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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 7, 2014 5:00:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm fully aware of leak4ever, mate.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 7, 2014 5:01:11 GMT -5
You're a tetchy one aren't you.
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Post by LlAM on Nov 7, 2014 6:25:20 GMT -5
Well FOTF is old and wasn't considered for DGSS or Oasis. Gem's The Roller was better than quite a few of the Oasis songs put out on HC and beyond. Noel had songs that didn't get consideration for DOYS and has just finished a Lock All The Doors for this record! Liam might have nothing but he might have a lot of demo's around that need finishing or tinkering. Judging from what he has said before and what we've heard about how much he writes it would be reasonable to assume he has a few knocking about. I still don't understand how "The Roller" couldn't land on Heathen Chemistry or Don't Believe The Truth. It's too strong to be left on the sidelines until 2011!  I have a feeling Noel "dummed" Andy and Gem down for his own benefit. Imagine Andy or Gem having one of the best songs on an album and not Noel? Another strong case is Four Letter Word; It's such an obvious Oasis lead single... but it wasn't written by Noel so it was rejected... |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Nov 7, 2014 14:27:32 GMT -5
I still don't understand how "The Roller" couldn't land on Heathen Chemistry or Don't Believe The Truth. It's too strong to be left on the sidelines until 2011! I have a feeling Noel "dummed" Andy and Gem down for his own benefit. Imagine Andy or Gem having one of the best songs on an album and not Noel? Another strong case is Four Letter Word; It's such an obvious Oasis lead single... but it wasn't written by Noel so it was rejected... Even if they had used all the good stuff from Andy and Gem, Noel would still have had the best song on each album (Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Lyla, Falling Down and others). |
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Post by spaneli on Nov 7, 2014 15:26:08 GMT -5
I still don't understand how "The Roller" couldn't land on Heathen Chemistry or Don't Believe The Truth. It's too strong to be left on the sidelines until 2011! I have a feeling Noel "dummed" Andy and Gem down for his own benefit. Imagine Andy or Gem having one of the best songs on an album and not Noel? Another strong case is Four Letter Word; It's such an obvious Oasis lead single... but it wasn't written by Noel so it was rejected... I can imagine, it's called Don't be the Truth and the song is Turn up the Sun. And I honestly think the To Be Where There's Life would have been one of the strongest songs on DOYS if not for the dumb toy sitar. Which when Noel was asked about the live version that only had guitars his response was essentially, I don't tell people to do with their own material. If To Be Where There's Life was more guitar based instead of trying to be a Beatles knock off, then it would have been an extremely strong song. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 7, 2014 15:31:54 GMT -5
I still think TBWTL is one of the strongest songs on DOYS and I don't get the hate it gets. People always say the second half of DOYS is bad, but to me this song is miles ahead of some shit like TNOR. I'm not that bothered by the toy sitar or the fact it sounds like The Beatles, which it only slightly does. It's not like it's a rip off and if it's done well, who cares
Turn Up The Sun is easily the best thing Andy has done in Oasis and one of the best songs on DBTT. Not sure if it's the best though. It's also a great album opener IMO.
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Post by Manualex on Nov 7, 2014 15:59:55 GMT -5
The issue with me and TBWTL is the lenght, it feels repetitive, but then there's AGN and that's on another tier of sameness(is that a word?)  |
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Post by spaneli on Nov 7, 2014 16:25:04 GMT -5
We'll never what form it was in or the progression it took from HC to DGSS. Before horns were put on FOTF would any have chosen it as an album track? Maybe as something to be developed, which appears to have happened multiple times, but not as an outright album track based on an acoustic performance alone. I agree with FOTF definitely, the horns are pretty big part of the finish studio song and while the band I think said they wanted the horns on it maybe it hadn't occurred to them before. I may be being ignorant but with The Roller I just imagine the demo having acoustic guitar and piano, I don't know it just seems like it would have. It was formed well enough for Noel to praise it. And look at the songs Noel has chosen to praise lately. Not really the cream of the crop. Even something as simple as the roller with an acoustic and a piano, there's a chance that say the melody to the verse was different or even the chorus. We just got the She's Electric demo and that featured a verse with different chords. Over the life of a song, especially over a few years, things are bound to change. In the end, we'll never know unless it's released. We wouldn't have known with she's electric if it hadn't been released. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 7, 2014 16:41:15 GMT -5
Apparently Wonderwall sounded different too, with a very busy bassline and a slightly different beat. I would love to hear that.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 7, 2014 19:09:36 GMT -5
I agree with FOTF definitely, the horns are pretty big part of the finish studio song and while the band I think said they wanted the horns on it maybe it hadn't occurred to them before. I may be being ignorant but with The Roller I just imagine the demo having acoustic guitar and piano, I don't know it just seems like it would have. It was formed well enough for Noel to praise it. And look at the songs Noel has chosen to praise lately. Not really the cream of the crop. Even something as simple as the roller with an acoustic and a piano, there's a chance that say the melody to the verse was different or even the chorus. We just got the She's Electric demo and that featured a verse with different chords. Over the life of a song, especially over a few years, things are bound to change. In the end, we'll never know unless it's released. We wouldn't have known with she's electric if it hadn't been released. Didn't Noel praise it over a decade ago? But yeah we will never know. We are all speculating a bit. |
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Post by leak4ever on Nov 7, 2014 22:49:57 GMT -5
Or he has grown more as a songwriter since the release of BE and has written a few great ones. This is a bit unlikely and unfortunately I have to agree with your post, although I think you could have phrased it a bit differently. *sings* Why you gotta be so ruuuuude? Liam has consistently written some decent tunes. I see no reason why he can't write some more. He will definitely need a guiding hand though. I don't know if you have seen leak4ever before mate but he's one of the most boring troll around. Unfortunately he keeps turning up. Lol you call me troll then basically agree with what I said. I agree that Liam has written some decent songs, but not great or even good ones. And yet you think he can make it by himself with his 'decent' songwriting skills. I'm sorry but talented songwriters write good songs, not decent ones. Heck even I could write a decent song, but I'm not gonna call myself a talented songwriter. What's crystal clear is that while Liam can come up with the odd idea, he needs a lot of help to turn them into songs. Without the help from primarily Gem, Liam's tunes would have no place on a commercially released album. You know this is true. Does this sound like a talented songwriter to you? |
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Post by leak4ever on Nov 7, 2014 22:52:15 GMT -5
I still don't understand how "The Roller" couldn't land on Heathen Chemistry or Don't Believe The Truth. It's too strong to be left on the sidelines until 2011! I have a feeling Noel "dummed" Andy and Gem down for his own benefit. Imagine Andy or Gem having one of the best songs on an album and not Noel? Another strong case is Four Letter Word; It's such an obvious Oasis lead single... but it wasn't written by Noel so it was rejected... Pretty sure Noel was a major ass to work with at times. |
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Post by leak4ever on Nov 7, 2014 22:57:12 GMT -5
I still think TBWTL is one of the strongest songs on DOYS and I don't get the hate it gets. People always say the second half of DOYS is bad, but to me this song is miles ahead of some shit like TNOR. I'm not that bothered by the toy sitar or the fact it sounds like The Beatles, which it only slightly does. It's not like it's a rip off and if it's done well, who cares Turn Up The Sun is easily the best thing Andy has done in Oasis and one of the best songs on DBTT. Not sure if it's the best though. It's also a great album opener IMO. TNOR is one of the worst songs in recorded music history so bettering it is almost default. TUTS on the other hand is one of the best post 2000 Oasis songs |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 7, 2014 23:19:56 GMT -5
Liam has consistently written some decent tunes. I see no reason why he can't write some more. He will definitely need a guiding hand though. I don't know if you have seen leak4ever before mate but he's one of the most boring troll around. Unfortunately he keeps turning up. Lol you call me troll then basically agree with what I said. I agree that Liam has written some decent songs, but not great or even good ones. And yet you think he can make it by himself with his 'decent' songwriting skills. I'm sorry but talented songwriters write good songs, not decent ones. Heck even I could write a decent song, but I'm not gonna call myself a talented songwriter. What's crystal clear is that while Liam can come up with the odd idea, he needs a lot of help to turn them into songs. Without the help from primarily Gem, Liam's tunes would have no place on a commercially released album. You know this is true. Does this sound like a talented songwriter to you? Firstly, you are a troll. Not a good one but a troll all the same. Secondly, yes I think Liam has talent as a songwriter and by decent I mean good. Is he great? No, he's written a few really good songs and I think he is capable of putting out a good album. Which after all is what I'm looking for. Gem has certainly helped Liam as has Andy, that's not to say he is incapable of working on his own tunes. You don't actually know what input they have had if any in some of his songs. |
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Post by spaneli on Nov 8, 2014 18:13:06 GMT -5
And look at the songs Noel has chosen to praise lately. Not really the cream of the crop. Even something as simple as the roller with an acoustic and a piano, there's a chance that say the melody to the verse was different or even the chorus. We just got the She's Electric demo and that featured a verse with different chords. Over the life of a song, especially over a few years, things are bound to change. In the end, we'll never know unless it's released. We wouldn't have known with she's electric if it hadn't been released. Didn't Noel praise it over a decade ago? But yeah we will never know. We are all speculating a bit. When I said lately, I kinda meant in the last decade With STC and LTBL and a few others. |
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Post by leak4ever on Nov 11, 2014 1:36:29 GMT -5
Lol you call me troll then basically agree with what I said. I agree that Liam has written some decent songs, but not great or even good ones. And yet you think he can make it by himself with his 'decent' songwriting skills. I'm sorry but talented songwriters write good songs, not decent ones. Heck even I could write a decent song, but I'm not gonna call myself a talented songwriter. What's crystal clear is that while Liam can come up with the odd idea, he needs a lot of help to turn them into songs. Without the help from primarily Gem, Liam's tunes would have no place on a commercially released album. You know this is true. Does this sound like a talented songwriter to you? Firstly, you are a troll. Not a good one but a troll all the same. Secondly, yes I think Liam has talent as a songwriter and by decent I mean good. Is he great? No, he's written a few really good songs and I think he is capable of putting out a good album. Which after all is what I'm looking for. Gem has certainly helped Liam as has Andy, that's not to say he is incapable of working on his own tunes. You don't actually know what input they have had if any in some of his songs. That's right. Sorry, I forgot that in the world of tomlivesforever, anyone who says a bad word about Liam is automatically a troll. Yeah, I guess I am a troll then…along with every other person who doesn't worship Liam. You may think he's the best songwriter ever, but your opinion means sweet f*ck all when the rest of the world couldn't give a sh*t about his music. If you want him to release an album that's gonna immediately bomb and further damage his inflated ego, then he can definitely accomplish that. Nothing I've seen from him during Oasis or Beady Eye suggests that he can produce anything that will be anything other than a total commercial failure. Even if we disregard all information we know about various contributions from other members (which there is a lot, you need to read more), the fact is that Liam is a very limited musician. He can probably strum basic chords on a guitar, but he's not gonna write any guitar riffs or solos. So if he wants to write a rock album, he will need a lot of help. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 11, 2014 2:34:55 GMT -5
leak4ever, we got your opinion about liam gallagher. Now stop acting like a child who'is crying out loud at front of his mum for attention. Move on. Same to tomlivesforever.
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Post by leak4ever on Nov 17, 2014 10:16:47 GMT -5
leak4ever, we got your opinion about liam gallagher. Now stop acting like a child who'is crying out loud at front of his mum for attention. Move on. Same to tomlivesforever. What do you think my opinion of Liam Gallagher is? |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 17, 2014 10:41:58 GMT -5
Is there a possibility to actually block people on here? No reason, just wondering.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 17, 2014 10:52:21 GMT -5
Wake me up when its all over........zzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 17, 2014 10:59:58 GMT -5
Is there a possibility to actually block people on here? No reason, just wondering. Yes, it is. Go to your profile and there's an option you can block annoyed member. Wish I could block certain members... (not directed at you, The Doctor of course) |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 17, 2014 11:08:30 GMT -5
Is there a possibility to actually block people on here? No reason, just wondering. Yes, it is. Go to your profile and there's an option you can block annoyed member. Wish I could block certain members... (not directed at you, The Doctor of course) Thanks, that is amazing. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 17, 2014 11:10:19 GMT -5
Time to move on for some Oasis "fans". Acting like a broken record, keeping back to the same topic again and again is very tiring for your fellow members and annoying, so I'll close this thread now.
Cheers.
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