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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 2, 2014 16:44:44 GMT -5
A flop in his eyes, not mine! My definition of a flop would be totally different so no point in me answering that, I'd have loved a 3rd album! I think you're disillusioned if you can't see that's why they aren't bothering to continue. Based on what evidence? Fact of the matter is that we're in the dark right now. Leaping to conclusions with such certainty is far more delusional than mere speculation. Liam's made some comments, sure, but even long after those comments, even after he realized BE was another flop, he kept up his enthusiasm for what little they did tour before the tragedies hit. Why not give up then? Why not call it quits a year ago? 6 months ago? Plenty of time to do it. It's not like BE would suddenly have burst into popularity 6 months after any hype had fizzled out. So I'll state again, Liam doesn't strike me as delusional. So why would he assume that BE would suddenly be a success? I don't think anyone was expecting it to reach Noel figures pre-release, we were just hoping it to be an improvement on sales. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 2, 2014 16:51:42 GMT -5
First of all, what constitutes a flop? Liam considered DGSS to be a flop, so why would he assume BE would be a sudden success? Liam doesn't strike me as being delusional. Lol. Despite not being able to sing very well anymore and being an average to above average (at the very very best) songwriter, he thought he could take on his older brother, a genuine songwriting legend. No, he's not delusional in the slightest! Just accept it - Liam is a limelight whore. He has been for his entire career and continues to be one. And you think the best way for Liam to get into the limelight is by cutting his ties with a band that still achieves headlines, is pushed by former members of Oasis and people he trusts? That's just absurd. |
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Post by Jgrp on Nov 2, 2014 16:52:30 GMT -5
LOL! I'm not going to go over and over it, I think you're in denial to be honest or a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
Leak4ever got it spot on.
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Post by leak4ever on Nov 2, 2014 16:52:33 GMT -5
It's only not clear for Liam fans. For every other sane person in this world (or who gives a shit), it's very clear what's gone on here. I'm tired of trying to piece things together for others. Do it yourself. If you can't figure it out despite all the clues slapping you in the face then I can't help you. Trust me, I'm not the type of "Liam fan" you're describing. If I had to bet on it, I'd say Liam caused the split. But I'm withholding judgment when the only evidence we have is a single tweet from the wife of one of the band members (not exactly an impartial source). And as I said, Andy's retweet would seem to indicate that the breakup was *not* acrimonious. Fair enough, I wasn't directing it at you. Even if we forget about the tweet, how this situation has been handled has been ridiculous. Just like the entire career of BDI. |
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Post by leak4ever on Nov 2, 2014 16:55:52 GMT -5
Lol. Despite not being able to sing very well anymore and being an average to above average (at the very very best) songwriter, he thought he could take on his older brother, a genuine songwriting legend. No, he's not delusional in the slightest! Just accept it - Liam is a limelight whore. He has been for his entire career and continues to be one. And you think the best way for Liam to get into the limelight is by cutting his ties with a band that still achieves headlines, is pushed by former members of Oasis and people he trusts? That's just absurd. You make it sound like Liam would hesitate being a dick to other people, for his own gains. Ask Nicole what she thinks about it. |
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 2, 2014 16:56:08 GMT -5
Trust me, I'm not the type of "Liam fan" you're describing. If I had to bet on it, I'd say Liam caused the split. But I'm withholding judgment when the only evidence we have is a single tweet from the wife of one of the band members (not exactly an impartial source). And as I said, Andy's retweet would seem to indicate that the breakup was *not* acrimonious. Fair enough, I wasn't directing it at you. Even if we forget about the tweet, how this situation has been handled has been ridiculous. Just like the entire career of BDI. so guess was at me then, i didn't disagree with what you said but very different saying BDI career been handled ridiculous vs just blaming liam |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 2, 2014 16:56:40 GMT -5
LOL! I'm not going to go over and over it, I think you're in denial to be honest or a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Leak4ever got it spot on. In other words, you have no argument. Okay, I understand. |
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Post by Jgrp on Nov 2, 2014 16:58:41 GMT -5
I've said my bit. Not going to keep repeating my opinion which is based on factual information. Don't think you've won an argument when this isn't even an argument you idiot.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 2, 2014 16:59:01 GMT -5
And you think the best way for Liam to get into the limelight is by cutting his ties with a band that still achieves headlines, is pushed by former members of Oasis and people he trusts? That's just absurd. You make it sound like Liam would hesitate being a dick to other people, for his own gains. Ask Nicole what she thinks about it. What's this have to do with Liam being a dick? Unless he has any immediate plans, the split will give him a few more weeks of fame before he sinks further into obscurity. |
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Post by xo0oo0ox on Nov 2, 2014 16:59:27 GMT -5
Even if we forget about the tweet, how this situation has been handled has been ridiculous. Just like the entire career of BDI. Indeed, I knew their fate was sealed once this publicity shot made it out the door   |
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 2, 2014 17:00:12 GMT -5
Fair enough, I wasn't directing it at you. Even if we forget about the tweet, how this situation has been handled has been ridiculous. Just like the entire career of BDI. so guess was at me then, i didn't disagree with what you said but very different saying BDI career been handled ridiculous vs just blaming liam let it go.. he cheated on all his partners, he was with PATSY when he cheated with NICOLE so as good old JEZZA KYLE says you get with a guy that cheats to be with you he'll do it again .. and obv he's right as liam did |
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 2, 2014 17:01:23 GMT -5
I've said my bit. Not going to keep repeating my opinion which is based on factual information. Don't think you've won an argument when this isn't even an argument you idiot. What factual information did you bring sorry? |
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Post by Jgrp on Nov 2, 2014 17:04:06 GMT -5
He told Q magazine: "If we're barking up the wrong tree with this record, I don't know if I can be arsed barking up it again."
THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENED. END OF.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 2, 2014 17:04:17 GMT -5
I've said my bit. Not going to keep repeating my opinion which is based on factual information. Don't think you've won an argument when this isn't even an argument you idiot. What factual information? I didn't think I won any argument. I only asserted that you no longer had an argument based on your avoidance to answer the question and use of insult. |
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 2, 2014 17:08:21 GMT -5
He told Q magazine: "If we're barking up the wrong tree with this record, I don't know if I can be arsed barking up it again." THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENED. END OF. YES SO THATS FINE BUT YOU SAID [ quote author=" Jgrp" source="/post/1146197/thread" timestamp="1414960259"]Liam couldn't deal with the low profile/ low success Beady Eye had compared to oasis and NGHFB. The NGHFB tour selling out under 10 mins was the icing on the cake. This is why Beady Eye split. Pretty simple. [/quote] So he'd of thrown in the towel 8 months ago not now as a retort to noel now as the album was dead and buried a year ago |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 2, 2014 17:09:10 GMT -5
He told Q magazine: "If we're barking up the wrong tree with this record, I don't know if I can be arsed barking up it again." THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENED. END OF. I'm well aware of the statement. Have been for some time. Which begs the question...why now? Did it really take him a year to figure out that BE was a failure? And my position is less on whether or not this is in fact the case. It's your insistence and declaration that IT IS the case which bothers me. It's called being intellectually dishonest. You're claiming certainty without providing the sufficient support for certainty. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 2, 2014 17:19:16 GMT -5
Jesus Christ. I typed the word "last" twice in my last reply. Ah well, too lazy too correct it.
Oh, and some people here could learn a lesson or two about respect.
Also, no one knows anything about this breakup, the fact Liam is a pathologic cheater isn't relevant to this situation at all, and there's absolutely no need for calling each other names, which is a sign of weakness by the way.
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Post by leak4ever on Nov 2, 2014 17:21:01 GMT -5
Even if we forget about the tweet, how this situation has been handled has been ridiculous. Just like the entire career of BDI. Indeed, I knew their fate was sealed once this publicity shot made it out the door Ok, I was wrong. That's the reason BDI split. Good God... |
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Post by xo0oo0ox on Nov 2, 2014 17:21:58 GMT -5
He told Q magazine: "If we're barking up the wrong tree with this record, I don't know if I can be arsed barking up it again." THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENED. END OF. And if you recall, a few weeks later... |
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 2, 2014 17:30:06 GMT -5
He told Q magazine: "If we're barking up the wrong tree with this record, I don't know if I can be arsed barking up it again." THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENED. END OF. And if you recall, a few weeks later... LOL!, I think he's in denial to be honest or a few sandwiches short of a picnic. xo0oo0ox got it spot on. |
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Post by leak4ever on Nov 2, 2014 17:33:08 GMT -5
Fair enough, I wasn't directing it at you. Even if we forget about the tweet, how this situation has been handled has been ridiculous. Just like the entire career of BDI. so guess was at me then, i didn't disagree with what you said but very different saying BDI career been handled ridiculous vs just blaming liam Let's just agree that we are having this discussion due to the incompetency of BDI or BDI's management. And as fans, it's ridiculous that we should have to even speculate about such things. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 2, 2014 17:34:22 GMT -5
so guess was at me then, i didn't disagree with what you said but very different saying BDI career been handled ridiculous vs just blaming liam Let's just agree that we are having this discussion due to the incompetency of BDI or BDI's management. And as fans, it's ridiculous that we should have to even speculate about such things. I agree with you on this. |
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Post by leak4ever on Nov 2, 2014 17:40:41 GMT -5
Let's just agree that we are having this discussion due to the incompetency of BDI or BDI's management. And as fans, it's ridiculous that we should have to even speculate about such things. I agree with you on this. At least us fans can agree on something. |
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 2, 2014 17:40:47 GMT -5
so guess was at me then, i didn't disagree with what you said but very different saying BDI career been handled ridiculous vs just blaming liam Let's just agree that we are having this discussion due to the incompetency of BDI or BDI's management. And as fans, it's ridiculous that we should have to even speculate about such things. i think the way its been handled is ridiculous they not got many fans left and the ones they have this split shown no respect to them. Don't worry like i said i pretty much agree with your views and probably its liam that probably said "whatever its not worked lets call it a day' just unfair to tar him with the way its been handled when there was 4 grown men in this 'equal' band cos he tweeted it.. but yes 'the band / mgt to blame' |
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Post by leak4ever on Nov 2, 2014 17:43:51 GMT -5
Let's just agree that we are having this discussion due to the incompetency of BDI or BDI's management. And as fans, it's ridiculous that we should have to even speculate about such things. i think the way its been handled is ridiculous they not got many fans left and the ones they have this split shown no respect to them. Don't worry like i said i pretty much agree with your views and probably its liam that probably said "whatever its not worked lets call it a day' just unfair to tar him with the way its been handled when there was 4 grown men in this 'equal' band cos he tweeted it.. but yes 'the band / mgt to blame' As Noel said himself, people criticised him for being over controlling. But he controlled them all the way to the top. BDI badly needed some proper guidance. |
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