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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2013 23:55:54 GMT -5
I never said VU weren't Legendary. Just too niche in relation to the best of the American music scene in general. The La's have, and always will be, held in the upmost regard in Great Britain. I'm 21. I easily discard them because I see them as a passing fad, a product of the times, none of which seriously effected the musical landscape all that deeply. 21? That explains so much. No wonder you call them passing fads. You weren't even alive yet! A lot of Americans would also use that term "passing fad" with Oasis in the USA. They would be ignorant to do so. Much like your dismissal of early 90s alternative rock. Also do yourself a favor....pick up some Pavement records. Saying you never heard of them is mind bending. You'll love them. Trust me. |
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 22, 2013 23:57:15 GMT -5
Bob Dylan liking Oasis was, and still is, unproven, thus, hypothesizing such a scenario isn't such a wild idea. Though I do admit I was incorrect in quoting that he'd said so directly in an interview.
And yeah, Obama is still too much of a pussy and his "gun restrictions" shall and will be met with the opposition of the majority of Americans.
God, I wish you'd been one of the Sandy Hook kids, LIB.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 22, 2013 23:58:12 GMT -5
Good Charlotte? Bowling for Soup? Hoobastank? My Chemical Romance? Yellowcard? New Found Glory? All American Rejects? Puddle of Mud?
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 22, 2013 23:59:05 GMT -5
I never said VU weren't Legendary. Just too niche in relation to the best of the American music scene in general. The La's have, and always will be, held in the upmost regard in Great Britain. I'm 21. I easily discard them because I see them as a passing fad, a product of the times, none of which seriously effected the musical landscape all that deeply. 21? That explains so much. No wonder you call them passing fads. You weren't even alive yet! A lot of Americans would also use that term "passing fad" with Oasis in the USA. They would be ignorant to do so. Much like yoh dismissal for early 90s alternative rock. Also do yourself a favor....pick up some Pavement records. Saying you never heard of them is mind bending. You'll love them. Trust me. Again, how old are you? Oasis were a "passing fad" yet reached me, quite directly, during the SOTSOG/HT period. How "passed the mark" were they? 90's alternative rock was always overhyped and over-evaluated. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jan 23, 2013 0:00:47 GMT -5
Bob Dylan liking Oasis was, and still is, unproven, thus, hypothesizing such a scenario isn't such a wild idea. Though I do admit I was incorrect in quoting that he'd said so directly in an interview. And yeah, Obama is still too much of a pussy and his "gun restrictions" shall and will be met with the opposition of the majority of Americans. God, I wish you'd been one of the Sandy Hook kids, LIB. the majority of americans want gun restrictions. i'm not even responding to that last comment. again, enjoy arguing with everyone and making yourself look like a jackass. God bless. |
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 23, 2013 0:03:25 GMT -5
The majority of American's DON'T want gun restrictions.
See? By posting such, under your inane Ohion logic, must make such true. So I'm right! And always shall be, if I post my opinion! As you so seemingly believe?
I wish you'd survived the OKC bombings and had grown up to be a teacher at Sandy Hook, LIB.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 23, 2013 0:04:58 GMT -5
21? That explains so much. No wonder you call them passing fads. You weren't even alive yet! A lot of Americans would also use that term "passing fad" with Oasis in the USA. They would be ignorant to do so. Much like yoh dismissal for early 90s alternative rock. Also do yourself a favor....pick up some Pavement records. Saying you never heard of them is mind bending. You'll love them. Trust me. Again, how old are you? Oasis were a "passing fad" yet reached me, quite directly, during the SOTSOG period. How "passed the mark" were they? 90's alternative rock was always overhyped and over-evaluated. I am 31. Re- read what i wrote about Oasis. I said they would be wrong. Much like you discarding alternative rock of the 90s. How many Pearl Jam records do you own? How many times you see them live? You got into SOTSOG when you were 8? Impressive. |
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 23, 2013 0:07:09 GMT -5
Yes, I did actually, since seeing Liam's TRL interview and later on, an older friend going crazy during the pre-release of HC. Heavily influenced me as a person.
I own three and haven't spun them since I bought them. I really, REALLY tried to like loving the band, but sadly, such never occurred. Never seen 'em live and don't care if I never do.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 23, 2013 0:10:20 GMT -5
This forum will stand the test of time; that is a fact. All this bullshit in this thread will be playpenned in a day's time.....and on that note, I depart.
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 23, 2013 0:11:03 GMT -5
The opinion that you have to "see" a band or "be alive" during their heyday to be a valid fan is insanely ridiculous.
If so, none of us would be "true" Beatles fans.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 23, 2013 0:16:59 GMT -5
This forum will stand the test of time; that is a fact. All this bullshit in this thread will be playpenned in a day's time.....and on that note, I depart. You're the worst user this site has ever experienced. I hope you die in an oven explosion. No need to turn the oven into a Weapon of Mass Convection  |
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 23, 2013 0:18:44 GMT -5
But doing such was so much fun!
You're not half-bad, NLFASLA;KJSLKJ4E or whatever the fark you're called. At least you're funny! Unlike that titwitnitgit LIB.
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 23, 2013 0:58:53 GMT -5
How about Cream? The Jimi Hendrix Experience? Grateful Dead? Public Enemy? The Stooges? Red Hot Chili Peppers?
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Post by Bruno on Jan 23, 2013 1:50:54 GMT -5
Clapton, Bruce or Baker are hardly american. |
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Post by Bruno on Jan 23, 2013 2:05:12 GMT -5
*NSYNC? Backstreet Boys? 98 Degrees? Boyz II Men? New Kids on the Block? LFO? All homosexual and therefor not eligible. Not really, If we're talking boy bands then I don't think anyone is bigger than the Backstreet Boys and so LEGENDARY or is this list only to do with your own personal preferences as to what you consider as legendary? |
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Post by mimmihopps on Jan 23, 2013 3:09:53 GMT -5
The Ramones
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Post by mimmihopps on Jan 23, 2013 3:21:00 GMT -5
and The Velvet Underground
The Stooges
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jan 23, 2013 6:25:29 GMT -5
Not due to my taste this list:
Slayer
Megadeth
Anthrax
Metallica
Testament
Overkill
Necrophagia
Morbid Angel
Dethklok
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 23, 2013 8:53:56 GMT -5
The opinion that you have to "see" a band or "be alive" during their heyday to be a valid fan is insanely ridiculous. If so, none of us would be "true" Beatles fans. Nobody said those words and that was not my point at all........ I was only trying to deduce why you are so quick to dismiss many great US rock bands from the early to mid 90s. - Nirvana: "they were par for the course, produced dullard shit" - Pearl Jam: "Shit since their second album" - Smashing: "are shit" - R.E.M.: "niche college rock" - Pavement: "never heard of them" I figured you must be really young and did not grow up with these bands first hand or you would not have made these naive statements. I'm not sure what the point of this thread is if you are going to discredit any band other than "your" big four. Even the people who say they don't like Nirvana or Pearl Jam in this thread acknowledge their impact and influence on US rock music. Only listing The Beach Boys, The Doors, The Eagles and Metallica is extremely limited in scope. Is this the best Americans can do with their rock music? I think not! The bands you didn't mention are more influential than the ones you did. America has a lot to offer, dig deeper. Also........ - I am still truly impressed you got into SOTSOG when you were 8. - Bob Dylan may like Oasis but he has never said so publicly and I have been following this band religiously since 1994. That would have been news reported in various places for sure yet I can't find a mention of it anywhere. |
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Post by manicsfan on Jan 23, 2013 9:04:27 GMT -5
I have every Dylan radio show he hosted and can't remember him playing Oasis at any stage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 10:21:17 GMT -5
America, unfortunately, are more well known around the world for their contributions to Pop music over the years. Most notably solo artists, not bands.
Elvis, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, Chuck Berry, Garth Brooks, Billy Joel, Barbara Streisand, Neil Diamond, George Strait, Bing Crosby, Judy Garland, Sinatra, etc.
You could easily name 10 - 20 solo artists who were bigger, more legendary than most bands in the US. Bands, for whatever reason, have a hard time taking a hold of the country as whole. Many of them are regionally very popular, but lack overall appeal for the most part.
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To the argument over Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters, etc.
I have been ripped on here before for saying that Nirvana's contribution to popular music is overrated in comparison to some other acts who, to their credit, have made records spanning decades, not years. I LIKE NIRVANA for the record. I do take exception when people instantly spout off the same, ridiculous comments that have been made for 20 years about the band as though that makes them great. Look back at the facts, 1 "great" album that was more great because of the novelty that it got popular radio air play more so than for the record (there are some crap tracks on that record). The follow up to that record sounds more like a rehash of the leftovers from the original Nevermind sessions. After that, the band doesn't exist. Before that the band was irrelevant and making ear offending music. Anyone who claims Bleach is a great record is simply buying into the idea that Nirvana are infallible b/c of their "status" as rock gods.
However, to not classify Nirvana as "legendary" is an egregious oversight on the narrative of popular music in this country and around the world.
Pearl Jam made some great tunes, but lets not carried away. While TEN is a top 10 greatest album of rock . . . Vitalogy and Vs. are far from great albums. Unfortunately for them, Nirvana stole their limelight in the early 90's and have yet to give back to this point.
Foo Fighters are pretty well the only remaining true rock band going, but to call them legendary is a bit of a rush. Twenty years from now, yeah, they'll be seen as legendary I think. If nothing else, Dave Grohl's impact on modern music cannot be denied. One of three members of Nirvana and front man for Foo Fighters is a pretty prolific musical career on par with Macca and Clapton.
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Lastly, there are many iconic songs that come rom American bands, but that doesn't make the bands themselves iconic. I feel this way about The Eagles (Hotel California - regardless of how overrated it is as a song), Lynard Skynard (Sweet Home Alabama - who would give a shit about Alabama otherwise?), and Guns n' Roses (they have a couple of tunes, but their catalogue as a whole is pretty weak.). There are a number of other bands that fall into this category as well.
I apologize for the length and the rant. Peace.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 10:28:37 GMT -5
All homosexual and therefor not eligible. So Queen mean nothing b/c Freddy Mercury batted for the other team? Most daft comment today. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 10:53:58 GMT -5
Foo Fighters are pretty well the only remaining true rock band going, but to call them legendary is a bit of a rush. Twenty years from now, yeah, they'll be seen as legendary I think. If nothing else, Dave Grohl's impact on modern music cannot be denied. One of three members of Nirvana and front man for Foo Fighters is a pretty prolific musical career on par with Macca and Clapton. i think you're right. i also agree with your stance on nirvana.... they were never one of my favorites---- that's not to say they don't have some great tunes, but to call them 'legendary' ... to me, is a bit of a stretch. i think cobain's untimely death certainly has something to do with it. he's martyred, the same way as janis joplin, jimi hendrix, and jim morrison. so are elvis presley, john lennon and michael jackson, but they were already legends before their deaths (and rightfully so). back to the foo fighters--- even if they are not your cup of tea, or if you are just a casual fan.... the next time they come to your town, go see them play live. TRUST me. if you don't, one day you will regret it. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jan 23, 2013 11:05:18 GMT -5
America, unfortunately, are more well known around the world for their contributions to Pop music over the years. Most notably solo artists, not bands. Elvis, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, Chuck Berry, Garth Brooks, Billy Joel, Barbara Streisand, Neil Diamond, George Strait, Bing Crosby, Judy Garland, Sinatra, etc. You could easily name 10 - 20 solo artists who were bigger, more legendary than most bands in the US. Bands, for whatever reason, have a hard time taking a hold of the country as whole. Many of them are regionally very popular, but lack overall appeal for the most part. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To the argument over Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters, etc. I have been ripped on here before for saying that Nirvana's contribution to popular music is overrated in comparison to some other acts who, to their credit, have made records spanning decades, not years. I LIKE NIRVANA for the record. I do take exception when people instantly spout off the same, ridiculous comments that have been made for 20 years about the band as though that makes them great. Look back at the facts, 1 "great" album that was more great because of the novelty that it got popular radio air play more so than for the record (there are some crap tracks on that record). The follow up to that record sounds more like a rehash of the leftovers from the original Nevermind sessions. After that, the band doesn't exist. Before that the band was irrelevant and making ear offending music. Anyone who claims Bleach is a great record is simply buying into the idea that Nirvana are infallible b/c of their "status" as rock gods. However, to not classify Nirvana as "legendary" is an egregious oversight on the narrative of popular music in this country and around the world. Pearl Jam made some great tunes, but lets not carried away. While TEN is a top 10 greatest album of rock . . . Vitalogy and Vs. are far from great albums. Unfortunately for them, Nirvana stole their limelight in the early 90's and have yet to give back to this point. Foo Fighters are pretty well the only remaining true rock band going, but to call them legendary is a bit of a rush. Twenty years from now, yeah, they'll be seen as legendary I think. If nothing else, Dave Grohl's impact on modern music cannot be denied. One of three members of Nirvana and front man for Foo Fighters is a pretty prolific musical career on par with Macca and Clapton. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lastly, there are many iconic songs that come rom American bands, but that doesn't make the bands themselves iconic. I feel this way about The Eagles (Hotel California - regardless of how overrated it is as a song), Lynard Skynard (Sweet Home Alabama - who would give a shit about Alabama otherwise?), and Guns n' Roses (they have a couple of tunes, but their catalogue as a whole is pretty weak.). There are a number of other bands that fall into this category as well. I apologize for the length and the rant. Peace. Cheers! Nirvana's Nevermind and In Utero albums are really fucking good, i'm sorry that you don't get them or like them but they are great. the only weak songs on Nevermind are Breed and Stay Away. Serve the Servants, Heart Shaped Box, Rape Me, Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revnge On Seattle, Pennyroyal Tea, Radio Friendly Unit Shifter and All Apologies are great songs, which accounts for most of In Utero. Pearl Jam's Ten, Vs., Vitalogy are great albums and No Code and Yield are alright. after those albums i kind of lost track of Pearl Jam but those are solid albums. you appear to like really poppy, happy music. don't you like musicals and show tunes? it's no surprise you don't like above albums but that doesn't mean they're not great. God bless. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 11:23:59 GMT -5
Nirvana's Nevermind and In Utero albums are really fucking good, i'm sorry that you don't get them or like them but they are great. the only weak songs on Nevermind are Breed and Stay Away. Serve the Servants, Heart Shaped Box, Rape Me, Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revnge On Seattle, Pennyroyal Tea, Radio Friendly Unit Shifter and All Apologies are great songs, which accounts for most of In Utero. Pearl Jam's Ten, Vs., Vitalogy are great albums and No Code and Yield are alright. after those albums i kind of lost track of Pearl Jam but those are solid albums. you appear to like really poppy, happy music. don't you like musicals and show tunes? it's no surprise you don't like above albums but that doesn't mean they're not great. God bless. I do tend to lean towards more upbeat happier tunes, but that doesn't stop me from liking somber tunes as well. I love Nevermind and Ten, but the rest of the albums left me wanting more. Just not my bag I guess. Those who fancy Rock have a hard time believing that Rock music doesn't rule the world, but it doesn't. Rock is seriously under-represented in the charts, and in sales figures too. Check this list out: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists_in_the_United_StatesYou'll find Nirvana down at #80 about 6 million records short of Pearl Jam. the list is dominated by Pop stars, and solo acts really. Hell, even the Beatles are really considered more Pop than anything else. |
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