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Post by spaneli on Dec 16, 2014 14:00:11 GMT -5
Um, yea. MUSIC IS A BUSINESS. If it wasn't a business then I guess that means AA should work for free and not get royalties because you know, music isn't a businesses. Guess that means Noel is the right and next time AA do an album they should tell the artist they're working with, No we can't take royalties or credit. We're in for the love of music. Because as they say, music isn't a business. We'll work for free. Good job torpedoing you're entire argument. There's a massive difference between just making music just for the sake of money (business-minded), and making music with money just being something to keep the balance between costs/income of making music (not business-minded). Yes, but it's still a business the same. You're arguing intent, I'm arguing result. Both acts still result in a business. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 16, 2014 14:05:19 GMT -5
This album better not suck.
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Post by mossy on Dec 16, 2014 14:07:57 GMT -5
Maybe Gaz is angry enough to accidentally leak the AA album...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 16, 2014 14:09:52 GMT -5
Maybe Gaz is angry enough to accidentally leak the AA album... I double dog dare him!  |
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Post by Gas Panic on Dec 16, 2014 14:13:03 GMT -5
Maybe Gaz is angry enough to accidentally leak the AA album... Noel / Noel's people are probably calming him down as we speak so this very thing doesn't happen! Come on Gaz, let's get the album online asap |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 16, 2014 14:16:12 GMT -5
I wasn't saying Noel had done anything wrong more that if he had people here would think its fine because they think AA are 'shit'. Which is quite obviously rubbish Also in regard to Liam or BE its obvious how if anything similar was suggested of them what the reaction would be here. That's not really speculation, Its been happening for years. You don't really seem to have much idea about FSOL, I myself don't know a huge amount about there music but they have been going for 20 odd years, putting out what they like, when they like and the post in question doesn't seem to have anything to do with the bitterness of having the 'big payday' you imply. They are clearly not an act that has really ever been that bothered with the sales and chart positions that so occupy yourself. Music history is littered with those types of people. You really have as much an idea of the actual situation as I do which is nothing. You have no idea of the work or creative input they put into the songs that may or may not be on the album so your obsessive defense of Noel like music lawyer is pretty irrelevant. Although it should be pointed out that someone can be underhanded and deceitful and yet still be operating within the laws. Never said it hasn't happened to Beady Eye. What I said is that if Beady eye went down the same road as Noel then I wouldn't blame them. Nor would I find if underhanded. but once again you act as lead consul for Beady Eye, so I'll cede yo your judgment. Funny how you paint me as a defense for Noel, but of our posts in this thread, I'm the one who defended both. Guess who's slated against one, cough cough. Secondly, what in my post did I state as having knowing what the songs sound like or beinh in the know? Let me guess, no where. Where did I say I had intimate knowledge of their background? No where. I said that Noel as with any artist has the right now to protect themselves, as with beady eye. That's the only portion other than music as a business I claimed as fact. Even in your own post, you claim I imply. Not state. I made my opinion. And my opinion is that if Noel was acting in the best interest of himself and his creative control, then fine. Notice I said, if. In case you think I'm acting as defense attorney again. Just as, if, beady did the same, it would be fine. An artist has the right to protect their entity, not what is fair. And I believe, music history is littered with people who believe the same. Christ...you're hard work. If Beady Eye had a similar post about them from an artist the reaction would be different. It wouldn't be 'well AA are shit so i don't care' and dismiss it. Not a certifiable fact but not far away. I didn't to my knowledge say you would react like that and I'm not sure where I have slated Noel? Artists protecting themselves? Yeah they do...sooo? I have not taken the post the same as you clearly or certainly not with the same amount of 'what if's' that followed. Let us not forget that you tagged me in your post and but for that I probably wouldn't have responded to you at all. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 16, 2014 14:28:45 GMT -5
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Post by carlober on Dec 16, 2014 14:36:15 GMT -5
Maybe Gaz is angry enough to accidentally leak the AA album... Yes please! I've been looking for that album since the press conference in July 2011. My interest cooled down a bit after hearing the two released tracks, but I still want to hear the full thing. C'm on Gaz, leak it!!  |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 16, 2014 14:44:10 GMT -5
Never said it hasn't happened to Beady Eye. What I said is that if Beady eye went down the same road as Noel then I wouldn't blame them. Nor would I find if underhanded. but once again you act as lead consul for Beady Eye, so I'll cede yo your judgment. Funny how you paint me as a defense for Noel, but of our posts in this thread, I'm the one who defended both. Guess who's slated against one, cough cough. Secondly, what in my post did I state as having knowing what the songs sound like or beinh in the know? Let me guess, no where. Where did I say I had intimate knowledge of their background? No where. I said that Noel as with any artist has the right now to protect themselves, as with beady eye. That's the only portion other than music as a business I claimed as fact. Even in your own post, you claim I imply. Not state. I made my opinion. And my opinion is that if Noel was acting in the best interest of himself and his creative control, then fine. Notice I said, if. In case you think I'm acting as defense attorney again. Just as, if, beady did the same, it would be fine. An artist has the right to protect their entity, not what is fair. And I believe, music history is littered with people who believe the same. Christ...you're hard work. If Beady Eye had a similar post about them from an artist the reaction would be different. It wouldn't be 'well AA are shit so i don't care' and dismiss it. Not a certifiable fact but not far away. I didn't to my knowledge say you would react like that and I'm not sure where I have slated Noel? Artists protecting themselves? Yeah they do...sooo? I have not taken the post the same as you clearly or certainly not with the same amount of 'what if's' that followed. Let us not forget that you tagged me in your post and but for that I probably wouldn't have responded to you at all. I wanted your response. You don't post enough anymore  |
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Post by maybedefinitely on Dec 16, 2014 14:44:47 GMT -5
As long as Noel wrote the songs, and owns the rights... and AA were paid for mixing those sessions, Noel Gallagher can do whatever the fck he wants. He owns the rights, but the songs weren't just mixed by AA, they were largely written by AA... So even though legally Noel can release those songs without giving AA any royalties or much credit, it doesn't seem morally right to do it... Were AA brought in to write songs? Or were they brought in to mix songs?... If they were brought in and paid by Noel to take his songs and f around with them, aside from a songwriting credit, they don't get a dime for it other then there studio time, which they would have charged for. It might not seem fair, or morally right... but whoever owns the rights to the song can do whatever they want. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 16, 2014 14:49:06 GMT -5
I'd still like to hear the AA project. Sure I didn't like their version of What A Life but I did love the work on Shoot A Hole Into The Sun. Good job right there.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 16, 2014 14:55:09 GMT -5
Christ...you're hard work. If Beady Eye had a similar post about them from an artist the reaction would be different. It wouldn't be 'well AA are shit so i don't care' and dismiss it. Not a certifiable fact but not far away. I didn't to my knowledge say you would react like that and I'm not sure where I have slated Noel? Artists protecting themselves? Yeah they do...sooo? I have not taken the post the same as you clearly or certainly not with the same amount of 'what if's' that followed. Let us not forget that you tagged me in your post and but for that I probably wouldn't have responded to you at all. I wanted your response. You don't post enough anymore Haha sure you did.... |
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Post by Let It🩸 on Dec 16, 2014 15:17:03 GMT -5
This thread is fucking awesome...
Thanks.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 16, 2014 15:33:03 GMT -5
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Dec 16, 2014 15:49:20 GMT -5
"Gaz" is obviously another Steve Sillyshite. Partook in an unsuccessful project and got sour about it. Diddums.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 16, 2014 17:20:27 GMT -5
Saying that Gaz should get songwriting credits on CY because he at some point worked on versions of them is like saying he should have gotten credit for IIHAG, TDOYAM, and WAL from HFB1 because the AA album work on versions of those. And we all know how close IIHAG was to SAHITS. I would imagine that these versions of the songs that AA worked on are about as close to the AA versions as that. Does anyone think the AA should have a credit on IIHAG?
So I don't think he should be morally or legally obliged to credit them if that is the case.
As for it being "fair" that Noel should release what the AA did. No way. It was his project and he didn't like the product they delivered. People criticize when Oasis/Noel/BDI release poor products with reason, because in the end it's there decision that it was worth selling to their fans, but at least they give the impression that at least at the time they liked it.
I would be very disappointed if BDI or Noel started releasing things that even they don't like. The ultimate insult to you fanbase IMHO.
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Dec 16, 2014 17:23:36 GMT -5
it would be like paul stangeboy getting a songwriting credit for stop the clocks
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Post by vito81 on Dec 16, 2014 17:33:31 GMT -5
This thread is fucking awesome... Thanks. No. Eva and her sexual adventures (told by Webcat & you) are fuckin' awesome. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 16, 2014 17:52:05 GMT -5
Maybe Gaz is angry enough to accidentally leak the AA album... Despite obsessively wanting to hear the album, I hope this does not happen. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 16, 2014 17:59:06 GMT -5
Maybe Gaz is angry enough to accidentally leak the AA album... Despite obsessively wanting to hear the album, I hope this does not happen. Noel's legal team would destroy him. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 16, 2014 18:03:32 GMT -5
Despite obsessively wanting to hear the album, I hope this does not happen. Noel's legal team would destroy him. Absolutely. |
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Post by icebreath on Dec 16, 2014 18:05:53 GMT -5
Despite obsessively wanting to hear the album, I hope this does not happen. would destroy him. You mean spaneli and gdforever |
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Post by vito81 on Dec 16, 2014 18:06:55 GMT -5
Noel's legal team would destroy him. You mean spaneli and gdforever Yeah, and Frankie Lomax. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 16, 2014 18:22:30 GMT -5
You mean spaneli and gdforever Yeah, and Frankie Lomax. should be made to walk the Earth in shame like Jacob Marley in "A Christmas Carol" but not a cool version of Jacob, I want him to be the lame Disney one because he's a fool just like the character that played him.  |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Dec 16, 2014 18:24:08 GMT -5
Saying that Gaz should get songwriting credits on CY because he at some point worked on versions of them is like saying he should have gotten credit for IIHAG, TDOYAM, and WAL from HFB1 because the AA album work on versions of those. And we all know how close IIHAG was to SAHITS. I would imagine that these versions of the songs that AA worked on are about as close to the AA versions as that. Does anyone think the AA should have a credit on IIHAG?So I don't think he should be morally or legally obliged to credit them if that is the case. As for it being "fair" that Noel should release what the AA did. No way. It was his project and he didn't like the product they delivered. People criticize when Oasis/Noel/BDI release poor products with reason, because in the end it's there decision that it was worth selling to their fans, but at least they give the impression that at least at the time they liked it. I would be very disappointed if BDI or Noel started releasing things that even they don't like. The ultimate insult to you fanbase IMHO. Not really. 'If I Had A Gun', 'The Death Of You And Me' and 'What A Life', we're written prior to Amorphous Androgynous remixing them for a collaboration album. I'd imagine several tracks for 'Chasing Yesterday' we're written, worked and developed during these sessions possibly with significant input by Amorphous Androgynous. Whether they deserve a contribution on certain songs (I'm speculating that 'The Right Stuff' could be one of them) or not depends on the significance of their contribution. I'd be amazed if the version of 'Chasing Yesterday' being released next year would sound quite like it does without the Amorphous Androgynous sessions having happened. |
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