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Post by fabulousbakers on May 2, 2012 12:15:09 GMT -5
Never heard of her but I'm looking forward to seeing the half naked girl in the clip. There should be more half naked girls dancing about to Noel Gallagher songs.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2012 12:21:28 GMT -5
I do!
I think the discussion kind of revolves around whether or not 'music videos' are part of the artistic output or part of, for want of a better phrase, the'corporate marketing of the 'product'.
I think it's clear that in noel's current campaign it's very much the latter, pretty much in keeping with most uk artists who ever attempt to break the american marketplace. you can take it as far back as to the mtv years of the late 80's, where bands like pete wylie's wah! lost credibility for going as far as to have a black member of the band portrayed as a barman in order to conform to US radio-derived deliniations of what constituted various music market audiences.
Take it back further to 'The Beatles & The Stones' and you had pre-mtv era 'promotional films' that were part of the artistic development of the band, reflecting their image and connections to fashions of the contemporary times, both in clothing and other visual representations.
I think it's fair to say that Noel has taken a kind of modern version of the 'mtv' route and Beady Eye have gone for more of a band-derived versions as per the sixties giants they were attempting to emulate.
Oasis's own vids kind of started off with the same approach too. Noel's solo situation perhaps doesn't lend itself towards that anyway.
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Post by LlAM on May 2, 2012 12:37:03 GMT -5
People like TrueFaith need to face the fact that Oasis' "rock and roll" image was an act.
Oasis/Beady Eye/High Flying Birds are businesses and their goal is to create profit. Deal with it.
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Post by thuperthonic on May 2, 2012 12:44:29 GMT -5
Just curious, spaneli and gdforever (or anyone with an opinion on the matter), is there anything Noel could do that would turn you off? Other than the obvious (domestic violence, murder, etc.).
For me personally, I've been a wee bit turned off by Noel since the press conference. There was no need to drag Andy Bell into it. It was weak. The high road was his to take and he chose not to. Also, it's difficult to tell when he's telling the truth and when he's bullshitting. It's fine when he's telling stories and being hilarious, but it's annoying when he attempts to rewrite history. The fact that Paul Weller, supposedly a close friend of his, said Noel's a liar doesn't help his cause (in my eyes).
None of this is to say that he's a bad person. I'm sure being the leader of a band is incredibly complicated. But I have to say I look at him ever-so-slightly different than I did while he was in Oasis.
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Post by gdforever on May 2, 2012 12:51:23 GMT -5
So what? Your myopic opinions are irrelevant to the larger picture and anyone elses assessment of his marketing. No one gives a shit what you think in the grand scheme of things. And anything you do not like is not immoral so don't be so sanctimonious. No one is going to criticize Noel for offending the sensibilities of some random teenager halfway across the world. Noel is as involved in stuff like music videos as Oasis ever was. Which was basically nothing beyond green lighting a project as long as they don't have to look like losers in them. Give me a break. They just happen to have engaged a director from LA where there are many moderately successful actresses or actresses past their prime. It's not like they got an A-list celebrity. Incidentally this is a director that that both Oasis and BDI almost used as well before you ramble on about using an American director being a ploy. As for BDI being passionate about the promotion of their music? Give me a break. Noel has put 100 times more effort into his promotion than BDI. There is nothing wrong with wanting people to be exposed to your music. |
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Post by gdforever on May 2, 2012 13:06:59 GMT -5
Just curious, spaneli and gdforever (or anyone with an opinion on the matter), is there anything Noel could do that would turn you off? Other than the obvious (domestic violence, murder, etc.). For me personally, I've been a wee bit turned off by Noel since the press conference. There was no need to drag Andy Bell into it. It was weak. The high road was his to take and he chose not to. Also, it's difficult to tell when he's telling the truth and when he's bullshitting. It's fine when he's telling stories and being hilarious, but it's annoying when he attempts to rewrite history. The fact that Paul Weller, supposedly a close friend of his, said Noel's a liar doesn't help his cause (in my eyes). None of this is to say that he's a bad person. I'm sure being the leader of a band is incredibly complicated. But I have to say I look at him ever-so-slightly different than I did while he was in Oasis. lol...Paul Weller was annoyed that Noel outed the fact that he watches X-factor. I think you took that comment a bit too seriously. As for what would turn me off? If he started slagging of BDI I'd lose a lot of respect. Or if he began to dismiss Oasis' achievements wholesale. It's part of the reason that I lost respect for Liam and BDI...the constant attacks on Noel and Oasis while they promoted their album and later when Liam publicly slagged off Noel's music. I think in general he has handled himself with aplomb. Faultlessly? Nope. But has he been malicious in trying to sabotage BDI's success? Not in my opinion. He kept a tactful silence while they promoted their album despite. He has been non-committal-to-positive about the BDI project since his debut. He has defended them from criticisms when the interviewers have tried to curry favor by slagging them off. |
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Post by thuperthonic on May 2, 2012 13:21:20 GMT -5
"Listen, Noel’s got a lot of stories, but how many of them are actually true is another matter. He’s from that Manchester school of bullsh*t, bless his heart. He’s got lots of stories and theories but few of them are rooted in truth." - PW
Noel's an amazing character, but he bullshits quite a bit.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2012 13:28:10 GMT -5
"Listen, Noel’s got a lot of stories, but how many of them are actually true is another matter. He’s from that Manchester school of bullsh*t, bless his heart. He’s got lots of stories and theories but few of them are rooted in truth." - PW Noel's an amazing character, but he bullshits quite a bit.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2012 13:42:44 GMT -5
now there's a classic example of internet forum discussion.
how rude and unneccessary.
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Post by truefaith on May 2, 2012 13:52:18 GMT -5
Just curious, spaneli and gdforever (or anyone with an opinion on the matter), is there anything Noel could do that would turn you off? Other than the obvious (domestic violence, murder, etc.). For me personally, I've been a wee bit turned off by Noel since the press conference. There was no need to drag Andy Bell into it. It was weak. The high road was his to take and he chose not to. Also, it's difficult to tell when he's telling the truth and when he's bullshitting. It's fine when he's telling stories and being hilarious, but it's annoying when he attempts to rewrite history. The fact that Paul Weller, supposedly a close friend of his, said Noel's a liar doesn't help his cause (in my eyes). None of this is to say that he's a bad person. I'm sure being the leader of a band is incredibly complicated. But I have to say I look at him ever-so-slightly different than I did while he was in Oasis. I agree with you complitely. And I don't think Noel took the high road lately either when he spent his time rewritting Oasis history, blaming Liam for everything hat got wrong (not breaking in in America, telling in details his version of the break up, telling Liam was always trying "to fucked up" everything Noel wanted for Oasis...) |
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Post by truefaith on May 2, 2012 13:54:52 GMT -5
People like TrueFaith need to face the fact that Oasis' "rock and roll" image was an act.  I guess some people like you have to face that they haven't understand anything about Oasis. |
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Post by spaneli on May 2, 2012 14:02:26 GMT -5
Just curious, spaneli and gdforever (or anyone with an opinion on the matter), is there anything Noel could do that would turn you off? Other than the obvious (domestic violence, murder, etc.). For me personally, I've been a wee bit turned off by Noel since the press conference. There was no need to drag Andy Bell into it. It was weak. The high road was his to take and he chose not to. Also, it's difficult to tell when he's telling the truth and when he's bullshitting. It's fine when he's telling stories and being hilarious, but it's annoying when he attempts to rewrite history. The fact that Paul Weller, supposedly a close friend of his, said Noel's a liar doesn't help his cause (in my eyes). None of this is to say that he's a bad person. I'm sure being the leader of a band is incredibly complicated. But I have to say I look at him ever-so-slightly different than I did while he was in Oasis. The American Idol rumor if true. I was a bit irked by that. It's something that would be incredibly hard for me to support. If he did do it, I don't think I would support it. |
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Post by RocketMan on May 2, 2012 14:07:49 GMT -5
i love noel's music. not him. so i don't really care anymore what he's doing apart from his music. thats just business.
he does whatever the fuck he likes, thats the only thing i will always give him my appreciation
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Post by spaneli on May 2, 2012 14:09:46 GMT -5
"Listen, Noel’s got a lot of stories, but how many of them are actually true is another matter. He’s from that Manchester school of bullsh*t, bless his heart. He’s got lots of stories and theories but few of them are rooted in truth." - PW Noel's an amazing character, but he bullshits quite a bit. I've said before that I don't trust anything that comes out Noel or Liam's mouths when it comes to stories or how they feel about certain things. Both of them have a history of contradicting themselves. It's why when the stories came out about who was doing what or what members took sides during the break-up, I just ignored most of them. As I've said, I believe that both Liam and Noel have a tendency to twist the truth and bullshit. |
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Post by spaneli on May 2, 2012 14:56:06 GMT -5
For me personally, I've been a wee bit turned off by Noel since the press conference. There was no need to drag Andy Bell into it. It was weak. The high road was his to take and he chose not to. Also, it's difficult to tell when he's telling the truth and when he's bullshitting. It's fine when he's telling stories and being hilarious, but it's annoying when he attempts to rewrite history. The fact that Paul Weller, supposedly a close friend of his, said Noel's a liar doesn't help his cause (in my eyes). Speaking to this point, I didn't mind it as much. You're right. Noel could have been the better man and could have taken the high road, but I also understand why in that instance he may have been petty. For about a year he watched silently as he was described as a dictator within Oasis by Beady Eye, as a control freak, as a person who was holding them back, while also not being thanked by Liam at the BRITS for his contribution (possibly the person with greatest contribution) to WTSMG. I always thought that Noel was a bit hurt by that. No matter how true their statements were or how much he knew of it himself, he was still hurt. I always look back to an interview he did, randomly I think it's somewhere in the Beady Eye news section where he basically said, "they've said that I held them back. Well we'll see about that." as a sign that there was a bit of him that took what they had to say personally. So I would have been bit petty in that instance too, which says more about me and Noel as people as anything else, but hey that's just how I feel. I don't find Noel nor Liam to be perfect people. People can be petty, vindictive, crass, crude, liars, charlatans, and scoundrels. I believe seeing them as perfect is about as ludicrous as saying that they have to adhere to some "rock n' roll spirit". They both occupy the same dominion for me. |
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Post by spaneli on May 2, 2012 14:58:43 GMT -5
so i don't really care anymore what he's doing apart from his music. thats just business. Connie Mack once said something about baseball which I think applies greatly to music. He said, "Baseball is too much of a game to be called a business, and too much of a business to be called a game." |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2012 15:40:13 GMT -5
another derailed thread....
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Post by spaneli on May 2, 2012 15:54:00 GMT -5
another derailed thread.... Welcome to the forum. ;D |
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Post by mossy on May 2, 2012 18:03:28 GMT -5
The main thing that would turn me off Noel is if he starts releasing rubbish music. We seem to be OK so far :-)
I've not liked any of the videos, a trend I suspect won't be stopped even by Mischa's pants, but I don't care, I liked very few Oasis videos.
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Post by mossy on May 2, 2012 18:10:32 GMT -5
Why? I'm pretty sure Johnny Rotten isn't a member of Coldplay!  In all seriousness though, why such hatred for these two bands? They're pretty innocuous as far as I can see. Even if their music is not to your taste, surely you can easily ignore them and at least accept they're 'real' bands who play their own instruments (quite well in the case of the chili peppers), write their own songs, and formed out of love for music rather than anything else... |
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Post by Silence Dogood on May 2, 2012 18:20:57 GMT -5
unbelievable how Spaneli and gdforever will gang up on anyone and everyone whose opinion doesn't coincide with theirs. It's the same 'ol shit. If someone criticizes Noel they automatically tell them they "need to GTFO" or "stop posting" or "don't know what they're talking about", etc, etc. And then they have the nerve to complain when they're called fanboys. lol pathetic stuff. And then there's rifles... lol that stupid clique, i'm just so tired of their bullshit. And then they go on to complain to the webmaster hahahahahaa, hilarious. anyways, to the user saying he can't wait to see the girl in the video, you don't really want that bro. trust me, it's not 2002 images.hotcelebshome.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Mischa-Barton-11.jpgAnd finally @trufaith, I get where you're coming from, I too idolize Noel and love his (Oasis) songs and everything, but what you need to realize is that Noel is no longer a rock artist, he's now in the pop'N'folk genre. You can't expect the same thing you expected from Oasis. According to his apologists, he has moved on and "grown" lol but there you go. |
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Post by Rifles on May 2, 2012 18:45:46 GMT -5
Sadly, this thread is way more entertaining than the video will ever be.
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Post by NicOasis on May 2, 2012 19:21:45 GMT -5
I THINK THE VIDEO THAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WILL BE INTERESTING. I THOUGHT THE PREVIOUS VIDEOS WERE QUITE INTERESTING, NOT GREAT, BUT GOOD(ISH). WHY AM I "YELLING"? OR ALL-CAPS-ING YOU ARE GOING TO TRY ASK, I AM TRYING BRING THE THREAD BACK TO WHAT THE TITLE SAYS IT IS ABOUT. THAT IS ALL.
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Post by shaokahnage on May 2, 2012 19:41:27 GMT -5
You're all fucking idiots, instead of talking about the single or speculating about the video your post long, meaningless and boring posts, I probably wont make any friends with this comment but people like spaneli who act as if every one wants a debate 24/7 are just as bad as that lgfaver arseclot, all your doing is making the threads a drag to read through and making unnecessary conflicts.
Fuckers.
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Post by mkoasis on May 2, 2012 19:46:00 GMT -5
Frankly Mischa Barton is hardly dancing around in a g-string or sexy lingerie anyways. She is wearing Granny panties and a normal cut opaque bra. She's showing less than a woman in a bikini. I knew there was something funny about those underpants. |
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