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Post by matt on Oct 3, 2023 8:45:31 GMT -5
I'd highly recommend reading the hefty but fascinating The Creation Records Story: My Magpie Eyes are Hungry for the Prize by David Cavanagh. It might just be the best music book I've ever read, an extensive trawl through the history of the record company and gives great insight into the acts on the label including Ride.
Andy is interviewed and the Ride story is a fascinating account of how their shoegaze sound risked being 'irrelevant' in amongst the dominant dance vibes of the late 80s/90s that was dominant in indie music. Regardless, the quality shone through. If an album is good enough it will find its place.
A great read, I'm getting towards the last quarter of the book when a certain Oasis start popping up, but its fascinating for anyone who wants insight into the culture and workings that helped produce our favourite band.
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Post by matt on Oct 1, 2023 15:30:54 GMT -5
Been digging around and found this interesting comment from Noel from just before the DIV sessions started. If Fearless made a really weird and far out sounding album then that wasn’t the brief. Noel claims he just didn’t want to be the one telling other songwriters in the band their songs were shit so wanted a producer in to do that 🙃 In a recent interview with Manchester City Life, Noel said, "I was saying to Richard Fearless, 'We don't really need anyone to freshen up the sound, we don't want anyone to produce it. The reason we want Death In Vegas to produce it is because we want you to, not because we need you to.' I'm quite capable of doing it myself, I can happily make a psychedelic rock record of my own. But I can't be fucking arsed this time... why should I do all the fucking work? "Nobody else in the band wanted to use any outside producers, they all wanted me to produce it. Now I'd love to but I wouldn't feel comfortable telling other people, 'Now this song is shit and that and it's not going on the album.' So it was my idea to get someone who had no connections with the band and say, 'Here's all the fucking songs, now do summat with it.' The rest of the band were pretty dead set against that for ages and ages. Trying to convince Liam was the hardest thing. He'd always be like, 'What they fuck do producers do anyway? Sit there, drink coffee and tell you how shit you are.'" Recording begins this week in Noel's own studio on his Buckinghamshire Estate. oasisinterviews.blogspot.com/2004/01/noel-gallagher-nme-3rd-january-2004.html?m=1Yeah I’m not buying that he got two well respected producers to go an island in Cornwall just to tell the others their songs were shit. And no, you aren’t capable of producing a psychedelic record Noel 😂 Put a fucking sitar on it and copy The Beatles, that's usually the shite it amounted to for Oasis and Noel. |
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Post by matt on Sept 30, 2023 14:16:19 GMT -5
Bland beyond belief. Generic 'rawk' music, uninspired to the extreme. Who are they trying to kid when they try to write rock songs, we've suffered enough with The Miracle and American Soul.
U2 rocking out genuinely sound like a parody of a rock band. Dunno what happened to their artfulness and ambition, it's unrecognisable from the band they once were.
If it's a long term thing that Larry is unable to tour, then they ought to call it a day.
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Post by matt on Sept 30, 2023 11:31:13 GMT -5
Don't Stop is, and always was, rubbish. A dreary tune. Totally agree. Yep, one of the worst songs he's ever written. |
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Post by matt on Sept 29, 2023 16:33:50 GMT -5
Don't Stop is, and always was, rubbish. A dreary tune.
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Post by matt on Sept 29, 2023 9:11:31 GMT -5
It won't sell more with Squire involved. If he's co-writing, you can guarantee his songs will be far inferior to Kurstin and Wyatts, signalling commercial suicide for Liam.
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Post by matt on Sept 27, 2023 8:00:56 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Sept 27, 2023 7:56:38 GMT -5
Chasing Yesterday is dull and his worst album. Song Remains and Riverman are the only two saving graces. Production is awful on the first album but the other main issue is the songwriting falls off a cliff in the last third.
Who Built The Moon is the only album Noel has released that sounds fresh, energetic, relevant and doesn't live in the shadow of Oasis
Council Skies is fine, but might be the most throwaway record he's ever released.
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Post by matt on Sept 26, 2023 6:38:25 GMT -5
Squire and Liam "wrote" together Love Me and Leave Me. It was a good song. So why not ? It would be better than someone completely chosen by the label. At least some authenticity to it if they collaborate for real. + Liam voice and Squire guitar playing... hyped to hear that. How does Squire make it more authentic over, say, Kurstin or Wyatt? |
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Post by matt on Sept 23, 2023 15:05:48 GMT -5
I was so caught up in "being a mod" at the time, that I didn't allow myself to really love The Clash. So tribal back then. After The Jam split in 1982, I grew up (a bit) and let in a lot of other stuff. Top 5? 1.White Man ... 2.Rudy Can't Fail 3. Train In Vain (best hidden track of all time?)4.Lost in the Supermarket 5.Somebody Got Murdered Produced such a wide range of music. Tomorrow, my list would be completely different. Definitely. It's unique that these songs on your list above are sung by Mick Jones except White Man...  Love "Sing Micheal Sing" by Strummer in the start of Rudy Can't Fail. I still have London Calling LP which my dearest late mum saved for me after all those years. A double LP for the price of one, it was something what Joe Strummer would do and he did it, even with their following up Sandinista which was a triple LP. The youngest son of a diplomat could never become rich. So pleased to see love for this track. Maybe my favourite Clash song. Can't not shuffle my feet to it. |
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Post by matt on Sept 23, 2023 14:51:42 GMT -5
I’d be more than happy with Liam’s White Album to be honest 😂 Do I want to hear a 50 year old Liam doing punk rock? Would it be any good? I’m not so sure. I do. Personally I prefer the Oasis side which veers more towards sex pistols horizons rather than Beatles. The Beatles made me tired. When Oasis or the Gallaghers in general play at being the Beatles I get bored. I agree, I get the melodic inspiration on their more poppy songs like Whatever, which I think is fantastic. But when they increasingly sonically mimicked The Beatles with every opportunity, which seemed ever more prevalent further into their career, it became so tiresome and the unfavourable comparisons were justified. Beady Eye took it the extremes which is why I despise their records. And I talk as a hardcore Beatles fan - I've got everything they've done, we've got the real thing, I don't need some musical equivalent of Tesco budget own brand shite. Now your punkier stuff, with a bit of an edge to it is where its at. Wall Of Glass, Everything's Electric... yeah sure they're fairly mainstream so not punk by any stretch but it has that venomous streak to it. When Liam's spitting out the words at a quick rate, there's no better sound in music. That quick fire edge. Add to the Oasis classics like Headshrinker, Bring It On Down, Shock of the Lightning... then you've got a list of absolute belters. At 51 years old, Liam isn't too old for punk rock. He ain't some refined rocker trying to get a bit of edge, he's always had it and never lost it. I think it's a shame its never been utilised that much in his music. It worries me he's working with John Squire though. A has been who hasn't written anything remotely good in over three decades. Most of his work is a parody of rock music and that's an easy trap for Liam to fall into. |
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Post by matt on Sept 22, 2023 18:23:49 GMT -5
Meh, I think it was on the way down 2019-2022 but he's been great this tour Yeah maybe decline is too strong a word. Just a big difference from 2011 where he effortlessly held notes. Does he still smoke? As a singer, surely the last thing you want to do. |
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Post by matt on Sept 22, 2023 17:09:16 GMT -5
Its alpha male banter, that's their whole premise. And it just creates blindspots to the likes of Morgan and further enables predators like Brand. Works similarly to mob mentality. Whenever I hear (or read) alpha male shite and glamorization of lad culture there's an alarm bell going off in my head. Scumbags love hiding in grey areas.Yeah, case in point being the murder of Sarah Everard here in the UK. Brutally killed by a police officer, enabled by his colleagues who indulged in alpha male misogynistic banter. Made it all the easier for him to get away with it. Same with Brand. It's not a joke, it has consequences. |
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Post by matt on Sept 22, 2023 12:12:33 GMT -5
I find the idea that two close friends didn't discuss the incident off air, before and after the broadcast, nonsensical. Given the attitude and tone shown during the conversation about use of a disabled platform, it would hardly be shocking for Matt Morgan to be comfortable with some lads, lads, lads bollocks 14 years before. Its alpha male banter, that's their whole premise. And it just creates blindspots to the likes of Morgan and further enables predators like Brand. Works similarly to mob mentality. |
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Post by matt on Sept 22, 2023 12:05:13 GMT -5
What are you talking about? He's on radio laughing about Brand exposing himself to a woman. In what scenario is that ok? There is a difference between getting your nob out and raping a 16 year old girl. Nice of you to trivialise it. |
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Post by matt on Sept 21, 2023 11:13:33 GMT -5
I accept that, and I accept the reasoning he would know where the line is with this matter. What I'm trying to say is that as somebody who seemingly has an opinion on most things in society, I don't think he's entitled to express that given he has voluntarily taken himself out of it. And when you misjudge your friends on the level of having somebody like Brand as your best man, then he just further devalues himself and his own opinions. You’re coming across as slightly deranged here. Whatever. I don't think celebs have any valid opinions on society, Noel especially, and I'll keep that opinion. |
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Post by matt on Sept 20, 2023 16:56:49 GMT -5
My problem with him is there is genuine social issues at play in the world and he has dismissed them out of hand. He is rich man who only keeps a circle of celebrity pals and he definitely sounds like it. His narrow viewpoint of the world is not going to be conducive to this thing. I think his friendship with the likes of Brand et.al. and that whole celeb jetset lifestyle is symptomatic of his recent views on everything, in that you cannot possible speak on social issues because you have so far removed yourself from society. I don't expect him to reverse that trend here and I speak of it as a problem with celebrity in general. It's a tight bubble that very rarely offers solutions to the worlds ills, in most cases only props them up but unfortunately we all fall hook line and sinker to their views regardless. I think you're putting too much weight on celebrities mate, and also not considering that Noel in the end wouldn't be particularly bothered/concerned/aware of certain issues anyway. He's not the type, he's not been educated that way, he was working class and proud (still is proud of course) but wasn't exactly offering social commentary with his music or his stands when he wasn't *this* rich and famous yet. Obviously his current situation has made him more detatched from society, but he's not that influential at all. And while I believe he chats shit on things he has no understanding of from time to time with the same tone and purpose he rants against Adele and Sam Smith's music, I rarely get a real sense of bad intentions and actual resentment from him. And honestly I can take it, I'm not expecting him to be the voice I'm looking for on social issues, I'm hardly looking at celebrities for that, even if some are a bit more wired on and aware than others. But again, this isn't only a social issue, although the patriarchy and mysoginy and protection for powerful men of course are, it's also about morality, or whatever you wanna call it, and the way we act as human beings. Rape should be a social issues in the sense that we should manage as a society to educate men in a way that these things just aren't normalised or justified anymore, and when it happens (cause it always will) it's only just fucking perverts and deranged guys and not just insecure fellas who can't accept no as an answer or who feel powerful attacking a girl with their pack of 5 stupid mates. But until that happen, it's up to us as individual. And as an individual, I may be wrong of course cause I only know his public persona, I get the feeling that as much of a prick as he can be Noel knows where the line is on the matter.I accept that, and I accept the reasoning he would know where the line is with this matter. What I'm trying to say is that as somebody who seemingly has an opinion on most things in society, I don't think he's entitled to express that given he has voluntarily taken himself out of it. And when you misjudge your friends on the level of having somebody like Brand as your best man, then he just further devalues himself and his own opinions. |
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Post by matt on Sept 19, 2023 15:52:16 GMT -5
I'm not accusing Noel of anything, but he's an example of a prevailing thought and attitude that allowed Brand to get away with it, citing the Andrew Sachs scandal as a case in point. And he's primed himself to say something utterly fuckwitted given his recent statements in the press, given how he recently derided how his sons (rich and privileged as they are) aren't able to act like "proper men" anymore and that they are victims in modern society. Yes, it was a time when men looked the other way or weren't able to recognise how lines were being crossed and Noel may have been guilty of that, but we're talking rape and sexual assault here As unpleasant as Sachsgate was, even that ain't on the same level, and I wouldn't speculate on what someone thinks of *actual* rape As for Noel's general opinions, he says things I can only classify as utter stupidities (from my pov of course) at times, but hearing him explaining himself I also know he's not referring to "lads being lads" and whatever you may frame as "toxic masculinity", and those are his words not mine Being afraid of how your teenage sons are gonna grow up in this world is perfectly reasonable frankly, no matter how rich they are, putting it all on "wokeness" is stupid and that's where he's being an old man who's lost grasp of the modern world But when we look down at his resume, his reputation is much more laddish than his actual being (or, what is known of it), so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on what his thoughts on all this are As I said before, he may be a prick, but for a rockstar, and taking into account he may have had his share of groupies in the 90s and the occasional girl flashing boobs at a gig, he always struck me as quite respectful of the women he came across (the bar is low, I know), and that's coming from some of those women themselves My problem with him is there is genuine social issues at play in the world and he has dismissed them out of hand. He is rich man who only keeps a circle of celebrity pals and he definitely sounds like it. His narrow viewpoint of the world is not going to be conducive to this thing. I think his friendship with the likes of Brand et.al. and that whole celeb jetset lifestyle is symptomatic of his recent views on everything, in that you cannot possible speak on social issues because you have so far removed yourself from society. I don't expect him to reverse that trend here and I speak of it as a problem with celebrity in general. It's a tight bubble that very rarely offers solutions to the worlds ills, in most cases only props them up but unfortunately we all fall hook line and sinker to their views regardless. |
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Post by matt on Sept 19, 2023 12:28:18 GMT -5
Really? Because I'm seeing the gutter press and right wing nutjobs on twitter saying just that. And I wouldn't be surprised at all if Noel brings out the cop out argument that 'he hasn't been charged or found guilty of anything'. As ever, it's about him, poor old Russell and not the victims. I recall him defending him over the Andrew Sachs thing, expressing pity for his poor old mate. But no consideration whatsoever for the real victim which was the grand daughter of Sachs. You're just accusing someone of something he never said on a (very serious) matter he's not been questioned about just because you think you know exactly what his thoughts and beliefs are Can't even see what the right wing nutjobs have got to do with it when Noel distanced himself from Brand just as he went that way? I'm not accusing Noel of anything, but he's an example of a prevailing thought and attitude that allowed Brand to get away with it, citing the Andrew Sachs scandal as a case in point. And he's primed himself to say something utterly fuckwitted given his recent statements in the press, given how he recently derided how his sons (rich and privileged as they are) aren't able to act like "proper men" anymore and that they are victims in modern society. |
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Post by matt on Sept 19, 2023 12:02:29 GMT -5
To be brutally honest, I don't think Noel Gallagher is smart or sensitive enough to spot the red flags. You can guarantee he probably just equates it to 'lads being lads'. The likes of him and that fuckwit Jonathan Ross are evidently too easily manipulated to be taken in by him. Would probably still back his predatory mate today, I'm just waiting for the inevitable PR disaster from Noel yet again. That's not brutally honest, it's just disgusting. We're talking full on rape, relationship with a fucking 16 year old and other horrific shit. I don't see how you can think anyone, let alone Noel, would just brush this off as today's world being 'woke' or lads being lads... if that's ever the case, then anyone, even Noel, need to reassess their views on women and humanity. Because you have to be a fucking piece of shit to defend this kind of behaviour, no matter who did it. I don't know why you would see Noel a fucking piece of shit in that way. Is he an old fart who no longer understands the world he lives in? He sure seemed to be going that way earlier in the year, although I had a feeling he was evolving in the right way recently. But being an old fart is very very very very different than defending rape or a relationship with a 16 year old. Really? Because I'm seeing the gutter press and right wing nutjobs on twitter saying just that. And I wouldn't be surprised at all if Noel brings out the cop out argument that 'he hasn't been charged or found guilty of anything'. As ever, it's about him, poor old Russell and not the victims. I recall him defending him over the Andrew Sachs thing, expressing pity for his poor old mate. But no consideration whatsoever for the real victim which was the grand daughter of Sachs. |
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Post by matt on Sept 19, 2023 9:09:46 GMT -5
Unless there is evidence of people being involved in Brand’s activities don’t link peoples names to him. Aye calm doon eh, I’m not accusing Noel of doing anything or being involved in anything Brans has allegedly done ffs. However since you mention it, Noel was very linked to him. He was clearly very good friends with him during the time some of these accusations were apparently taking place. Given it seems to have been an open secret in the “business” of how much of a creep Brand is, perhaps he was hearing things and having a deaf ear to it. That’s not me necessarily having a go at Noel, as a man that’s me saying we all need to stop turning a blind eye to this kind of behavior if we know about it. To be brutally honest, I don't think Noel Gallagher is smart or sensitive enough to spot the red flags. You can guarantee he probably just equates it to 'lads being lads'. The likes of him and that fuckwit Jonathan Ross are evidently too easily manipulated and taken in by him. Would probably still back his predatory mate today, I'm just waiting for the inevitable PR disaster from Noel yet again. |
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Post by matt on Sept 17, 2023 14:34:04 GMT -5
Who can forget. The list is endless with Noel’s c*** brigade. Thing I’ve always liked about Liam is he’s totally rejected that celeb mates thing, even more so when he’s explicitly said so and outright insulted Noel’s mates. In his own expletive ridden way, Liam has a point though. It’s that mass of ego and self indulgence egged on and supported by ‘elite’ pals that helps the likes of Brand and The Scum getting away with it. It’s an industry problem (as much as I hate to agree with James Cleverley) and while Noel doesn’t talk to him anymore, he was laughing and gurning along with Brands vile jokes and antics at the time, like all the other goons. It’s like with Jimmy Savile or Jim Davidson, they got away with it because they were indulged and allowed to. Meanwhile Liam got multiple random women pregnant and cheated on his wives. Sorry but anything less than Noel coming on stage in tears, kneeling and begging the audience for forgiveness is unacceptable. |
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Post by matt on Sept 17, 2023 9:17:21 GMT -5
Being creepy is one thing, being rapist is another. None of us was there and don't know what happened. I hope the authorities will do their job and that if he did it that he will spend rest of his life in prison. If he didn't do it, I wish him to take a lot of money from those who accused him. Until then, I really don't have anything more to say about this because I don't know anything about this case, I wasn't there and it is not on me to make conclusions. That's a cop out argument. Given there's various text messages proving it and medical evidence from those attacked, then he's pretty much done for. |
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Post by matt on Sept 17, 2023 6:35:09 GMT -5
Noel picks his company doesn't he though. Hangs about with total knobheads from Kate Moss to Brand, even going so far for that Putin lapdog Lebedev. You can add Gordon Smert to that list. Who can forget. The list is endless with Noel’s c*** brigade. Thing I’ve always liked about Liam is he’s totally rejected that celeb mates thing, even more so when he’s explicitly said so and outright insulted Noel’s mates. In his own expletive ridden way, Liam has a point though. It’s that mass of ego and self indulgence egged on and supported by ‘elite’ pals that helps the likes of Brand and The Scum getting away with it. It’s an industry problem (as much as I hate to agree with James Cleverley) and while Noel doesn’t talk to him anymore, he was laughing and gurning along with Brands vile jokes and antics at the time, like all the other goons. It’s like with Jimmy Savile or Jim Davidson, they got away with it because they were indulged and allowed to. |
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Post by matt on Sept 16, 2023 16:53:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure if we'll get anything as it was only a b.side album. But who knows for sure. True but one of the best b-side albums of all time! Still can’t believe Round Are Way didn’t make it after they played it most of 1996 and giving it to A Life Less Ordinary. Also D'Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman, one of Noel's most affecting songs. With a whole host of great b-sides, I get that some would have to make way. But then you see The Swamp Song on there - what a pointless addition to what is largely a perfect record. |
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