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Post by matt on Mar 22, 2024 17:57:18 GMT -5
I remember the title I Stand Alone already circulating back in the end of 2000, when there started to be rumors about the next album. End of 2000? Is it really that old? If so that's quite a jump in songwriting development for Liam, from Little James to Morning Son in the space of a year.
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Post by matt on Mar 22, 2024 17:55:46 GMT -5
In Noel's HFBs launch press conference in 2011 he said The Morning Son had 'been around for the best part of 5 years'. If that is reasonably accurate then it's a DOYS-era demo rather than DBTT. Assuming 'I Stand Alone' is the same song, surely its earlier?
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Post by matt on Mar 21, 2024 18:38:00 GMT -5
Brilliant, I prefer the vocals to this one than the Beady Eye version. No need for the echo vocal but definitely suits that raw feel. Could have potentially worked for Dig Out Your Soul as a closer, if it followed Soldier On which I've always liked.
Always felt Solider On could have been expanded and lengthened into some dark psychedelic jam at the end. Has something sinister going on which only hints at what it could have been so the band should have pushed it. It would have been epic for it's an album in desperate need for some life at the end.
In my mind, it could have worked as some kind of nightmarish trip followed by The Morning Son that would have been a perfect respite from the heaviness of that. Adding light to the shade.
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Post by matt on Mar 21, 2024 18:17:27 GMT -5
Sounds like something from their first album Good Feeling. I like it a lot.
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Post by matt on Mar 20, 2024 17:31:39 GMT -5
These are smaller gigs though, I think they can be forgiven for not playing Oasis or Roses tracks. Liam does his own thing to cater to that, and him singing Roses songs would feel a bit odd. It's probably a good idea to see just as a side project and entirely its own thing.
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Post by matt on Mar 20, 2024 17:27:06 GMT -5
When discussing climate change, we talk of “saving the planet” which I think gives the wrong message. The planet will be fine. Like Beady said, the earth will heal itself. It’s humanity as we know it that we are destroying. I think if that message was pushed harder, the devastation that humans will endure, there would be more concern from everyday people. Sadly, not enough people will care until it’s too late. I think its spot on, you need the personal element to take hold. Outside of that, just talking nature for nature's sake is abstract and disconnected from people's lives. There's a local element to it too, especially in urban areas where the environment and nature doesn't come as naturally to those in rural areas. If there's a way for people to become engaged with the biodiversity on their doorstep, whether through parks or riverspaces (just a couple of examples of nature in an urban environment), it might just frame environmentalism through a local lens. Exposing the destruction of the environment on your doorstep is always going to be more personal and intimate way of getting the message through than just saying the planet is warming up at an alarming rate.
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Post by matt on Mar 20, 2024 17:14:53 GMT -5
climate change yes, man-made climate change no. Beyond stupid. Do not tell me you don't believe experts. Or, let me guess, are they all wrapped up in some global agenda conspiracy?
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Post by matt on Mar 20, 2024 17:11:26 GMT -5
Wouldn't generally be excited for a Beady Eye track but The Morning Son is one of their best tunes, or Liam's certainly. Not sure it would fit the flow of Don't Believe The Truth, but hoping it maintains a raw and stripped back approach of that album. Would certainly whet the appetite for more recordings and demos from that era.
So much material floating around from that era, and it makes Don't Believe The Truth ever more fascinating. It's a good album, but like so many great acts, you think there's probably a much better album lurking around somewhere with an alternative tracklisting. Noel had gotten over the rut he was in, Liam's songwriting had hit a purple patch and even Gem and Andy's contributions were fine. If ever Oasis were to do a 'White Album' this was the time. I do get a sense from Don't Believe The Truth that there was more effort put into it than their other albums around that time. Its flaws are also forgivable given the difficult nature of recording that album.
A shame that Dig Out Your Soul is so lacklustre in comparison. What they recorded we pretty much have barring a couple of tracks, they went in with a set list of songs to record and sometimes I think that lack of chaos and variety translates onto what I feel is a pretty drab and unmelodic album.
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Post by matt on Mar 16, 2024 14:29:31 GMT -5
I think it's their fourth best album (fifth if you include Masterplan compilation), after the obvious two and Be Here Now. I was listening to it on the train yesterday. It's light, it doesn't lumber around and flows decently. Liam's songwriting is really important on this album as it lifts it for me, even the much derided Meaning of Soul is fine as a wee interlude. I actually like its simple acoustic punky charm. The only ones I couldn't really manage were A Bell Will Ring and Keep The Dream Alive, but I was surprised that I didn't hate them like I used to and that they were okay at worst. It's a good album. Nothing more, nothing less. Yes, the album could and should have been better what with the material that was floating around at the time, and maybe its ultimate peaks are not as high as their other albums from that era but, unlike the others, it doesn't descend to the depths of depravity. It's consistently good, and entirely listenable for me. Having followed your posts for many years, it's a pleasant surprise to see you so positive about some 00s Oasis. And thank you for throwing the "depths of depravity" line in for old times' sake. A wonderfully droll and disparaging comment, fitting for a Smiths fan. Maybe I listened to it in a good mood! I half expected myself to go back to saying I'd projectile vomited when A Bell Will Ring came on, but no, I listened again a couple of days ago, and yep, definitely a good album! On a more serious note, maybe its the part of me saying I really miss Oasis. That pining for them has only become stronger because both Noel and Liam's current work doesn't float my boat. It's the first time I've felt since the split that the post-Oasis work doesn't hold any interest for me anymore.
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Post by matt on Mar 16, 2024 14:26:52 GMT -5
Another thing that surprises me is Married With Children being that high. Maybe the most understated of their songs in the prime years, yet more plays than a lot of their bigger tunes.
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Post by matt on Mar 16, 2024 14:25:14 GMT -5
Surprised at how low the Don't Believe The Truth singles are. Importance of Being Idle is lower than I thought, and that there's no Lyla on that list either.
I remember those tunes being all over the radio back in the day. But then again, I was 14 years old when those were released - prime age for musical awakenings, everything seems massive then so maybe its all 'pure subjective fantasy' as a famous philosopher once wrote...
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Post by matt on Mar 8, 2024 17:13:49 GMT -5
Good luck man, keep up the writing!
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Post by matt on Mar 8, 2024 17:12:40 GMT -5
Imagine if The Smiths' self-titled debut album had had this tracklisting... A1. Reel Around the Fountain A2. This Charming Man A3. Pretty Girls Make Graves A4. What Difference Does It Make? A5. The Hand That Rocks the Cradle B1. Still Ill B2. Hand in Glove B3. You've Got Everything Now B4. I Don't Owe You Anything B5. Suffer Little Children I think that would've been killer-diller! About as good as that album could have been without re-recording it all a third time.
'Miserable Lie' could've been kept back for the 'Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now' single, released three months later. That way they wouldn't have had to re-release 'Suffer Little Children' to fill the quota of two B-sides for every A-side. And it would've got the song out the way. I don't think it was even remotely good enough for an album. Especially not when gems such as 'Handsome Devil', 'Jeane', 'Accept Yourself', 'These Things Take Time' and 'Back to the Old House' had been B-sides.
I think 99% of all Smiths songs were at the very least 8/10 in quality. But Miserable Lie is my least favourite and probably the only Smiths song I don't like. I think it's a horrendous recording, hard to believe they were in a studio paying good money to record that. It's unbelievably tinny and not a fan of Morrissey's shrieking in the second half. The only song of theirs where I think nothing works.
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Post by matt on Mar 8, 2024 17:07:41 GMT -5
Maybe the most underrated band EVER. I've been listening to Reckoning a lot lately. How understatedly brilliant is that record? All those IRS albums were fantastic. I think Fables of the Reconstruction is one of the most masterful hidden gems ever. I've always loved its southern gothic feel, perhaps their most evocative album. Definitely their most 'American' record if that makes sense.
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Post by matt on Mar 5, 2024 17:06:28 GMT -5
I think its okay but I do prefer Liam's solo albums over it. I know some criticise the latter solo albums for its industry approach but they're never anything less that 7/10. And you're always guaranteed a few belters per album.
This album is 5 or 6, unfortunately it just doesn't alter my perception that Squire hasn't done anything of note since Love Spreads (and a couple of others off Second Coming). Not that I'm not willing him to, I think he comes off as a sound bloke having listened to him over the last few months, which has been great to hear given we very rarely hear from him over two decades.
Ultimately I'm not the target as I mentally check out of anything Squire/Roses related post-1990, the reviews are decent and for those maybe tired of Liam working with industry songwriters and bigger fans of Squire, I can see why its such a breath of fresh air.
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Post by matt on Feb 29, 2024 10:01:54 GMT -5
On a more positive note: Going back to the 2000's albums has made me understand the general love for Don't Believe the Truth.Even packed with mediocre songs, the album has a care-free and light-hearted feel which Oasis otherwise failed to recapture after the nineties; it's the kind of album that makes you want to sit in the sunshine with a pint of beer and just enjoy Oasis being Oasis, with some catchy chorus and rocking atmospheres and entirely British pop sensibilities. It sounds, most of the time, like a band who are having fun being in that band, not pushing themselves but not dragging themselves either. That should be the bare minimum, but with the gloom of Standing on the Shoulders of Giants on one side and the apocalyptic grooves of their final album on the other, this one does stand out as being simply more fun. I think I'll be going back to it more often now than I used to. I think it's their fourth best album (fifth if you include Masterplan compilation), after the obvious two and Be Here Now. I was listening to it on the train yesterday. It's light, it doesn't lumber around and flows decently. Liam's songwriting is really important on this album as it lifts it for me, even the much derided Meaning of Soul is fine as a wee interlude. I actually like its simple acoustic punky charm. The only ones I couldn't really manage were A Bell Will Ring and Keep The Dream Alive, but I was surprised that I didn't hate them like I used to and that they were okay at worst. It's a good album. Nothing more, nothing less. Yes, the album could and should have been better what with the material that was floating around at the time, and maybe its ultimate peaks are not as high as their other albums from that era but, unlike the others, it doesn't descend to the depths of depravity. It's consistently good, and entirely listenable for me.
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Post by matt on Feb 27, 2024 17:10:27 GMT -5
If Part of the Queue was sung by Liam, it would be a contender for greatest Oasis song post-90s. Noel does a fine job, but again, when you have a star vocalist in Liam then just use him.
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Post by matt on Feb 27, 2024 15:05:21 GMT -5
This isn't meant to be a stupid question but if he were to put the unheard songs online, would he be likely to get into trouble with Ignition? Plenty of demos have been leaked before without any issues but then again they've almost all been demos of already released material, there's quite a lot of new stuff in this collection so would it land him in hot water with Noel's people? Sidenote: if he's saying that he'd rather give them back to Ignition for them to put out on a reissue then his expectations of that useless company are WAY too high Exactly this. If you gave it back to Ignition they'd probably lose it. Wasn't there an article a few years back saying what a state the Oasis catalogue was in? I think traders/fans need to realise that if we want a proper anthology project it's on us. Whether that be through donations or connections. Otherwise we're all going to be old and grey buying the 60th anniversary edition of Definitely Maybe (lasagna picture vinyl) that has stuff like Columbia (Door closing in the background Take) Haha, spot on with Ignition. They are so shit. Was listening to the Definitely Maybe deluxe from ten years back, of all the live performances they sourced really shitty ones. That Supersonic rendition where Liam's vocals are poor..... it's genuinely harder to find a bad performance of Liam from that era than it is to find a good one. But somehow, Ignition fuck up. A joke of an organisation. If they're custodians of Oasis legacy, simple fact is there will be none.
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Post by matt on Feb 23, 2024 15:24:41 GMT -5
And an appalling film it is too. You're right about that. How did they even end up doing anything for the movie I don't understand. It's the kind of film that would have been rated Nuts Magazine's Greatest Movie of All Time.
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Post by matt on Feb 23, 2024 12:58:28 GMT -5
29th April 1995 – Melody Maker:On Noel’s back catalogue of songs: “There’s one really good one called ‘Red White and Blue’,” Liam tells me, “but it’s going to be controversial.” From his description, it sounds something like the godlike ‘This Is What She’s Like’ from Dexy’s untouchable ‘Don’t Stand Me Down’, railing against vegetarians and protest marchers. “I don’t think we’ll record that just yet,” says Liam. “We’ll save it for the third album when we’ve all grown ‘taches.” Racking my brains wondering what this song could have turned out to be. I assume it doesn't sound like that Dexy's track as there's nothing in Oasis's catalogue that sounds anything remotely like it, more so using that track as a comparison for the lyrics?
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Post by matt on Feb 23, 2024 12:44:47 GMT -5
Yeah the tapes were handed over to Spector with Lennon and Harrison's approval. Spector's a knob (even before his murderous tendencies came to the fore) but there's not much anyone could have done with those rough tapes. Contrary to belief, McCartney wasn't too fussed initially with them being handed to him, only until he heard the Long & Winding Road did he blow a fuse. Which is understandable as it goes completely 'Disneyfied' whereas George Martin would have kept things tasteful with more restraint. Then again, a Martin treatment might not have worked, apparently it was only lathered in orchestras and choirs to cover up the poor quality of recording. Although hearing Spector's other production efforts, it sounds like an excuse as he's never been an example of tasteful and restrained production. What's puzzled me though is if Paul was so dead against it, why does he still play it live with the kitchen sink treatment that Spector provided...
Ultimately not too bothered by it though, it's still a flawed but fascinating chapter in The Beatles history. The genesis of something good was there before being abandoned for Abbey Road. For all his control freakery over it, Paul still comes out of it the best given he was the only one hellbent on keeping the thing together. He's the main reason The Beatles continued after Epstein's death. Far more productive in songwriting than the others, George had mentally checked out, John was a smackhead who wasn't writing nearly enough and Ringo just went with the flow. Somebody had to take control of it.
I never see it as their final album, it's more of a bonus feature to the band's catalogue.
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Post by matt on Feb 19, 2024 7:06:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately it's kinda forgotten because it only ended up on the soundtrack. And an appalling film it is too.
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Post by matt on Feb 16, 2024 16:24:22 GMT -5
Unbelievable article! Really is the holy grail of musical finds!
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2024 17:58:25 GMT -5
I stumbled across a small record shop last Saturday and they had an original 1962-1966 for £20. Had to have it. And it still sounds amazing A really ignorant question as I try to unearth some gems, but how do you tell if it’s an original copy/release?
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2024 17:01:08 GMT -5
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