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Post by stillilllife on Apr 12, 2020 8:05:14 GMT -5
- Too many Oasis songs (particularly during their heyday) use repeated refrain outros. It gets a little tiring and predictable. It's getting better (Man!!)... |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 12, 2020 8:22:15 GMT -5
I can not tell you the last time I listened to Heathen Chemistry from start to finish. I refuse to do that to myself.
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Post by Manualex on Apr 12, 2020 15:37:51 GMT -5
- Too many Oasis songs (particularly during their heyday) use repeated refrain outros. It gets a little tiring and predictable. It's getting better (Man!!)... Hey, what was that you said to me? |
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Post by stillilllife on Apr 12, 2020 15:58:46 GMT -5
It's getting better (Man!!)... Hey, what was that you said to me? Oh. I will repeat: We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man We're getting better man D'you know what I mean? |
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Post by oasisunited on Apr 12, 2020 17:13:07 GMT -5
- Oasis were nothing special as a live band. While I understand this is a matter of opinion, I respectfully disagree with this take. On a whole, this is probably true. However, for those of us that got the chance to see them live during the 1993-1997 heyday, I think that most of us would say that they were special as a live band and much more so than most of their peers. Granted, part of it was generational (us gen-X's didn't care for the flair of the 80's rock bands) but I always felt that what made them special as a live band during that time is that you walked a way from their shows full of energy despite the fact that they didn't move at all on stage. I also thought what made them great as a live act during that time was that you felt that it could be you up there, until you stopped and realized that you didnt have the discipline, drive or the songs  . That's why I think the early incarnation was special live -- the great ones make it seem simple and easy when it's not. I do agree that Oasis 2.0 was too polished and professional in a musicianship sense, which combined with the shoegaze act made it feel uninspired at times. |
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Post by megyesitomate on Apr 15, 2020 18:50:47 GMT -5
- I don't like Liam's vocals on Definitely Maybe. No rasp in them, they are too clear, and the tempo of the songs don't do them any favour either. It's not very often that I listen to anything off DM because it's all just so-so inferior to live performances.
- Not really an Oasis confession but I wish Liam didn't play any Oasis classics at his shows. I don't care for them that much as I do for others that haven't been played that often, just because I've heard them a billion times before and they provide nothing of novelty. I want to hear My Big Mouth, anything from their post-90's albums, more Beady Eye, and especially more stuff from his two solo albums.
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Post by Zingbot on Apr 15, 2020 19:43:44 GMT -5
I think Liam's a complete asshole who has manipulated the fans and the media into practically bullying Noel. It really infuriates me.
I prefer Noel vocally to Liam. I think he's a better singer with a better voice.
Wmwn is a massive step down from AYW.
Beady Eye were better than Liam solo.
Liam never re-gained his voice. He sounds alright now, but any lukewarm performance where he doesn't badly fuck up is hailed as great.
Who built the moon is the best oasis related album since Be Here Now.
Noel was better off on his own after BHN.
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Post by megyesitomate on Apr 15, 2020 20:07:46 GMT -5
Liam never re-gained his voice. He sounds alright now, but any lukewarm performance where he doesn't badly fuck up is hailed as great. I agree with you on that one. I think most recent performances are still very much enjoyable, but his voice isn't half as powerful as it was even in the last years of Oasis. People who say that his voice is just like it was in 2000 or even 1997 after a decent show need to pay a bit more attention, because it just so isn't. And it's never going to be so, actually. Regarding his voice, I think most tend to forget that aging has contributed a lot, if not the most to the change of his vocal abilities and characteristics. I mean, come on, the guy's been shouting for the last 25 years or so, of course it's going to show. It's not only the alcohol and the cigarettes. |
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Post by mouth on Apr 16, 2020 3:57:11 GMT -5
- Oasis were nothing special as a live band. - I'm generally uninterested in bands who are obviously influenced by Oasis. - I'm not at all convinced that brickwalling benefitted Oasis artistically. - Oasis were never any good at covering other people's songs. They stripped them of their character and played them straight as hell. No imagination whatsoever. If anyone else played 'I am the Walrus' like they did, when they did, no one would give a shit. This to me just goes to highlight Noel's limitations instrumentally and as a songwriter. - Noel and Liam (the former less so now) are both afraid of taking risks and doing anything considered weird with their music. Everything feels frustratingly safe. There's next to no sense of performance in their vocal takes - You're getting it straight and that's it. The only time I can think of Liam doing anything remotely different vocally was when he started speak-singing during 'Gone' which really surprised me to hear (in a positive way of course). - I think it says something that so few bands have covered Oasis in a recording studio. A shame really. - Kurt Cobain was a better songwriter than Noel Gallagher. Nirvana and Kurt's songwriting abilities didn't suffer from any of the said points I've listed in this post or the one above. have you ever liked anything about oasis and their music? |
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Post by mrsifters80 on Apr 16, 2020 4:01:20 GMT -5
- when people talk about Liam as Kermit the Frog, his performance of Champagne Supernova at Knebworth springs to mind. Especially in the Supersonic documentary.
- Of all the Oasis albums except DM and WTSMG I get the same feeling: "if only they'd.....(picked another tracklist/hired a good producer/tried different sounds or arrangements). In the end I sincerely like all of their albums to an extent, but there are so much opportunities missed.
-As much as I love the straightforward approach of their early yeras, I think its a shame they didnt push the boundaries after Guigs and Bonehead left.
- I think the rethink of DYKNWIM is superior to the original.
- I like She Is Love (but I dont like the production or Noels vocals)
- Despite the clunky lyrics, I think Litle James is a sweet little tune
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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 16, 2020 5:14:24 GMT -5
[quote author=" Zingbot" source="/post/1624560/thread" Liam never re-gained his voice. He sounds alright now, but any lukewarm performance where he doesn't badly fuck up is hailed as great. [/quote] Do you think his vocals from 08/09 is better? I cannot remember the last time I even wanted to hear any gig from them years as Liam's vocals are shot |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Apr 16, 2020 5:15:02 GMT -5
I don’t really get why some critics showered Dig Out Your Soul with so much praise.
It got their highest Metacritic rating since Morning Glory, and I remember some critics writing that it was as good as that and DM. On Allmusic it got a 9/10, the same as The Masterplan, and they called all of Noel’s songs the best he’d written since Morning Glory.
I remember giving it so many spins when it came out, and I’ve listened to it a few times more recently, wondering what I was missing. I still find the three singles excellent, but around half the album just doesn’t connect with me.
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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 16, 2020 5:17:36 GMT -5
I don’t really get why some critics showered Dig Out Your Soul with so much praise. It got their highest Metacritic rating since Morning Glory, and I remember some critics writing that it was as good as that and DM. On Allmusic it got a 9/10, the same as The Masterplan, and they called all of Noel’s songs the best he’d written since Morning Glory. I remember giving it so many spins when it came out, and I’ve listened to it a few times more recently, wondering what I was missing. I still find the three singles excellent, but around half the album just doesn’t connect with me. This is how I have felt since the very first day the album came out |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Apr 16, 2020 5:29:08 GMT -5
I don’t really get why some critics showered Dig Out Your Soul with so much praise. It got their highest Metacritic rating since Morning Glory, and I remember some critics writing that it was as good as that and DM. On Allmusic it got a 9/10, the same as The Masterplan, and they called all of Noel’s songs the best he’d written since Morning Glory. I remember giving it so many spins when it came out, and I’ve listened to it a few times more recently, wondering what I was missing. I still find the three singles excellent, but around half the album just doesn’t connect with me. This is how I have felt since the very first day the album came out I remember feeling a tad let down. I loved The Shock Of The Lightning when i heard it on the radio, but the album didn’t really live up to it for me. In fact, it made me appreciate Don’t Believe The Truth more. I hadn’t been crazy for that when it came out, but unlike Dig Out Your Soul and Heathen Chemistry, i was still going back to its album tracks. |
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 16, 2020 10:08:31 GMT -5
I don’t really get why some critics showered Dig Out Your Soul with so much praise. It got their highest Metacritic rating since Morning Glory, and I remember some critics writing that it was as good as that and DM. On Allmusic it got a 9/10, the same as The Masterplan, and they called all of Noel’s songs the best he’d written since Morning Glory. I remember giving it so many spins when it came out, and I’ve listened to it a few times more recently, wondering what I was missing. I still find the three singles excellent, but around half the album just doesn’t connect with me. It wasn't afraid to turn up the guitars and make some actual rock music again, after the weirdly semi-acoustic HC/DBTT era. Tracks like Bag it Up, The Shock of the Lightning, and Waiting for the Rapture feel a lot more urgent and powerful than whatever Lyla-style nonsense they were passing off as rock 'n' roll on the last two records. It's not a great album, and obviously it's a million miles away from their 90's stuff, but at least it sounds like a band with a direction and a sound, not just one going through the motions of safe, big choruses so they can go on another lucrative world tour. |
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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 16, 2020 10:19:29 GMT -5
I don’t really get why some critics showered Dig Out Your Soul with so much praise. It got their highest Metacritic rating since Morning Glory, and I remember some critics writing that it was as good as that and DM. On Allmusic it got a 9/10, the same as The Masterplan, and they called all of Noel’s songs the best he’d written since Morning Glory. I remember giving it so many spins when it came out, and I’ve listened to it a few times more recently, wondering what I was missing. I still find the three singles excellent, but around half the album just doesn’t connect with me. It wasn't afraid to turn up the guitars and make some actual rock music again, after the weirdly semi-acoustic HC/DBTT era. Tracks like Bag it Up, The Shock of the Lightning, and Waiting for the Rapture feel a lot more urgent and powerful than whatever Lyla-style nonsense they were passing off as rock 'n' roll on the last two records. It's not a great album, and obviously it's a million miles away from their 90's stuff, but at least it sounds like a band with a direction and a sound, not just one going through the motions of safe, big choruses so they can go on another lucrative world tour. Big choruses on the songs they didn't do live (Bag It Up, The Turning.) I don't hear anything that is that progressive on DOYS. All I hear is the missed oppertunites of what could have been and lyrics that are lacking. Sure, you could claim that the music is improved but I don't think it is. You claim that it sounds like they had direction and sound but, to my ears, I hear a rushed album where nobody wanted to be in the band together anymore |
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Post by morning_rain on Apr 16, 2020 10:30:47 GMT -5
Gas Panic and Bag it up are their best 00's songs. I wouldn't mind never hearing Talk tonight and Half the world away live again, Noel should stop playing them. I actually prefer SOTSOG to BHN. Sunday morning call is the worst song they ever released. I love The Nature of Reallity. I felt hugely disappointed when they premiered the falling down video. I'm not really fond on the song neither, it always sounded to me like a poor Setting Sun. I still agree with what I said 7 years ago. But SMC has grown on me since, the outro is alright actually. Also: - TSOTL is one of their best singles. - Fade in out is overrated. It's not a bad song, but it's always a surprise when I see it in some lists as one of their best. - Although is not a perfect album I'm very fond of the DBTT era. |
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Post by Zingbot on Apr 16, 2020 10:35:42 GMT -5
[quote author=" Zingbot " source="/post/1624560/thread" Liam never re-gained his voice. He sounds alright now, but any lukewarm performance where he doesn't badly fuck up is hailed as great. Do you think his vocals from 08/09 is better? I cannot remember the last time I even wanted to hear any gig from them years as Liam's vocals are shot [/quote] This is the exact kind of response I expected. I didn't mean to insinuate that his voice hasn't improved since latter-day Oasis, but people exaggerate how much it has improved. I can't tell you how many times I've heard 'Best since 1998' or 'best since 2000'. I'd go as far as to say he sounds worse now than he did in 2002, and better than he did in 2003. As for the Dig Out Your Soul tour, Liams voice didn't bother me much. In fact, he sounded really fucking good on some shows. |
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Post by Zingbot on Apr 16, 2020 10:36:49 GMT -5
I also prefer Liams 2005 vocals to now, well we're on this topic.
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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 16, 2020 10:40:31 GMT -5
Liam's vocals now (when not pushed to the limit with numerous gigs in a row) are the best he has sounded since the Heathen Chemistry tour.
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Post by Zingbot on Apr 16, 2020 10:42:35 GMT -5
Gas Panic and Bag it up are their best 00's songs. YES! I wouldn't mind never hearing Talk tonight and Half the world away live again, Noel should stop playing them. Talk Tonight is brilliant, wouldn't care if he dropped HTWA though I actually prefer SOTSOG to BHN. Not for me, mate. Sunday morning call is the worst song they ever released. it's not good, but that's a little harsh. I love The Nature of Reallity. Great guitars and Liams vocals are great. Shit lyrics are what gives it a bad rep. I felt hugely disappointed when they premiered the falling down video. I'm not really fond on the song neither, it always sounded to me like a poor Setting Sun. Great tune, but yeah the video is meh. I still agree with what I said 7 years ago. But SMC has grown on me since, the outro is alright actually. Also: - TSOTL is one of their best singles. YES! - Fade in out is overrated. It's not a bad song, but it's always a surprise when I see it in some lists as one of their best. Love that tune. Brilliant western vibes, akin to Gone off Liams latest record(coincidentally the only great song on that album). - Although is not a perfect album I'm very fond of the DBTT era. Yeah, Liam sounded great and Lyla is an amazing tune. |
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Post by Zingbot on Apr 16, 2020 10:44:05 GMT -5
Liam's vocals now (when not pushed to the limit with numerous gigs in a row) are the best he has sounded since the Heathen Chemistry tour. 'since the heathen chemistry tour' is about right, I'll settle for that. Though, I do prefer the 2005 dbtt shows. |
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Post by Plantpot on Apr 16, 2020 10:55:53 GMT -5
Coming from one angle, I actually prefer Liam's vocals in 2008-2009 to any other era because that is the era for which I can do my best impression of him singing. A good singer can effectively mimic other good singers; however, a great singer can effectively mimic a great singer singing poorly.
(Admittedly, his vocals from that era are comparatively sub par to all other eras.)
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Post by megyesitomate on Apr 16, 2020 11:05:20 GMT -5
I’m going to continue the habitual 90’S OASIS BASHING of mine because I’m young, hip, and desperately want to stand out since I’M NOT LIKE THE AVERAGE OASIS FAN.
- while Headshrinker is always praised mainly thanks to Liam’s impressive vocals, I don’t think too much of the song and would’ve preferred it performed with Liam’s later, much deeper and raspier voice. I’m desperate to have a listen at that one-off 2005 performance of the song one day, even though they say that he didn’t even finish it.
- reading how many of you feel about MKII albums, it made me realise that, while I, too, feel like those albums were in a way missed opportunities, I feel exactly the same about WTSMG. It’s a great album, it’s a great collection of songs, and the production doesn’t really get better than that (production-wise, I think that WTSMG and DOYS are just perfect), but I just wish half of it was replaced by B-sides. Funnily enough, bar Wonderwall, it’s the singles that don’t really do it for me in any way and would just love to see The Masterplan, Rocking Chair and Underneath the Sky in place of them. The end result would be completely different and sure, it wouldn’t be half as successful, but I’ve never really cared about that aspect anyway.
- maybe this is not confession-material, but I’ve never really got why Supersonic was their debut single followed by fucking Shakermaker. 3 singles should’ve been released off DM: the HOLY TRINITY of Rock ‘N’ Roll Star, Live Forever and Cigarettes & Alcohol in that order. Those are the definitive DM songs, the foundations of the 90’s Oasis both musically and lyrically.
- also, following up my comment regarding Liam’s voice: I just don’t give a shit whether he hits and holds those high notes or not during songs. It’s all about the full-on, murdering the mic mentality for me and for that reason, and because of Chris Sharrock, I’ve always found the DOYS-era gigs to be the most enjoyable. The opening quaternity of RnRS, Lyla, TSotL and C&A is absolutely second to none with his DBTT voice and that era’s setlist (I mean, TutS, Lyla, BioD, MG and C&A!!) coming very close only.
- their DM-era gigs excite me way less, with them sounding not half as massive as later on, and while it got better during the WTSMG times, the setlist was still meh. The BHN tour would’ve been almost perfect in this sense but they fucking ruined it with Noel’s fucking acoustic sets in the middle of a fucking Oasis gig. Fuck that.
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Post by scyhopath on Apr 17, 2020 11:07:07 GMT -5
I never understood the hype behind DBTT. People claim it was their return to form, but for me it isn't any better from Heathen Chemistry.
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