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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 10, 2010 19:24:56 GMT -5
Liam and Tony are the only ones who have the balls to tell the truth. Noel is full of shit, Bonehead and Guigsy were up Noel's arse, Andy never says anything, and Gem's just the same as Andy. Sigh. Noel is a well intentioned man. Of course the quick rise to fame and elevated social class mixed with drugs and alcohol led to his making some poor behavioral decisions when he was young. But for at least a decade now, he has really matured and grown up. Noel is genuine, even if he does inflate stories for effect. And as it's already been pointed out, Noel never says anything mean in public, but rather witty, thoughtful and always engaging stories. Skinner mentioned that Noel could be a comedian with work (Interview in 2000 I believe). I would have to agree. Noel has a gift of telling stories, and re-watching his interviews on youtube never get old. You don't know him you bloody idiot. Stop pretending like your his mate or something
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Post by NYR on Oct 10, 2010 22:23:20 GMT -5
tomlivesforever is right, l4e. you don't know noel. he could be the world's biggest prick for all we know... but we don't. that allows us to create an image of what we want this person to be, no matter who it is. sure, interviews provide brief glimpses into him as a person, but that's not what you see behind the scenes.
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Post by bluemagpie on Oct 11, 2010 1:30:38 GMT -5
Liam and Tony are the only ones who have the balls to tell the truth. Noel is full of shit, Bonehead and Guigsy were up Noel's arse, Andy never says anything, and Gem's just the same as Andy. Sigh. Noel is a well intentioned man. Of course the quick rise to fame and elevated social class mixed with drugs and alcohol led to his making some poor behavioral decisions when he was young. But for at least a decade now, he has really matured and grown up. Noel is genuine, even if he does inflate stories for effect. And as it's already been pointed out, Noel never says anything mean in public, but rather witty, thoughtful and always engaging stories. Skinner mentioned that Noel could be a comedian with work (Interview in 2000 I believe). I would have to agree. Noel has a gift of telling stories, and re-watching his interviews on youtube never get old. Well said. No, we don't know him, but the impression I've got is that he's definitely a good guy whose talent and personality I greatly admire.
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Post by paranoidandroid on Oct 11, 2010 4:17:49 GMT -5
book arrived this morning. Looking forward to reading it
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 11, 2010 9:51:09 GMT -5
Sigh. Noel is a well intentioned man. Of course the quick rise to fame and elevated social class mixed with drugs and alcohol led to his making some poor behavioral decisions when he was young. But for at least a decade now, he has really matured and grown up. Noel is genuine, even if he does inflate stories for effect. And as it's already been pointed out, Noel never says anything mean in public, but rather witty, thoughtful and always engaging stories. Skinner mentioned that Noel could be a comedian with work (Interview in 2000 I believe). I would have to agree. Noel has a gift of telling stories, and re-watching his interviews on youtube never get old. You don't know him you bloody idiot. Stop pretending like your his mate or something I do speak for the band. I'm speaking NOW for the band.
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Post by lillyjean123 on Oct 11, 2010 10:06:57 GMT -5
Who is bigun?
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Post by beadyeyeunofficial on Oct 11, 2010 11:59:38 GMT -5
You don't know him you bloody idiot. Stop pretending like your his mate or something I do speak for the band. I'm speaking NOW for the band. Pretentious tosser. You don't even know that much about the band. I probably know more about the band than you do.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 11, 2010 12:33:58 GMT -5
I do speak for the band. I'm speaking NOW for the band. Pretentious tosser. You don't even know that much about the band. I probably know more about the band than you do. You clearly didn't get the reference.
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Post by thomas09 on Oct 11, 2010 13:16:50 GMT -5
I do speak for the band. I'm speaking NOW for the band. Pretentious tosser. You don't even know that much about the band. I probably know more about the band than you do. although to be fair, you make half of it up in your own little head all those bullshit beady eye stories spring to mind...
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Post by beadyeyeunofficial on Oct 11, 2010 13:22:32 GMT -5
Pretentious tosser. You don't even know that much about the band. I probably know more about the band than you do. although to be fair, you make half of it up in your own little head all those bullshit beady eye stories spring to mind... Mine are funny. His are just...gay!
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Post by jilliam on Oct 11, 2010 17:18:12 GMT -5
tomlivesforever is right, l4e. you don't know noel. he could be the world's biggest prick for all we know... but we don't. that allows us to create an image of what we want this person to be, no matter who it is. sure, interviews provide brief glimpses into him as a person, but that's not what you see behind the scenes. sexual chocolate! THIS! 1,000,000,000,000,000x's THIS! In the past couple of years I've met ppl who were just starting out in the "industry", be it as "actors/musicians/etc, they were very cool ppl to be around, seeing most of them now, they are a totally different person. FAME, MONEY and MORE FAME will change a person. When we see rock stars/celebs doing interviews, most of those interviews are scripted and the questions have been rehearsed AND approved and sometimes answered by some PR person. Its all about image. When you're starting out, your interviews are more honest, once ppl see your career has longevity, ppl/assistants work they're ass off to keep you relevant and having a very sweet/nice image. When you've been in the industry for the amount of time Noel and Liam have been, you eventually "play the game". ITS ALL A FUCKIN SHAM!!!! They ONLY ppl who can claim to know Noel are his missus, Liam, their older brother and the band. Sure, some of the stuff Tony writes in the book might be a bit exaggerated. He's been out of the scene for how many years? Sure he knows he isn't going to serge to stardom once again with a book, id say a good amount (NOT ALL) of the stuff written has a good deal of truth to it....where there's smoke there's fire I always say. My book is on its way, cant wait to read it.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 11, 2010 17:45:11 GMT -5
tomlivesforever is right, l4e. you don't know noel. he could be the world's biggest prick for all we know... but we don't. that allows us to create an image of what we want this person to be, no matter who it is. sure, interviews provide brief glimpses into him as a person, but that's not what you see behind the scenes. sexual chocolate! THIS! 1,000,000,000,000,000x's THIS! In the past couple of years I've met ppl who were just starting out in the "industry", be it as "actors/musicians/etc, they were very cool ppl to be around, seeing most of them now, they are a totally different person. FAME, MONEY and MORE FAME will change a person. When we see rock stars/celebs doing interviews, most of those interviews are scripted and the questions have been rehearsed AND approved and sometimes answered by some PR person. Its all about image. When you're starting out, your interviews are more honest, once ppl see your career has longevity, ppl/assistants work they're ass off to keep you relevant and having a very sweet/nice image. When you've been in the industry for the amount of time Noel and Liam have been, you eventually "play the game". ITS ALL A FUCKIN SHAM!!!! They ONLY ppl who can claim to know Noel are his missus, Liam, their older brother and the band. Sure, some of the stuff Tony writes in the book might be a bit exaggerated. He's been out of the scene for how many years? Sure he knows he isn't going to serge to stardom once again with a book, id say a good amount (NOT ALL) of the stuff written has a good deal of truth to it....where there's smoke there's fire I always say. My book is on its way, cant wait to read it. Liam and Noel have never been fake. As I mentioned earlier, their quick rise to fame and wealth made them act irresponsibly, but both have grown up - Noel apparently more so. Regardless, Noel's interviews are always engaging, direct, witty, open, and honest. Fame may have changed them, but so has aging. If anything, Noel is a better person now than he was in 1997.....
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Post by gdforever on Oct 11, 2010 18:24:58 GMT -5
tomlivesforever is right, l4e. you don't know noel. he could be the world's biggest prick for all we know... but we don't. that allows us to create an image of what we want this person to be, no matter who it is. sure, interviews provide brief glimpses into him as a person, but that's not what you see behind the scenes. sexual chocolate! THIS! 1,000,000,000,000,000x's THIS! In the past couple of years I've met ppl who were just starting out in the "industry", be it as "actors/musicians/etc, they were very cool ppl to be around, seeing most of them now, they are a totally different person. FAME, MONEY and MORE FAME will change a person. When we see rock stars/celebs doing interviews, most of those interviews are scripted and the questions have been rehearsed AND approved and sometimes answered by some PR person. Its all about image. When you're starting out, your interviews are more honest, once ppl see your career has longevity, ppl/assistants work they're ass off to keep you relevant and having a very sweet/nice image. When you've been in the industry for the amount of time Noel and Liam have been, you eventually "play the game". ITS ALL A FUCKIN SHAM!!!! They ONLY ppl who can claim to know Noel are his missus, Liam, their older brother and the band. Sure, some of the stuff Tony writes in the book might be a bit exaggerated. He's been out of the scene for how many years? Sure he knows he isn't going to serge to stardom once again with a book, id say a good amount (NOT ALL) of the stuff written has a good deal of truth to it....where there's smoke there's fire I always say. My book is on its way, cant wait to read it. What the hell is this? Fair enough that fame and money change people. But for the most part, this book isn't about a famous and rich group of people. For most of this book they will have been not famous and poor. I doubt he had much to do with any of these guys post-95. And you know what else? Crack and cocaine will also change people. And the fact is that the Noel that this book outlines is an addict. Noel has acknowledged the fact that he became a bit of a prick by the late 90's. Tony has never known non-junkie Noel. Noel was on drugs before Oasis, and so before Tony, and stayed on drugs until 1999...after Tony was long gone. As for playing the game, do you honestly think that Noel and Liam are scripted? Noel does not have a sweet/nice public persona. If anything public perception is that he is cranky and rude. He is hardly Kylie or Britney Spears that can be sent for PR lessons on how to behave and what so say to promote a certain issue. Or to listen to some PR prick briefing telling him what topics he can or cannot discuss! From my point of view...Noel has been a pretty consistent interview from the beginning. I haven't noticed him doing those tell-tale signs of exhaustive "pre-interviews." There was no controlling him around 97 whenthey were their most famous...so why would they have tried when their fame had faded substantially in the next century? I think any changes are related to him coming off drugs rather than being controlled So because Tony isn't famous he is more likely to be telling the truth? Frankly I don't believe that. I think that someone that dishes on famous people for money is more likely to inflate bad behaviour than just about anyone! If Tony tried to write a book about himself noone would care...so instead he wrote a book about Noel and Liam...I find that dispicable at the core of it. Totally within his rights...but still distasteful.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 11, 2010 21:04:58 GMT -5
THIS! 1,000,000,000,000,000x's THIS! In the past couple of years I've met ppl who were just starting out in the "industry", be it as "actors/musicians/etc, they were very cool ppl to be around, seeing most of them now, they are a totally different person. FAME, MONEY and MORE FAME will change a person. When we see rock stars/celebs doing interviews, most of those interviews are scripted and the questions have been rehearsed AND approved and sometimes answered by some PR person. Its all about image. When you're starting out, your interviews are more honest, once ppl see your career has longevity, ppl/assistants work they're ass off to keep you relevant and having a very sweet/nice image. When you've been in the industry for the amount of time Noel and Liam have been, you eventually "play the game". ITS ALL A FUCKIN SHAM!!!! They ONLY ppl who can claim to know Noel are his missus, Liam, their older brother and the band. Sure, some of the stuff Tony writes in the book might be a bit exaggerated. He's been out of the scene for how many years? Sure he knows he isn't going to serge to stardom once again with a book, id say a good amount (NOT ALL) of the stuff written has a good deal of truth to it....where there's smoke there's fire I always say. My book is on its way, cant wait to read it. What the hell is this? Fair enough that fame and money change people. But for the most part, this book isn't about a famous and rich group of people. For most of this book they will have been not famous and poor. I doubt he had much to do with any of these guys post-95. And you know what else? Crack and cocaine will also change people. And the fact is that the Noel that this book outlines is an addict. Noel has acknowledged the fact that he became a bit of a prick by the late 90's. Tony has never known non-junkie Noel. Noel was on drugs before Oasis, and so before Tony, and stayed on drugs until 1999...after Tony was long gone. As for playing the game, do you honestly think that Noel and Liam are scripted? Noel does not have a sweet/nice public persona. If anything public perception is that he is cranky and rude. He is hardly Kylie or Britney Spears that can be sent for PR lessons on how to behave and what so say to promote a certain issue. Or to listen to some PR prick briefing telling him what topics he can or cannot discuss! From my point of view...Noel has been a pretty consistent interview from the beginning. I haven't noticed him doing those tell-tale signs of exhaustive "pre-interviews." There was no controlling him around 97 whenthey were their most famous...so why would they have tried when their fame had faded substantially in the next century? I think any changes are related to him coming off drugs rather than being controlled So because Tony isn't famous he is more likely to be telling the truth? Frankly I don't believe that. I think that someone that dishes on famous people for money is more likely to inflate bad behaviour than just about anyone! If Tony tried to write a book about himself noone would care...so instead he wrote a book about Noel and Liam...I find that dispicable at the core of it. Totally within his rights...but still distasteful. gdforver, is completely right. The book isnt talking about 5-10 years into Oasis' career, its about the early formative years & the small bit of fame that Tony had with Oasis. So jilliam your arguement doesnt fit the debate. Another thing, Noel is the same person who does interviews either drunk or with a hang over. Sp if someone is giving him talking points or keeping an eye on his, then they're doing a shit job. I kinda get what NYR is, but you could almost spin that same argument back to Tony. Just because Tony releases a "tell all" book, doesnt mean we know who he is. I bet you if you streamed all of Noel's interviews you would basically have a book, so him and Tony are on the same footing. Another thing, if you don't think that Tony isnt trying to make an image right now then you're kidding yourself. Tony has to look like the victim in the public/book. He may not consciously be doing it, but he is doing it sub consciously. Does that make Noel or Tony better, no one knows except for Tony and Noel & the people who were there around that time.
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Post by NYR on Oct 11, 2010 22:20:22 GMT -5
I probably know more about the band than you do. unofficially.
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Post by mememe26 on Oct 13, 2010 16:50:26 GMT -5
That's me finished the book now. Not a bad read at all. Tony seems quite bitter towards Noel and has a lot of digs at him but that's no surprise really. Few things surprised me in the book, the fact Tony says Noel didn't use any of Guigsys bass on Definitely Maybe, Noel recorded the bass bits himself. The talk of crack, doesn't directly say Liam & Noel took it but from readin' the book I'm assumin' they did. Never heard them mention takin' it though. And a quick question for BigUn, says in book you and Noel ain't close now, was this to do with Tony?
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Post by NYR on Oct 13, 2010 22:28:24 GMT -5
The talk of crack, doesn't directly say Liam & Noel took it but from readin' the book I'm assumin' they did. Never heard them mention takin' it though. i'm not shocked about crack. i'm sure they switched over to cocaine once they had the money to afford it!
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Oct 14, 2010 3:02:06 GMT -5
I dunno about the crack. Noel seems to have been almost exclusively cocaine very early on
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Post by paranoidandroid on Oct 14, 2010 5:25:54 GMT -5
still only read about 20 or so pages. Must 'crack' on with it tonight
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Oct 14, 2010 7:08:32 GMT -5
Crack is only mentioned once (as far as I remember) by the way.
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Post by beadyeyeunofficial on Oct 14, 2010 11:48:22 GMT -5
So is Bigun also known as Bonehead?
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Post by mememe26 on Oct 14, 2010 14:05:58 GMT -5
So is Bigun also known as Bonehead? No.
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Seem to be lots of negativity and untruths flying around this forum. Noel would be proud.
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Post by bigun on Oct 15, 2010 2:52:22 GMT -5
No I am not Bonehead I am BigUn!! Fair review above although I must point out that Tony isn't a bitter person. There was always going to be some animosity towards Noel when Tony was speaking about his time in the band. What I found really interesting about the book are all the funny stories and Tony's turn of phrase. I also feel that Tony is the only one who correctly describes the dynamics within the band.
I guess that the power that Noel gained changed him somewhat but although somewhat understandable it doesn't make it right.
ps. Has anyone heard 'The Importance of Being Idle' in it's originality? By the Young Disciples on a demo given to Noel to listen to?? No? Thought not. The Man is still at work.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Oct 15, 2010 5:13:30 GMT -5
The Young Disciples? Weren't they that soul band that did 'Apparently Nothin'? Used to love that song. Would be interesting to hear that. I ordered the book and it arrived yesterday. I've dipped in and out so far, will read it in its entirety when I get chance. An interesting read so far, especially Tony's insight into the band dynamics (as BigUn says). The picture he paints is of Noel basically establishing a dictatorship once McGee got involved and started whispering in his ear. If it's true about the way the contracts were changed before the band signed them so that it gave Noel the right to fire anyone except Liam then that's pretty shameful. I really felt for Tony when he described the moment Marcus Russell called him to say he was out of the band, although the constant barbs from Noel probably meant he felt relieved it was all over in a funny way. Never realised Guigs could be so vicious either, thought he was just a harmless stoner! It's also interesting to hear how much input The Real People had into the early material, certainly the book suggests it was more than Noel has ever really acknowledged. I've got to say I'm most surprised at how well Liam comes out of the book compared to Noel. Liam seems quite vulnerable, caring and loyal while Noel appears to become ruthless and distant once the deal with Sony/Creation was signed. Some great stories in there - like Cantona's Mercedes getting trashed and the stuff that happened on the road. Hats off to all concerned for the amount of 'goodtime' that was consumed along the way. All in all, a good read. By the way, am I mistaken or is that a quote from this very forum in the end section where Tony explodes a few myths that have built up about what happened? It's someone describing his drumming as not the greatest but a perfect fit for the early Oasis sound. I'm sure I remember someone here saying that.
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Post by geezerdufc on Oct 15, 2010 10:33:39 GMT -5
Just finished the book.
My view:
Early on in the book I was thinking he was very bitter towards Noel. As the book goes on, I can tell clearly that Tony got mugged with regard to his sacking etc so I could understand why he is coming across like this.
I quite believe Noel was a chunt in his younger years. Everybody hated the Gallaghers in the mid to late 90s.
However, Noel wrote all the songs, Noel made the band what they were, Noel got to where he and Oasis stand today because of him and Liam. If Noel didnt join the band in the first place then there'd be no Oasis as we know it.
I did sometimes wonder how Tony could possibly recap all these stories if he was out his napper on drink and drugs aswell. But I bought the book because I wanted to hear Tonys say. Its only fair seeing as I've heard enough digs at him, I think its only fair he defends himself. To the same degree I didnt take everything he says as absolute truth. But its interesting, its funny, and is a good read.
If people can't read it because they fear too many pot shots aimed at Noel then get a grip!!! Some of you sound like you'll take it personally, idiots!
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