, thats all that matters. And judging from previews of the album from sources, it seems he's taken the right path musically which is exciting to hear. This whole idea of Noel being a 'control freak' - I honestly wouldn't have it any other way. What flaws you also makes you great and you have to take the rough with the smooth. In fact, when he relinquishes his 'control freak' attitudes, the music is much worse, as we have seen with him allowing others to write with terrible contributions from Liam, Andy and Gem on latter Oasis albums, despite the fact Noel had material that was at least 10X better. Of course, not everything I agree with him on - I criticise Noel for being very safe, and I'm most critical of the fact that Dave Sardy let him be complacent with a backwards old fashioned sound - particularly with latter Oasis. If the songs are of high quality, I don't mind safe - and hence I love the High Flying Birds album - but there comes a time when you need to modernise the sound and Noel didn't do that in the 2000s. But you get the sense that with this forthcoming album, he is doing something which he has always had ambitions to do. But he is such an exceptional songwriter, that I feel that anything he does and anything he wants to do will be, for what he believes, the benefit of the music - and given his track record of being a superb songwriter, I have to back him and trust him on it. Reworking the Amorphous Androgynous tracks to reach as wide an audience as possible without losing that intrigue is the best thing he is doing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 11:20:22 GMT -5
Noel worked with the Amorphous Androgynous on an album, then Noel scrapped it because he 'didn't like the mixes', and now Noel's using some of those tracks for his new album (credited solely as NGHFB)... It sounds like the Amorphous Androgynous spent a lot of time working on this album, and now Noel's basically just disregarded what they've done and taken some of the tracks from them for himself. I know Noel's not exactly new to 'taking influence' from other people's work, but collaborating with someone and then taking the tracks for himself is kinda shallow, no matter what anyone may think of the Amorphous Androgynous' music There's posts of mine from a few years back suggesting that Noel should remix the Amorphous Androgynous mixes to a more conventional sound. Essentially keeping left field elements in but keeping it accessible - this is a great balance in my opinion. And to be brutally honest - I don't really care whether Noel's taken all the tracks for himself and reworked them because all I want is great music with a bit of excitement. If it sounds good to my ears, thats all that matters. This whole idea of Noel being a 'control freak' - I honestly wouldn't have it any other way. What flaws you also makes you great and you have to take the rough with the smooth. In fact, when he relinquishes his 'control freak' attitudes, the music is much worse, as we have seen with him allowing others to write with terrible contributions from Liam, Andy and Gem on latter Oasis albums, despite the fact Noel had material that was at least 10X better. I criticise Noel for being very safe - particularly with latter Oasis. If the songs are of high quality, I don't mind safe - and hence I love the High Flying Birds album - but there comes a time when you need to modernise the sound and Noel didn't do that in the 2000s. But you get the sense that with this forthcoming album, he is doing something which he has always had ambitions to do. But he is such an exceptional songwriter, that I feel that anything he does and anything he wants to do will be, for what he believes, the benefit of the music - and given his track record of being a superb songwriter, I have to back him and trust him on it. This is the exact thing that Gaz was criticising in the original Facebook post though; safe songwriters (generally with a lot of money) using unconventional songwriters (usually with nowhere near as much money) just to get extra credibility, and then quietly getting rid of them when they don't feel like they need them any more...
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