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Post by gdforever on Oct 17, 2010 18:13:50 GMT -5
www.nme.com/news/oasis/53451#Tony about his book. Apparently his his book is supposed to getting the rest of the guys some credit. lol Ironic since didn't somebody mention the fact that Tony eposed the fact that Noel didn't use Guigs bass bits and did it himself? If anything that makes me' think that Noel was more integral rather than less. lol I'm interested to read it though. Gonna get here in the next week or 2. What kind of thing did Tony say to shift credit for DM away from Noel? Just out of curiosity...
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Oct 17, 2010 19:33:42 GMT -5
Tony "I wrote most of definitely maybe. noel was my lover. my hair was a wig. liam is a hologram."
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Post by spaneli on Oct 17, 2010 20:12:42 GMT -5
www.nme.com/news/oasis/53451#Tony about his book. Apparently his his book is supposed to getting the rest of the guys some credit. lol Ironic since didn't somebody mention the fact that Tony eposed the fact that Noel didn't use Guigs bass bits and did it himself? If anything that makes me' think that Noel was more integral rather than less. lol I'm interested to read it though. Gonna get here in the next week or 2. What kind of thing did Tony say to shift credit for DM away from Noel? Just out of curiosity... Well I think that we can throw out that Tony isnt bitter.
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Post by songbird11 on Oct 17, 2010 20:42:15 GMT -5
He just wrote the shit for money i guess he's on the dole now.Alan white was better anyday as a drummer,though i've heard all drummers can play the same they all know the same,like all guitarists should know all the chords etc.
So tony says he wrote most of DM?? what a joke.
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Post by gdforever on Oct 17, 2010 21:31:19 GMT -5
He just wrote the shit for money i guess he's on the dole now.Alan white was better anyday as a drummer,though i've heard all drummers can play the same they all know the same,like all guitarists should know all the chords etc. So tony says he wrote most of DM?? what a joke. No...even Tony wouldn't go that far. I am a bit confused about his quote "Maybe even get other bandmembers recognised for once. It wasn't all about one person." One the the most surprising this that I have heard from people that have already read the book as that Noel played the bass of DM...which makes it even more about Noel and less about Guigs...and still no more about Tony. So basically that quote doesn't make any sense unless Tony can say something that showed that Noel did less than we had previously thought on Definitely Maybe...but i can't imagine that...
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Post by themanwithnoname on Oct 18, 2010 4:37:00 GMT -5
Well, Tony says for instance that Supersonic basically came out of a jam and that the Real People told Noel to write some lyrics for it. Same for Columbia, which he says Liam came up with some of the lyrics for. He also suggests the Oasis sound was well on the way to being formed before Noel joined and gives Bonehead plaudits as a talented musician who could play several instruments. Tony clearly fell out with Guigs (who he accuses of siding with Noel) so he doesn't throw much credit in his direction. The thing I most enjoyed about the book was the way Liam was portrayed. Funny, fearless and surprisingly tender. Tony's opinion is that he only ever wanted recognition and love from his brother, but Noel didn't give him any.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Oct 18, 2010 6:01:43 GMT -5
Liam wrote lyrics to Columbia. I knew that. Noel played bass on DM. I knew that (I think he may also have played some drums but Tony doesn't mention that...) Oasis sound was oasis before Noel? No. Listen to the songs they had before Noel and the first few songs Noel brought along (Snakebite, Colour my life) and you get a Stone Roses type sound NOT an Oasis type sound.
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 18, 2010 6:31:15 GMT -5
Tony "I wrote most of definitely maybe. noel was my lover. my hair was a wig. liam is a hologram." So was Tony bald? ;D Truth hits everybody... But don't believe the truth
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Post by spaneli on Oct 18, 2010 10:13:49 GMT -5
Well, Tony says for instance that Supersonic basically came out of a jam and that the Real People told Noel to write some lyrics for it. Same for Columbia, which he says Liam came up with some of the lyrics for. He also suggests the Oasis sound was well on the way to being formed before Noel joined and gives Bonehead plaudits as a talented musician who could play several instruments. Tony clearly fell out with Guigs (who he accuses of siding with Noel) so he doesn't throw much credit in his direction. The thing I most enjoyed about the book was the way Liam was portrayed. Funny, fearless and surprisingly tender. Tony's opinion is that he only ever wanted recognition and love from his brother, but Noel didn't give him any. Yeah Noel has never really said that he wrote the lyrics to Columbia. In the DM DVD he even makes fun of them. Liam has never claimed to have written them, but it wouldn't surprise me. They might be the simplest lyrics in Oasis' history. We already knew that Bonehead could play several instruments becuase he gets credit in every album that he's in for playing several instruments. About the Supersonic thing, EVERYONE who was there Liam, Bonehead, Noel, & the Real People said that he wrote that song by himself. Noel does say that it was the things around the studio that were the ideas for some of the lyrics. The Real People also say the same thing, in the DM video. Another thing, you can always tell people to write lyrics, the point is to write them. I don't think Supersonic is a song that Noel would've left blank, so them telling him to write some lyrics is a mute point. Another thing, to say that Oasis were well on their was to the "Oasis" song before Noel came is just retarded. Noel brought Live Forever, Bring It On Down (which Tony could barely play on), Up In The Sky ect, and parts of WTGMG & some of the B-sides when he came in. The Oasis sound was formed the second, Noel joined. The one thing that is definetly plausible is Liam wanting Noel's approval. But that's in any younger/older brother relationship or sister relationship. It doesnt surpise me that Liam is funny (of course), Fearless (which we always see), and tender. He is a human being no matter what image he tries to portray. But yeah that's just a regular brotherly/sisterly dynamic.
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Post by bwilder on Oct 18, 2010 10:20:06 GMT -5
So, who wrote all the songs?.... End of discussion.
Bye, Tony. Thanks for the sour grapes and not reading your contract.
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Post by Rita on Oct 18, 2010 10:28:47 GMT -5
I've always seen Liam as a tender person ;D And I think that him constantly wanting Noel's approval and only getting rejection was the origin to many of their fights, even if indirectly.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 18, 2010 10:33:32 GMT -5
By the comments here of those who read the book, it makes it exceedingly clear that Tony has some sort of vendetta against Noel, and is willing to stretch the truth, and sometimes even lie (despite the irony of the title) to bring Noel down.
It's sad and petty on so many levels, and is a reason why I won't buy nor read his book. If he disagrees with Noel, that's fine, but keep some humility in tact, then.
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Post by bigun on Oct 18, 2010 12:36:10 GMT -5
By the comments here of those who read the book, it makes it exceedingly clear that Tony has some sort of vendetta against Noel, and is willing to stretch the truth, and sometimes even lie (despite the irony of the title) to bring Noel down. It's sad and petty on so many levels, and is a reason why I won't buy nor read his book. If he disagrees with Noel, that's fine, but keep some humility in tact, then. One thing I can absolutely assure you of is the fact that Tony doesn't have a vendetta against Noel. Tony merely relays the facts as he sees them. If anything Noel has carried a vendetta against Tony for all these years. Check out how often he insults him when promoting a new album. To be honest as you haven't read the book I don't see how you can comment on it. By merely picking the postings on this forum you feel show some antagonism towards Noel and agreeing with them certainly isn't the way forward. The book is only partly about Noel the rest being a very humourous and open look at the formation of the band. The reviews in the UK have been five star so far and I personally commend Tony on both his time with Oasis and his book. I think ou may need to get out bit more often which would maybe help cure your infatuation with Noel.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Oct 18, 2010 12:43:38 GMT -5
Bigun, explain the Supersonic thing please. Even the Real People contradict Noel (as do Bonehead, Liam and Marc Coyle). Tony just seems full of shit after reading the book.
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Post by jilliam on Oct 18, 2010 14:09:00 GMT -5
BigUn= Robbo?
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Post by spaneli on Oct 18, 2010 14:25:56 GMT -5
Bigun, explain the Supersonic thing please. Even the Real People contradict Noel (as do Bonehead, Liam and Marc Coyle). Tony just seems full of shit after reading the book. The Real People have never claimed to have written the lyrics to Supersonic. They say that most of the lyrics came from Noel observing things around them and the studio. Liam says that Noel went off into a corner and wrote Suerpsonic and came back and gave it to him. Boenhead also says that Noel wrote Supersonic alone in a corner. Marc Coyle also says the same thing. Noel does say that Bonehead helped him write down the chords that he was playing. And the way Bonehead that Bonehead says it, was that him and Noel changed a couple chords while writting it down, and then recorded. There has never been a "jam session" as Tony says. As a matter of fact no one backs up Tony's story of Supersonic being a group effort. Everyone who was there that day says that Noel wrote Supersonic alone & then Bonehead helped him out with a few chords.
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Post by Casino Boogie on Oct 18, 2010 14:42:38 GMT -5
I've read the book and would recommend it - it's laugh out loud funny in places ('I think it's flour, self-raising flour'!) but I wouldn't take Tony's word as gospel. It might be his truth but there's loads of errors in there in terms of timings of when things happened (e.g. he gives the impression that as soon as Oasis were signed Noel and Liam were all over the national press - which is rubbish) and places (Sawmills ain't in Wales). He has a dig at Noel whenever possible which gets a bit tedious. Most of his truths / revelations (e.g. Noel didn't join with Definitely Maybe fully written) are well known through various interviews down the years.
But like I say it's a light, enjoyable read.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Oct 18, 2010 15:15:17 GMT -5
Also he mentions DVDs in 1994....
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Post by bwilder on Oct 18, 2010 15:25:43 GMT -5
I've always seen Liam as a tender person ;D And I think that him constantly wanting Noel's approval and only getting rejection was the origin to many of their fights, even if indirectly. Agreed.
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Post by gdforever on Oct 18, 2010 20:01:49 GMT -5
Well, Tony says for instance that Supersonic basically came out of a jam and that the Real People told Noel to write some lyrics for it. Same for Columbia, which he says Liam came up with some of the lyrics for. He also suggests the Oasis sound was well on the way to being formed before Noel joined and gives Bonehead plaudits as a talented musician who could play several instruments. Tony clearly fell out with Guigs (who he accuses of siding with Noel) so he doesn't throw much credit in his direction. The thing I most enjoyed about the book was the way Liam was portrayed. Funny, fearless and surprisingly tender. Tony's opinion is that he only ever wanted recognition and love from his brother, but Noel didn't give him any. So basically nothing of a practical nature that we don't already know as Oasis fans. The Real People involvement with Columbia...check. (As for the Supersonic thing...I don't believe his version of events...seeing as it's the first time that we have heard it despite everyone else having explicitly backed up Noel.) Bonehead played multiple instruments and helped Noel write down chord...check Liam is funny, fearless, and tender...check, check, check. As for the Liam wanting Noel's recognition and Noel withholding it...what the hell does he know about Noel and Liam's relationship? It's a relationship that was formed and developed for almost 20 years before Tony knew either of them! If Noel didn't express affection in the way that Tony thought he should...so what? Plus the idea of Noel never giving Liam recognition is bullshit. Noel has always maintained how brilliant Liam's voice was. He has always maintained that he was a brilliant frontman for the band. He complained about a lot of the shit that Liam did...but he never questioned his worth as a singer...particulary not in those first years when Liam's voice was at it's best. Maybe is Liam had been more professional and not gone out of his way the antagonise Noel he would have gotten more compliments. I have siblings...and I am positive that noone understand the relationships that I have with each of my siblings except them and I. Even my parents don't fully understand it. So frankly I am not interested in what Tony's opinion is of Noel and Liam's relationship and what Noel should have done different in it. He says that they were on their way to the Oasis sound before Noel joined? I call BS on that. Other than the fact that they already had the voice...that was it. And by saying that is he asserting that even if Noel hadn't joined and given them his songs Oasis would still have made it and sounded much the same? No way! Also...is anyone else getting a bit sick of bigun asserting that Tony has no ill feelings towards Noel? I know that you are friends with Tony and as such believe him when he asserts that he isn't bitter...but it's hardly out of the realm of possibility. I mean...comeon...he released this book specifically for the purpose of attempting to diminish the credit that Noel should get for the masterpiece that is DM. He just said so! And in the title is specifically points out that he is releasing the book as a rebuttle to Noel. If that doesn't scream a bitterness towards Noel I don't know what does. And so what is Noel is dismissive of Tony...that isn't bitterness...that is contempt for a middle of the road drummer that sued him because he thought that he had value although the usefullness he served was minimal. Apparently even Tony isn't stupid enough to claim that he had anything to do with what made Oasis great. When I think of early Oasis I always think of Noel's answer when he was asked something about what made an Oasis song. He said, when he writes something it's just him strumming on an acoustic guitar, when Bonehead plays on it it turns into a rock song, when Liam sings over it it turns into an Oasis song. I think that Noel did give credit where credit was due. The fact is that there are only 2 people in that band that were essential and one-of-a kind. Noel and Liam. Noone else was going to write those songs but Noel. And noone was going to sing them like Liam. Bonehead contributed...but his purpose could have been served by thousands of people. Guigs didn't contribute a great deal. And lord knows that Tony didn't add a great deal of inspiration to the songs. The fact is the credit for Oasis is where it belongs. Mostly with Noel and Liam, and to a far lesser degree with the other members of the band over the years
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 18, 2010 20:48:40 GMT -5
I've been looking around for it, but no luck. Amazon says it will be released April 2011: www.amazon.ca/Oasis-Truth-Life-Oasiss-Drummer/dp/1843582465/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287452525&sr=8-1I'm not bothering to order it, I'll wait it out, seeing as there's nothing groundbreaking or new. I never really minded Tony that much, apart from the way he keeps trying to sue the band so many years on now. His drumming was perfect for DM, he was there from the start, and was a part of their story. Cool, I respect that. We all know he couldn't handle MG drumming, but I don't hold that against him. I know that Noel is/has spoken very poorly of tony, quite regularly. So I suspect he's holding as much of a grudge as Tony, if anything. I think Tony should have just done the honourable thing, and been a bit more like Bonehead in that he owes a lot to the band and was part of it. Not to say he shouldnt have written the book, but if its all pot-shots, it doesnt come off well on him.
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 18, 2010 20:52:19 GMT -5
As for the Supersonic "jam", wasn't there a period of stalled unproductivity in the studio before others insisted Noel go and write some bsides for Bring It On Down? Maybe in that meandering, unproductive jam, the seed for supersonic was sown? That's the only possible explanation I can find for Tony's story. Either way, it was Noel who put the song together.
And speaking about bitter books on Oasis, there's that one by Chris Hutton called "Don't Look Back in Anger: Growing Up With Oasis". Interesting read but its been a while since I read it.
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Oct 18, 2010 21:08:41 GMT -5
I actually met Tony McCarrol back in '95 or '96 in of all places Tampa, Florida (where I live now). Met him twice over a span of a couple of days at some local bars. Seemed like a cool guy.
Ok....I'll try to make some sense out of it. A friend of mines younger brother had a roommate in college. That roommate had a cousin that was from Tampa but was living in L.A. & was dating Tony. It was the holiday time in December so I am assuming that she was 'home' visiting her family & invited her new boyfriend along.
I was indirectly invited out w/ the friend & was told 'oh that guy there was a drummer in Oasis!!' Already my favorite band back in '95 i had to go up & say hello. I was blown away to meet the guy who drummed in your favorite band on your favorite album (regardless that he got sacked!!) in a town like Tampa & not NYC or L.A. etc.
One funny part of the story was that in the Tampa area during that time there was a radio station that would promote some event or company or product etc., & at the beginning the drumming for Supersonic would come on but it was never the song...it always went into the dumb advert. They never played Oasis in Tampa til Wonderwall broke later on. I brought this up to McCarroll & he said "OH YEAH'....I've heard that same thing while in town & was like that's me drumming!! Where's the song??!!!!" We both laughed!!! I started telling him all these bands I knew & liked & he was quite amazed by my knowledge of bands.
I couldn't believe a couple days later I bumped into him & his girlfriend again @ a dive bar in Tampa & I went up to him to say hey again & he called me a walking music encyclopedia!!!
Anyway like him or hate him I thought it was pretty cool how I met him & that we chatted about some rock n roll!!
Maybe Bigun can verify this story b/c it was definitely McCarroll.
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Post by bigun on Oct 19, 2010 10:09:07 GMT -5
My word we are a very serious bunch on this forum. The book is an extremely funny read which states things such as 'Noel wrote pieces of brilliance and called them songs''You had to hand it to Noel he had dragged us to becoming a hit rocknroll band''Noel is a songwriting genius'. It is not all anti Noel as some people keep on repeating. Also the book is out now on Amazon and Play and can be posted worldwide.
In reply to the angry man who wanted to know why Tony dared to comment on Noel and Liam's relationship. Tony has known Liam and Noel since he was thirteen years of age. He grew up with them before the band was even formed. Their parents were friends. If has got an opinion on their relationship it is backed by experience.
The story surrounding Supersonic is true. Tony and Bonehead started the song and Noel eventually joined in. He then added the lyrics seperately. If you ask the Realies they will confirm this as true. If you look back a couple of months you will find an interview from Noel where he confirms this as well. Funnily enough this interview was given after he had read the book.
The book certainly has lots of new stuff in it - eg Tony's input to 'Half the World Away' etc etc. It's a great read even though Noel's lawyers removed the more controversial parts. Shame really.
Live Forever, BigUn.
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Post by Rita on Oct 19, 2010 11:25:29 GMT -5
It's a great read even though Noel's lawyers removed the more controversial parts. Shame really. Like what? Is Noel actually a girl? I don't know why you people get so upset about this either. Look at where Noel is now and how much he means to people... Tony can write 1000 books with "controversial" shit, it won't change a thing. The only thing it'll do is entertain us fans with a few curiosities, which we'll probably never know how much of it is actually 100% true, anyway.
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