Suwonist is completely right


It's fine to comment stuff (either factual or hypothetical), but it's wrong to take a side when we THINK we know alot just because Liam and Noel talked a bit about it. Not saying everybody's doing it

yeah, i thought we agreed we weren't gonna talk about it anymore?

I've read ridiculous amount of Oasis books and interviews over the years and all the non-Gallaghers who have worked closely with them seem to agree on one thing:

When things get heated between Liam and Noel there's no chance anyone can intervene.

It's not just Andy. It's all these people who've worked with them who think it's just not their place, or a wise decision to step between them.

Anyone remembers the incident in the 90s when Noel broke Liam's bones with a cricket bat? Yeah, people fled the situation even then.

Maybe if the situation had been seriously life-threatening Andy would've intervened. Maybe it just developed so quickly, who knows. Liam took a swung and Noel broke the guitar within seconds.

I don't think that was really the problem NL4E.

At the time of the fight with Liam, of course it wasn't. But clearly Noel still holds a grudge against Andy for that night. I think he would be on better terms if Andy actually said something afterwards.

Remember, there's no mention of Gem getting involved, but Noel has no problem with him. Sure, he's closer to Gem than Andy to begin with, but it's been reported that Gem actually spoke to Noel directly afterwards. That kind of gesture can go a long way.....

Yes, giving a call etc is a good point, I agree.

What I was mainly referring to was the people who were saying Andy lacked balls/character when he didn't jump in and interfere.

I usually don't comment on stuff like this, but then I saw people attacking a musician that I respect for doubtful reasons so I did. I regret it a bit though..

Maybe Andy didn't call him because he didn't agree with Noel's actions, particularly the fact that he walked out on the band for the second time. I seem to recall an interview where someone brought up Noel's statement and how he claimed to feel "physically intimidated" and Andy or Gem very quickly cut in and basically said "That's crap - Noel Gallagher is intimidated by no one". Anyone have that interview?

Gem.

Some Gem+Andy quotes from that interview:

Q: Give me an impression of the atmosphere in Oasis in the first six months of 2009
Gem: When you're travelling on different planes and staying in different hotels, there's obviously something in the air."

Q: How did you feel about Noel's statement regarding your "Intimidating behaviour"?
Gem: Noel Gallagher is not intimidated by anybody

(Though I think he really can be.. there's several accounts in Oasis books written by outsiders in 90s about how Liam's violent behaviour really freaked him out.)

Gem: It was Donovan's birthday party, man. Noel is my mate. I didn't ask him about it, no. It's a week later and it's his kid's birthday. I'm not gonna walk in there and go, What about that fucking statement? I'm not like that. Look, for me, it was the best 10 years of me life.

Q: Can you remember your last words to Noel in Paris
Liam: Yeah I do - You go and fuckin' stand behind your big security guard.
Gem: I know it's Christmas, man, but fucking hell, No-el, No-el. What you lot want is Liam and Noel on the cover and some mistletoe.

Q: Was travelling separately absolutely necessary?
Andy: That's a question for Noel
Liam: We were all travelling together. I think noel just wanted to remove himself away, rather than break up.

Q: This is weird already. There's been a picture painted of you, Liam, deliberately isolating yourself from eveyone else...
Andy: That's quite surprising to me.

Q: So Noel isolated himself more than you did?
Liam: Without a doubt.
Gem: Noel's a private person and always has been. But it certainly wasn't Liam taking himself away, at all.

Gem: All that stuff today - 'Liam's a cock and he's travelling on his own', stresser Archer, The press ain't right. He wasn't. It's the opposite. I thought he was gonna go fucking crazy. Cos he could blow. But in the past two years he has never turned that switch.


This...

The tragedy, really, is that the story between them just isn't all that funny anymore.
Gem: "I know it's not. It's not. And people prod those two. And they gave us so fucking much."

I'm not going to lie, the press conference has pissed me off because Noel took none of the responsibility and directed all the blame to Liam. He just came off a bit childish.

At the very least, Liam admitted that he was drunk, and gave a somewhat reasonable explanation as to why he lost his temper.

You call Liam explanation of generally "the fight was No big deal. it wasn't my fault Oasis ended. It ended because Noel was looking for a reason to leave. It had nothing to do with me. Noel used me as an excuse"

Liam hasn't given any explanation of his lost temper to my knowledge. We know more about why Liam may have been on a warpath from Noel than from Liam.

Noel on the other hand at least said, "I should have gone back and done the rest of the gigs and talked about it after that and we could have gone on hiatus."