redlandsman87
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 22, 2013 20:11:06 GMT -5
A friend and I recently were trying to think of legendary American bands/musicians that rank among the best of the best, the cream of the crop.
Brits have, of course, The Beatles. The Stones. The Who, Kink's, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, The La's, Oasis, Cream, The Moody Blues, The Jam/Weller, Queen, etc etc.
Now, in comparison, we tried to think of US bands that either a) matched the success of The Beatles in terms of critical acclaim or b) were at least ranked fairly evenly with their contemporaries. Bands with a (mostly) "perfect" string of records or entire discographies. Bands that are UNIVERSALLY loved by all. Sure, Lyn Skyd was successful...but not a "Beatles" level band. Solo artists (such as Dylan or Elvis) we didn't count, because that's an entirely different ball park, and bands that are legendary on their own accord (CCR, Byrds) but who had their share of "crap" releases and eventual critical backlash we didn't take into consideration. Or, were ONLY successful stateside.
What we could think of? Only four. The Beach Boys, The Doors, The Eagles and Metallica.
Nirvana is a very close consideration, but we decided against it because he has a VERY large number of detractors and, in our opinion, his "legend" was self-orchestrated due to suicide.
Van Halen was __this__ close to being listed, but since a majority of the band weren't natural born American citizens, we ruled them out, despite being a great Dutch-American Band.
The Jackson 5 was also considered...but we figured this wasn't valid because the majority know the J5 as being a vehicle for MJ, not for their huge string of hits (I can count...four) or critical success.
Other close contenders who didn't "quite" make the bar, who we consider "lesser" bands, despite massive success ...
- Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers
- Bruce Springsteen/E Street Band
- The Grateful Dead
- Guns N' Roses (because Axl turned them into a joke)
So...that again leaves us with The Beach Boys, The Doors, The Eagles and Metallica. The four big'uns who could *seriously* compete with The Beatles. The ones who adorn thousands of t-shirts, posters, etc, the ones who are household names all around the world.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jan 22, 2013 20:18:30 GMT -5
the Eagles fucking suck. later day Metallica is awful, they shouldn't be on that list.
the detest/dislike for Nirvana to this day baffles me, ask anyone in their mid thirties and older and they'll be on a best of bands list.
God bless.
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 22, 2013 20:21:16 GMT -5
Fuck off, The Eagles are amazing. Why do you think such...?
You can't deny the influence of Metallica from Reload and under. Sure, past St. Anger, they've had flops, but their longevity as a band allows this.
Being a certain age doesn't make a band any more viable or likable. Nirvana was, par for course, a band with handful of decent songs who otherwise produced dullard shit.
Ask any forties/fifties aged person and the Eagles will be on every "best of" list. Your point being..?
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jan 22, 2013 20:30:13 GMT -5
Fuck off, The Eagles are amazing. Why do you think so...? You can't deny the influence of Metallica from Reload and under. Sure, past St. Anger, they've had flops, but their longevity as a band allows this. Being a certain age doesn't make a band any more viable or likable. Nirvana was, par for course, a band with handful of decent songs who otherwise produced dullard shit. you said you were younger, if i remember correctly. your dislike for Nirvana is a common opinion amongst kids your age. i don't know what it is, maybe you guys were raised on the wrong cartoons or snacked on the wrong crayons, i don't know. i'm not an Eagles fan, cheesy rock to me. one of my versions of hell is listening to Hotel California over and over. Metallica were good til and including the Black album and even then i wouldn't put them amongst the best American bands. God bless. |
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 22, 2013 20:30:47 GMT -5
You missed four vital bands I think: The Band, Foo Fighters, Nirvana, and Pearl Jam. I believe the Band is one of the greatest bands of all time. Foo Fighters is also amazing. Nirvana is without a doubt a great band. And although I'm not the biggest fan of Pearl Jam, they're extremely influential and I know they're a great band. Just my opinion though.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jan 22, 2013 20:32:12 GMT -5
Ask any forties/fifties aged person and the Eagles will be on every "best of" list. Your point being..? the Dude does not like the Eagles and he's in his forties/fifties and he's probably the coolest human being ever. God bless. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 20:32:58 GMT -5
The Velvet Underground. Maybe not success wise but they have a legendary status.
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 22, 2013 20:36:35 GMT -5
Fuck off, The Eagles are amazing. Why do you think so...? You can't deny the influence of Metallica from Reload and under. Sure, past St. Anger, they've had flops, but their longevity as a band allows this. Being a certain age doesn't make a band any more viable or likable. Nirvana was, par for course, a band with handful of decent songs who otherwise produced dullard shit. you said you were younger, if i remember correctly. your dislike for Nirvana is a common opinion amongst kids your age. i don't know what it is, maybe you guys were raised on the wrong cartoons or snacked on the wrong crayons, i don't know. i'm not an Eagles fan, cheesy rock to me. one of my versions of hell is listening to Hotel California over and over. Metallica were good til and including the Black album and even then i wouldn't put them amongst the best American bands. God bless. I like Nirvana. I'm just not blinded by nostalgia and can attest that a) Kurt was a shit guitar player, by all means of the definition and b) they ARE one of the most overrated bands of all time, bar none. Nirvana's greatest offense? Creating the American Rock musical landscape as it is today. Post-Grunge bands were and always shall be shit, whilst all modern rock bands so shamelessly and seamlessly copy the "quite/loud" formula which, to be frank, only Nirvana ever truly did right. The Dude can rightly go fuck himself and his overrated film as well. You base your personal opinion on that of a fictional movie character (if I'm understanding your reference?). How are the Eagles "cheesy"? Because of their five or so Classic Rock station standards? Have you listened to the Eagles otherwise to any serious degree or have you just written the band off? Metallica CANNOT be denied their place in history. Everything up to Reload was fantastic. You're another of them "old schoolers" who liked 'em "before the kids got a hold of them", right? Foo Fighters, I'll let slide, but Pearl Jam have been shit since what...their second record? The Band ARE amazing, though, aren't as revered or recognized as the aforementioned "big four". |
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 22, 2013 20:38:50 GMT -5
The Velvet Underground. Maybe not success wise but they have a legendary status. Them too, I forgot about them |
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 22, 2013 20:43:24 GMT -5
you said you were younger, if i remember correctly. your dislike for Nirvana is a common opinion amongst kids your age. i don't know what it is, maybe you guys were raised on the wrong cartoons or snacked on the wrong crayons, i don't know. i'm not an Eagles fan, cheesy rock to me. one of my versions of hell is listening to Hotel California over and over. Metallica were good til and including the Black album and even then i wouldn't put them amongst the best American bands. God bless. I like Nirvana. I'm just not blinded by nostalgia and can attest that a) Kurt was a shit guitar player, by all means of the definition and b) they ARE one of the most overrated bands of all time, bar none. Nirvana's greatest offense? Creating the American Rock musical landscape as it is today. Post-Grunge bands were and always shall be shit, whilst all modern rock bands so shamelessly and seamlessly copy the "quite/loud" formula which, to be frank, only Nirvana ever truly did right. The Dude can rightly go fuck himself and his overrated film as well. You base your personal opinion on that of a fictional movie character (if I'm understanding your reference?). How are the Eagles "cheesy"? Because of their five or so Classic Rock station standards? Have you listened to the Eagles otherwise to any serious degree or have you just written the band off? Metallica CANNOT be denied their place in history. Everything up to Reload was fantastic. You're another of them "old schoolers" who liked 'em "before the kids got a hold of them", right? Foo Fighters, I'll let slide, but Pearl Jam have been shit since what...their second record? The Band ARE amazing, though, aren't as revered or recognized as the aforementioned "big four". Yeah I get what you're saying, I shouldn't have said "vital" bands, I just meant they were good bands that are sometimes overlooked, especially the Band. I can understand where you coming from with Nirvana too, it took me a long time to get into them, and although I think they're one of America's greatest bands, I can completely understand where you're coming from. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jan 22, 2013 20:43:47 GMT -5
you said you were younger, if i remember correctly. your dislike for Nirvana is a common opinion amongst kids your age. i don't know what it is, maybe you guys were raised on the wrong cartoons or snacked on the wrong crayons, i don't know. i'm not an Eagles fan, cheesy rock to me. one of my versions of hell is listening to Hotel California over and over. Metallica were good til and including the Black album and even then i wouldn't put them amongst the best American bands. God bless. I like Nirvana. I'm just not blinded by nostalgia and can attest that a) Kurt was a shit guitar player, by all means of the definition and b) they ARE one of the most overrated bands of all time, bar none. Nirvana's greatest offense? Creating the American Rock musical landscape as it is today. Post-Grunge bands were and always shall be shit, whilst all modern rock bands so shamelessly and seamlessly copy the "quite/loud" formula which, to be frank, only Nirvana ever truly did right. The Dude can rightly go fuck himself and his overrated film as well. You base your personal opinion on that of a fictional movie character (if I'm understanding your reference?). How are the Eagles "cheesy"? Because of their five or so Classic Rock station standards? Have you listened to the Eagles otherwise to any serious degree or have you just written the band off? Foo Fighters, I'll let slide, but Pearl Jam have been shit since what...their second record? The Band ARE amazing, though, aren't as revered or recognized as the aforementioned "big four". i don't like the Eagles. you put up Hotel California, i hate that fucking song. Kurt Cobain wasn't a great guitar player, so what? Neither are a lot of other musicians including Noel Gallagher. i don't know what it is with you, if you're off your meds or what but i remember your little rants about a month ago about gun control and so forth and that was enough to prove to me you're an idiot. God bless. |
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 22, 2013 20:44:51 GMT -5
You idolizing fucking Cobain to such a degree makes you a right poster child for abortion.
Kurt Cobain was a coward who couldn't even raise his daughter to any level of maturity, leaving her fatherless, due to his selfish and conceited reasons for his "suicide" (oh halp mah music is being raeped by the media, blah blah fucking blah). Fucking quit making music then, you pussy!
Okay, you hate Hotel California. What else? I can provide more songs.
Velvet Underground, I'll have to meditate on.
Noel Gallagher is a fucking prodigy compared to Kurt. He can actually play a SOLO! He can strum to a successful degree! He has a fluid and mastered understand of songwriting and it's craft.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jan 22, 2013 21:12:08 GMT -5
You idolizing fucking Cobain to such a degree makes you a right poster child for abortion. Kurt Cobain was a coward who couldn't even raise his daughter to any level of maturity, leaving her fatherless, due to his selfish and conceited reasons for his "suicide" (oh halp mah music is being raeped by the media, blah blah fucking blah). Fucking quit making music then, you pussy! Okay, you hate Hotel California. What else? I can provide more songs. Velvet Underground, I'll have to meditate on. Noel Gallagher is a fucking prodigy compared to Kurt. He can actually play a SOLO! He can strum to a successful degree! He has a fluid and mastered understand of songwriting and it's craft. i don't idolize anyone, well maybe Keith Richards... i really don't care about artists/musicians i listen to's personal lives or philosophies. i would put Noel Gallagher and Kurt Cobain on about the same level musically, both melodic geniuses. i'd also say Kurt was a better soloist than Noel Gallagher, which isn't saying much. Noel's solos are very structured and very easy, Kurt's are easy but compliment the melody more, the solo to Nirvana's song Serve the Servants is also better than any Noel Gallagher solo. God bless. |
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 22, 2013 21:20:16 GMT -5
Yes, Keith Richards is currently the most awesome person alive. I say this in all seriousness.
Kurt Cobain was not a "melodic genius". Most of his solos were just rehashes of the basic melodic/hook line and while they accentuated the songs to some degree, were in no way "technically" impressive. The "anti-solo"? More like the "lazy-unoriginal-solo". A true soloist would have created something more original, a new melody instead of a blatant repeat. Easier than Noel's, which I can personally attest to, seeing as I can play a fair deal of both.
While Noel's solos are more structured and formulaic, at least they deviate and attempt at creating something that compliments the original melody, not just repeats it.
Personal life and philosophy are a key point in not only the creation of music, but the atmospheric qualities and tone. Compare Oasis' and their record output akin to their critical acclaim at the time or what was happening in their personal lives/careers. A MAJOR influence that shouldn't be ignored or undermined.
You've ignored a good four out of five questions or inquiries I've presented you. I hope you'll reprimand yourself by attempting to acknowledge and answer them.
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Post by Bruno on Jan 22, 2013 21:23:34 GMT -5
What about The Allman Brothers Band....they're as legendary as it gets.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jan 22, 2013 21:30:52 GMT -5
Yes, Keith Richards is currently the most awesome person alive. I say this in all seriousness. Kurt Cobain was not a "melodic genius". Most of his solos were just rehashes of the basic melodic/hook line and while they accentuated the songs to some degree, were in no way "technically" impressive. The "anti-solo"? More like the "lazy-unoriginal-solo". A true soloist would have created something more original, a new melody instead of a blatant repeat. Easier than Noel's, which I can personally attest to, seeing as I can play a fair deal of both. While Noel's solos are more structured and formulaic, at least they deviate and attempt at creating something that compliments the original melody, not just repeats it. Personal life and philosophy are a key point in not only the creation of music, but the atmospheric qualities and tone. Compare Oasis' and their record output akin to their critical acclaim at the time or what was happening in their personal lives/careers. A MAJOR influence that shouldn't be ignored or undermined. You've ignored a good four out of five questions or inquiries I've presented you. I hope you'll reprimand yourself by attempting to acknowledge and answer them. i don't care about technical prowess, if i wanted that i'd listen to Van Halen. Kurt Cobain was a gifted songwriter/melodist. again, i don't care about artists/musicians personal lives or what they do with their personal time. and i'm never gonna like the Eagles. i'm off, good luck arguing with people. God bless. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 21:39:42 GMT -5
1. No band can compete with The Beatles. They're the top of the pops, greatest band ever.
2. Sonic Youth, Beastie Boys, Talking Heads, Guided By Voices, Pixies, Pavement, Velvet Underground, The Replacements, Grateful Dead, Public Enemy, The Stooges, REM, White Stripes, Pearl Jam...
3. Discrediting Nirvana is dumb.
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 22, 2013 21:39:47 GMT -5
What about The Allman Brothers Band....they're as legendary as it gets. Them too! Damn it I knew I was forgetting someone |
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 22, 2013 21:40:19 GMT -5
Later. I hope you give the Eagles more of a chance someday.
"Ahem" Back to the "serious" topic now...
The Velvet Underground I consider too obscure and alternative to truly be taken into consideration. Nico's contributions don't rightly help, but they deserve an honorary mention, a "lost" legendary band who could have been much, much more.
Their recognizability, perhaps in name alone, warrants further discussion, but at a later date perhaps.
The Allman Brother, I as well shall have to meditate on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 21:48:53 GMT -5
Later. I hope you give the Eagles more of a chance someday. "Ahem" Back to the "serious" topic now... The Velvet Underground I consider too obscure and alternative to truly be taken into consideration. Nico's contributions don't rightly help, but they deserve an honorary mention, a "lost" legendary band who could have been much, much more. I can assure you that the Velvet Underground are one of the most influential bands of all time, more influential than the majority of the bands you listed, and are certainly more legendary than a terrible band like The Eagles. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 22, 2013 21:54:09 GMT -5
You're just not thinking hard enough -- Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift, Aaron Carter, The Jonas Brothers, Rebecca Black, Miley Cyrus are all phenomenal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 21:59:19 GMT -5
I'munna stab you with mah steely knife. Peace and love, man |
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Post by vartex on Jan 22, 2013 22:24:39 GMT -5
I dont really like Nirvana, I can tottaly see their game changing music though. Rock went from over-reverbed 80s toms, bluey riffing and distant sound to in your face modern guitar riff with it all sounding fresh its so dry. Why were the 80s reverb! lol
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2013 23:09:56 GMT -5
Pearl Jam HAVE to be on this list. Way too talented and creative to be left off. They were a cultural force in the US between 1991-1996. They sell out arenas wherever they tour and their concerts are legendary....3 hours long....32-35 songs a night...any song could be played on any given night from their catalog plus cover songs. This is the definition of a great American rock band. I would put Ten, Vs. and Vitalogy with any album released in the 90s.
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 22, 2013 23:12:18 GMT -5
Their horrid cover of Timeless Melody would like a word with you.
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