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Post by spaneli on May 1, 2012 17:22:44 GMT -5
Having actresses in videos is immoral now. Gotcha. No. Selling out piece by piece is.   You might need this. "Of course the ad is trying to sell you something and by using the band you like attempting to gain your confidence by exploiting the band's integrity for a commercial end." That would be marketing, not selling out. Replace ad with promo video and band with "half naked actress" and replace integrity with "name" and you have Noel Gallagher's video in a nutshell. But that's obviously selling out piece by piece. I think you might need to review what selling out actually means. .......................................................................................................................... The "pay them, pay them now. Pay them double" part is obviously about Noel.  |
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Post by truefaith on May 1, 2012 18:15:14 GMT -5
I see a difference in the way Oasis was marketed and the marketing decisions around Noel solo carreer and I don't like any of them. I don't like the image of Noel it gives, I don't want to escuse every lame thing Noel does because "it's marketing". Oasis videos were shit but at least not lame to the degree of needing naked chicks to get aired. Using Misha Barton in underwear is the lamest thing a video can do. Noel is 45, I would expect him to do classy videos. We're far from it, only TDOYAM video was ok. Play with Chris Marin to get some interest on his brit performance was lame to me too. Supporting the RHCP is the lamest thing he has ever done IMO. Noel is a classy old rock pop act. I would expect him to act like that. His videos don't show it at all and are mostly pathetic. I won't escuse it because "it's marketing". Rock isn't supposed to be about marketing. Music isn't supposed to be about marketing. You're not supposed to agree to everything because it's "marketing". You're not Noel's manager ffs. You're entitled to think something Noel does is wrong. But you're so obsessed by him selling more and more records that you've totally forgot what being a fan means. It surely doesn't to think marketing is an escuse for everything. |
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Post by Rifles on May 1, 2012 18:20:45 GMT -5
Someone get this guy a tampon. God damn.
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Post by underneaththesky on May 1, 2012 18:21:23 GMT -5
'scuse me if I spoke too soon...'
yeah
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Post by spaneli on May 1, 2012 18:44:01 GMT -5
So now he can't use any half naked women? Videos have to be classy? Since when is rock n' roll "classy"? You do know you can't keep a straight argument/debate to save your life?
Look you've only just now come to forum. I've been here for a bit. I've disagreed with what Noel has done enough times, same as with Liam. Okay, so pull that "you're entitled to think that something Noel does is wrong" b.s. line. It's been pulled far too many times by posters like you who couldn't debate their way out of a paper bag. Because obviously that's the last vestiges of a failing argument. If you'd like, you go through my close to 5,000 posts to see how many times I've disagreed with what Noel has done if that makes you feel any better? But I doubt it would. You can claim the middle ground if you want, but don't use that team Noel team Liam b.s. on me.
Next time you question how I post you'd better come back at me with something better than a whole post filled with the word "lame". You have an issue with me you come back with proof and it better be good proof. Don't come back to me with a post that looks like it was written by a 15 year old who can't hold a sensible debate with another person. I'd like to think that when someone questions my fandom or the method by which I post I would deserve more.
Secondly, you have no right to question or put on trial anyone's fandom here. The people who are here are here for Oasis and because they love the group. So don't give me or anyone else here this b.s. about "forgetting what it means to be a fan." I've been here for four years, some have been here nearly a decade, some for far less, but every person here who consistently or positively contributes knows what it means to be a fan. I don't come here on an internet forum almost everyday because I don't know what it means to be a fan. I don't own every Oasis album or greatest hits because I don't know what it means to be fan. And I certainly don't save up so I can go see Noel and Liam live because I don't know what it means to be a fan. Nor does anyone else here I presume.
Get your facts straight because you're seriously lacking them.
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Post by truefaith on May 1, 2012 19:02:14 GMT -5
Next time you question how I post you'd better come back at me with something better than a whole post filled with the word "lame". You have an issue with me you come back with proof and it better be good proof. Don't come back to me with a post that looks like it was written by a 15 year old who can't hold a sensible debate with another person. I'd like to think that when someone questions my fandom or the method by which I post I would deserve more. Everytime someone question or doesn't like something Noel does like playing ith Chris Martin on the brits, or a bad video, you come down here and say "it's for marketing reason so it's ok". No it's not ok for me. I have the right to say so. I don't question the fact that you're a fan. I question your obsession for Noel selling more and more albums. For me being a fan is about the music, the respect for the artist, not his sells and not wanting him to do anything to get there. And for the last time, english isn't my first language, escuse me if I lack vocabulary, that doesn't allow you to say my post looks like a 15 years old. At least I speak and learn more languages than you'll ever be interested in learning. There's no need to be patroninzing because english is your firs language. |
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Post by spaneli on May 1, 2012 20:26:10 GMT -5
Next time you question how I post you'd better come back at me with something better than a whole post filled with the word "lame". You have an issue with me you come back with proof and it better be good proof. Don't come back to me with a post that looks like it was written by a 15 year old who can't hold a sensible debate with another person. I'd like to think that when someone questions my fandom or the method by which I post I would deserve more. Everytime someone question or doesn't like something Noel does like playing ith Chris Martin on the brits, or a bad video, you come down here and say "it's for marketing reason so it's ok". No it's not ok for me. I have the right to say so. I don't question the fact that you're a fan. I question your obsession for Noel selling more and more albums. For me being a fan is about the music, the respect for the artist, not his sells and not wanting him to do anything to get there. And for the last time, english isn't my first language, escuse me if I lack vocabulary, that doesn't allow you to say my post looks like a 15 years old. At least I speak and learn more languages than you'll ever be interested in learning. There's no need to be patroninzing because english is your firs language. "you've totally forgot what being a fan means." So you have amnesia as to what you write too? And then you go on to explain what being a fan means, but you're not questioning people's fandom? Yeah, I'm still waiting for that apology. But seeing as you just want to make excuses and not stand behind what you post here, I can see I might be waiting a long time for that apology. In my opinion you stepped over the line a couple of times in one post and it makes what you have to say very hard to take seriously. |
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Post by yeayeayeah on May 1, 2012 23:18:23 GMT -5
We haven't even seen the video yet, it might be good. He's not selling out by having a girl in hardly any clothes. WAL was like that and it was good.
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Post by mimmihopps on May 2, 2012 1:59:16 GMT -5
I haven't watched the video (if it's out?) yet, but we will wait and see what a surprise Mr. Gallagher brings to us.
What people would say if it would have been a half naked man instead of a woman? (bad joke)
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Post by truefaith on May 2, 2012 4:08:22 GMT -5
Everytime someone question or doesn't like something Noel does like playing ith Chris Martin on the brits, or a bad video, you come down here and say "it's for marketing reason so it's ok". No it's not ok for me. I have the right to say so. I don't question the fact that you're a fan. I question your obsession for Noel selling more and more albums. For me being a fan is about the music, the respect for the artist, not his sells and not wanting him to do anything to get there. And for the last time, english isn't my first language, escuse me if I lack vocabulary, that doesn't allow you to say my post looks like a 15 years old. At least I speak and learn more languages than you'll ever be interested in learning. There's no need to be patroninzing because english is your firs language. "you've totally forgot what being a fan means." So you have amnesia as to what you write too? And then you go on to explain what being a fan means, but you're not questioning people's fandom? Yeah, I'm still waiting for that apology. But seeing as you just want to make excuses and not stand behind what you post here, I can see I might be waiting a long time for that apology. In my opinion you stepped over the line a couple of times in one post and it makes what you have to say very hard to take seriously. Did I ask for apology when you talked to me like a mental person a few time? No. Because I don't actually care for your opinion. Like you always do, you avoid what I'm questioning aka the fact that the marketing banner allows you to think nothing Noel does is ever wrong. I'm often shocked by it in your posts. Instead of questioning that about yourself, you play the victim like a teenager. Really I'm done talking to you. You're just a kid with a huge ego. One day you'll discover the real word and you'll come down to earth, since then continue to think you're above everyone if you want but the fall will be hard. |
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Post by dylan12399 on May 2, 2012 5:55:51 GMT -5
Drove back to LA the next day not feeling great. Spent the day discussing what we could remember about the night before which in my case was virtually nothing. Good job Nancy had her shit together or it could well have been consigned to the dustbin.
The next day I had a video shoot for my new single. That'll be the 5th off this album which is unprecedented in all my time making records. This album is fast becoming my "Thriller"!! I played the part of a slightly hungover grumpy northern taxi driver which is just as well as that's exactly what I felt like. I feel it's some of my best work and most definitely worthy of at least one Bafta. That actress Mischa Barton was in it too. Nice girl. City fan would you believe!?!?
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Post by RocketMan on May 2, 2012 6:16:28 GMT -5
i love how noel destroys all those rock romantics on this forum ;D
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Post by cosmos on May 2, 2012 9:00:08 GMT -5
Who cares about the half naked women in the video or if it is for marketing reasons or just rock and roll attitude??? Oasis/Beady Eye and NGHFB videos are shit, no matter what is in them. The only videos I like and that are decent: DYKWIM, Go let it out and I´m outta time.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 2, 2012 9:04:45 GMT -5
what's the problem with women in underwear? He's a mainstream pop act doing what it takes to sell his work, why are you so surprised? Yeah you're right. I hope in Noel's next video he'll stand with a white fur coat and a gold teeth and some bikini chicks will dance around him. I had respect for Oasis for using entertaining guest in their video like Rhys Ifans. But really using has been misha in underwear is miles away of what I expected for EOTR video. But I've forgot that most of people here are willing to sell their grandma to see Noel sell a few more albums and have no morality over these things or what rock n roll spirit is. My bad. Rock N Roll Spirit. Its 2012. He's in his 40s. Fuck off. |
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Post by spaneli on May 2, 2012 9:52:11 GMT -5
Yeah you're right. I hope in Noel's next video he'll stand with a white fur coat and a gold teeth and some bikini chicks will dance around him. I had respect for Oasis for using entertaining guest in their video like Rhys Ifans. But really using has been misha in underwear is miles away of what I expected for EOTR video. But I've forgot that most of people here are willing to sell their grandma to see Noel sell a few more albums and have no morality over these things or what rock n roll spirit is. My bad. Rock N Roll Spirit. Its 2012. He's in his 40s. Fuck off. Don't mind him. He won't stand behind his words. He's lost whatever credibility he has. He's a flake. |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on May 2, 2012 9:52:14 GMT -5
oh god this section in this forum is just weird.
just respect if somebody says "5 singles sell out" or "noel is god". on a forum everybody can have his own opinion! it's funny to discuss but truefaith vs (i think) spaneli is just anoying.
you have different opinions and thats it. please stop blaming each other for being no real fan cause everybody who is really interested in writing in an gallagher brothers forum is kind of a fan.
my opinion is, that its utter shite to have 5 singles from a 10 track album but i think noel gives a flying fuck about my decision, so what. and even if it is just marketing noel gives a shit bout his marketing too i think^^
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Post by spaneli on May 2, 2012 10:04:13 GMT -5
oh god this section in this forum is just weird. just respect if somebody says "5 singles sell out" or "noel is god". on a forum everybody can have his own opinion! it's funny to discuss but truefaith vs (i think) spaneli is just anoying. you have different opinions and thats it. please stop blaming each other for being no real fan cause everybody who is really interested in writing in an gallagher brothers forum is kind of a fan. my opinion is, that its utter shite to have 5 singles from a 10 track album but i think noel gives a flying fuck about my decision, so what. and even if it is just marketing noel gives a shit bout his marketing too i think^^ I never questioned whether he was a fan or not. Just to be clear. I don't do those kind of things. |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on May 2, 2012 10:07:26 GMT -5
oh god this section in this forum is just weird. just respect if somebody says "5 singles sell out" or "noel is god". on a forum everybody can have his own opinion! it's funny to discuss but truefaith vs (i think) spaneli is just anoying. you have different opinions and thats it. please stop blaming each other for being no real fan cause everybody who is really interested in writing in an gallagher brothers forum is kind of a fan. my opinion is, that its utter shite to have 5 singles from a 10 track album but i think noel gives a flying fuck about my decision, so what. and even if it is just marketing noel gives a shit bout his marketing too i think^^ I never questioned whether he was a fan or not. Just to be clear. I don't do those kind of things. then sorry for this mistake mate |
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Post by truefaith on May 2, 2012 10:58:06 GMT -5
oh god this section in this forum is just weird. just respect if somebody says "5 singles sell out" or "noel is god". on a forum everybody can have his own opinion! it's funny to discuss but truefaith vs (i think) spaneli is just anoying. you have different opinions and thats it. please stop blaming each other for being no real fan cause everybody who is really interested in writing in an gallagher brothers forum is kind of a fan. my opinion is, that its utter shite to have 5 singles from a 10 track album but i think noel gives a flying fuck about my decision, so what. and even if it is just marketing noel gives a shit bout his marketing too i think^^ I never questioned whether he was a fan or not. Just to be clear. I don't do those kind of things. Ok Spanelli I know you're a fan. Everybody here is. BUT I won't apologize for thinking there's a lot of shitty decisions around Noel solo and I won't escuse it because "it's marketing". Rock n roll or Music in general isn't about marketing. Fans have the right to be shocked and it's not their jobs to care more about marketing than about moral values or respect or the artist. Everyone is entitled to their vision but I'm often vey shocked by what I read around here. Especially when people think erything is ok because it's marketing. Everything isn't ok. |
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Post by deasy on May 2, 2012 11:24:48 GMT -5
Rock n roll or Music in general isn't about marketing. Fans have the right to be shocked and it's not their jobs to care more about marketing than about moral values or respect or the artist. Everyone is entitled to their vision but I'm often vey shocked by what I read around here. Especially when people think erything is ok because it's marketing. Everything isn't ok. Well, if everything isn't ok, then what exactly is wrong? Is Noel solo career marketing not up to your idealistic standards? May I ask, who is up to your standards? Who out there is doing stuff where "everything is ok" in this idealistic world? Because I can't see many. Heck, if you see Chris Martin playing piano on one of his songs on one occasion as something terribly wrong, then I will be scared to hear your opinion on other things in the music world. |
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Post by RocketMan on May 2, 2012 11:32:10 GMT -5
I never questioned whether he was a fan or not. Just to be clear. I don't do those kind of things. Ok Spanelli I know you're a fan. Everybody here is. BUT I won't apologize for thinking there's a lot of shitty decisions around Noel solo and I won't escuse it because "it's marketing". Rock n roll or Music in general isn't about marketing. Fans have the right to be shocked and it's not their jobs to care more about marketing than about moral values or respect or the artist. Everyone is entitled to their vision but I'm often vey shocked by what I read around here. Especially when people think erything is ok because it's marketing. Everything isn't ok. oh boy. noel is an opportunist. he has always done everything to be succuessful. and if you think there are some decisions which are wrong then you must have misunderstood a few things. i would say everything noel has done around his solo-album is fine for the music he has released. it's a romantic album for the masses and not some kind of indie thing |
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Post by gdforever on May 2, 2012 11:41:55 GMT -5
I never questioned whether he was a fan or not. Just to be clear. I don't do those kind of things. Ok Spanelli I know you're a fan. Everybody here is. BUT I won't apologize for thinking there's a lot of shitty decisions around Noel solo and I won't escuse it because "it's marketing". Rock n roll or Music in general isn't about marketing. Fans have the right to be shocked and it's not their jobs to care more about marketing than about moral values or respect or the artist. Everyone is entitled to their vision but I'm often vey shocked by what I read around here. Especially when people think erything is ok because it's marketing. Everything isn't ok. There is absolutely nothing immoral about having Mischa Barton in a video. I understand English isn't your language...but buy a dictionary or use the Internet to look up the word. And playing with RHCP is not immoral. And playing with Chris Martin in not immoral. And people aren't justifying something they find repugnant because they want Noel to see albums. Most of us genuinely don't mind him doing it. We may not be the biggest fans of some of said groups, but it's no skin off our nose as long as it serves Noel well and he is staying true to himself. We don't view Coldplay or RHCP as some sort of Antichrists. And, more importantly, Noel doesn't either so he isn't compromising himself to do these things. The "15-year-old" part of your posts isn't only the vocabulary. It's your rationale. You view everything that doesn't coincide with your myopic personal opinions as immoral. Get a clue. The only way that Noel is betraying his integrity with Chris Martin or RHCP is if he has confessed to hating them and is doing it anyways for sales. The fact that you think that YOU disliking Coldplay means that Noel should shun them is self-obsessed to the point that you could not possibly be well-adjusted adult. And the fact that you seem convinced that people actual agree with you that these actions are empirically wrong but will allow them for sales is moronic and shows that you are incapable of even comprehending that people have different opinions than you. What a narcissist! It may be a shit video, but immoral? And why should I lose respect for an artist because their video stars an actress. Noel is not presenting himself as some sort of pimp...or the girls, so far, like objects like you insinuate with your comments about hip-hop videos. And we have no idea of what the video premise is. We don't even have screenshots. We have a few paparazzi photos from what would have been a day full of shooting. Frankly Mischa Barton is hardly dancing around in a g-string or sexy lingerie anyways. She is wearing Granny panties and a normal cut opaque bra. She's showing less than a woman in a bikini. |
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Post by truefaith on May 2, 2012 12:03:01 GMT -5
If everything is ok for you fine. It's not for me.
I don't care about marketing, if something seems to marketed for me, like using Misha barton in a video to get aired and buzzed, I have the right to say so. I see a lot of marketing decision in Noel solo carreer.
In BDI I don't see it so much. They do shit videos but without buzz guest star, they support the Stone Roses, not the RHCP, they choosed not to play Oasis songs for the first tour.
I see passion for music in BDI. I see passion for music in Noel. But I don't see passion for music in the way is promoted.
I don't see the Noel Gallagher that I love, that couldn't care less about the media games and was provocative in the 90's. I see a lot of oportunism in that.
He refused to have 5 singles for DM. He's having 5 for HFB and he says it like it's not even his decision. If he doesn't want the single he can say so like in 1994.
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Post by RocketMan on May 2, 2012 12:11:18 GMT -5
I don't see the Noel Gallagher that I love, that couldn't care less about the media games and was provocative in the 90's. I see a lot of oportunism in that. He refused to have 5 singles for DM. He's having 5 for HFB and he says it like it's not even his decision. If he doesn't want the single he can say so like in 1994. to give a fuck about the media, to be drunk in a radio-show, to say that you hate other bands and you're in the biggest band in the world is some kind of marketing. oasis was the band for the working-class. that was their brand. it's called "subversive marketing". |
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Post by deasy on May 2, 2012 12:14:22 GMT -5
In BDI I don't see it so much. They do shit videos but without buzz guest star, they support the Stone Roses, not the RHCP So basically, you think it's wrong because YOU like The Stone Roses and not the RHCP. Do you not see how that makes no sense? Beady Eye were on Alan Carr: Chatty Man and several other shows Oasis were never on, it's not like they refused to market themselves. There was no problem with them doing that and there is no problem with Noel having a minor well known actress in a music video. |
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