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Post by tiger40 on Mar 19, 2024 6:33:05 GMT -5
Right, I've decided to start this because everything which is happening to our world is worrying and not natural at all.
There's already a board for animals and wildlife so this one is for other things in nature.
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 19, 2024 14:09:08 GMT -5
Sometimes it makes me feel ashamed to be human knowing what we've done to this planet and I think that one day the world will just end with the way things are going.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 19, 2024 14:13:13 GMT -5
Earth heals itself.
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Post by LightsOffInside on Mar 19, 2024 14:52:26 GMT -5
When discussing climate change, we talk of “saving the planet” which I think gives the wrong message. The planet will be fine. Like Beady said, the earth will heal itself. It’s humanity as we know it that we are destroying. I think if that message was pushed harder, the devastation that humans will endure, there would be more concern from everyday people. Sadly, not enough people will care until it’s too late.
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Mar 20, 2024 7:28:08 GMT -5
There’s been multiple tornadoes where I live recently, in the winter, which is completely unheard of. And, it’s only snowed once in which the snow really needed to removed from roads, sidewalks and driveways; normally the number of measureable snows is around 5 to 10. Not complaining about that. Ohio’s climate is trending to be what Florida’s is now in about 50 years, warmer. Jesus will fix it all, though. Thanks. |
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 20, 2024 13:58:03 GMT -5
There’s been multiple tornadoes where I live recently, in the winter, which is completely unheard of. And, it’s only snowed once in which the snow really needed to removed from roads, sidewalks and driveways; normally the number of measureable snows is around 5 to 10. Not complaining about that. Ohio’s climate is trending to be what Florida’s is now in about 50 years, warmer. Jesus will fix it all, though. Thanks. The thing is these extrime weather patens which we're now seeing are not normal and shouldn't be happening. I read in the news today that we've just had the warmest February in modern times. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2024 14:06:29 GMT -5
climate change yes, man-made climate change no.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 20, 2024 17:12:07 GMT -5
When discussing climate change, we talk of “saving the planet” which I think gives the wrong message. The planet will be fine. Like Beady said, the earth will heal itself. It’s humanity as we know it that we are destroying. I think if that message was pushed harder, the devastation that humans will endure, there would be more concern from everyday people. Sadly, not enough people will care until it’s too late. Yep. And more than just humans. Plants and other animals too. Millions of species that could vanish because of our negligence. |
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Post by matt on Mar 20, 2024 17:14:53 GMT -5
climate change yes, man-made climate change no. Beyond stupid. Do not tell me you don't believe experts. Or, let me guess, are they all wrapped up in some global agenda conspiracy? |
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Post by matt on Mar 20, 2024 17:27:06 GMT -5
When discussing climate change, we talk of “saving the planet” which I think gives the wrong message. The planet will be fine. Like Beady said, the earth will heal itself. It’s humanity as we know it that we are destroying. I think if that message was pushed harder, the devastation that humans will endure, there would be more concern from everyday people. Sadly, not enough people will care until it’s too late. I think its spot on, you need the personal element to take hold. Outside of that, just talking nature for nature's sake is abstract and disconnected from people's lives. There's a local element to it too, especially in urban areas where the environment and nature doesn't come as naturally to those in rural areas. If there's a way for people to become engaged with the biodiversity on their doorstep, whether through parks or riverspaces (just a couple of examples of nature in an urban environment), it might just frame environmentalism through a local lens. Exposing the destruction of the environment on your doorstep is always going to be more personal and intimate way of getting the message through than just saying the planet is warming up at an alarming rate. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 20, 2024 18:15:13 GMT -5
A lot of conservatives who acknowledge climate change as a natural phenomenon seem to either forget or overlook the fact that the natural climate cycles, prior to human fossil fuel emissions, were disastrous to all life on Earth. The long peak of those cycles caused immense, prolonged suffering to all living things. Those cycles caused the extinction of millions of species. And that was just the work of nature. Let's do the math. Le's put millions of years worth of Co2 that should have REMAINED naturally sequestered via the carbon cycle, back into the equation due to the burning of fossil fuels. Ruh-roh. |
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 21, 2024 6:14:51 GMT -5
climate change yes, man-made climate change no. That's an absolutely stupid and naive thing to say. Of course it's man made, why do you think that we're seeing all this extreme weather etc now and that the Arctic is melting faster than ever? These things didn't happen all by themselves. |
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 21, 2024 6:17:52 GMT -5
The fact is we can't live without nature ourselves and yet we're just destroying everything.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2024 6:57:48 GMT -5
you need to develop an ability called 'critical thinking'
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Post by Bellboy on Mar 21, 2024 7:08:33 GMT -5
"The warmest weather since the 70's" "The coolest weather of modern times" "The biggest drought since 1997"
What happened previously when these events happened? Thats all I want to know
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2024 9:26:29 GMT -5
"The warmest weather since the 70's" "The coolest weather of modern times" "The biggest drought since 1997" What happened previously when these events happened? Thats all I want to know and how consistent the data is during 'modern times', how it was collected, where etc?
for instance, the recent 'hottest ever' temps in the UK have been recorded on, or next to, airport runways.
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 21, 2024 9:36:56 GMT -5
HBomb is always good to have on the case.
In any case, I'll be the obligatory Annoying Person and say that environmental concern is a great reason to go vegan or at least to reduce your meat intake.
- In 2006, the United Nations stated that "the livestock sector emerges as one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems".
- The total contribution to greenhouse gas emissions produced by all exhaust fumes in all vehicles in the world is estimated to be 14%; the contribution of animal farming is estimated to be between 14.5% and 18%.
- Even the lowest-impact beef is responsible for six times as much greenhouse gas emission, and a staggering thirty-six times as much land use as plant-based productions such as pea protein.
- Only 2% of the impact caused by the meat industry in cases such as beef or lamb are from transportation; the farming itself, and the destruction to the natural landmasses which it requires, are the biggest issue.
- According to a Harvard School Law Report, 48% of the landmass of the UK is used for animal farming.
- One sixth of the landmass of the UK is used for sheep farming, yet sheep make up just 1% of our caloric intake.
Etc, etc.
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 21, 2024 9:44:14 GMT -5
And, for fun, here's a graph from the University of Maine showing global average temperatures across time:   You'll notice that last year broke high temperatures records multiple times, and this year is set to do the same again. Worth remembering, too, that this issue is self-exacerbating: each "small" rise in temperature melts ice sheets, and releases the CO2 which was previously stored in that ice, increasing temperatures. It also decreases the Earth's ability to reflect sunlight, which also increases temperatures, and so on and so on. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 21, 2024 10:22:13 GMT -5
This year marks 200 years since Joseph Fourier's discovery of the greenhouse effect. John Tyndall would follow up near 40 years later with the discovery of the exact gases responsible for the greenhouse effect, Co2 and water vapor. The first person to recognize the disastrous effects of the industrial revolution and all fossil fuel emissions that would follow, was in 1896, made by Svante Arrhenius. In other words, we've known about the consequences of fossil fuel emissions since the 19th century. And alarmingly, there are STILL people who refuse to look at the evidence and take action based on their own self-interest.
And what confuses me the most here is that it's not a bad idea to avoid pumping dangerous, toxic fumes into the atmosphere. It's generally not a bad idea to make active attempts to PRESERVE the only planet we have capable of sustaining life. This is hardly a radical position. It's just common sense to take care of the thing that provides you life. Why would we want to shit where we eat?
Anybody who can't recognize the overwhelming evidence for climate change at this point in time is too far gone. TFG.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Mar 21, 2024 11:17:17 GMT -5
The way I see it, why we're in this mess is because of overpopulation, greed and hunger for power. You may disagree or agree, and I'm not saying let's start killing people but the more people there is the more we need everything, resources, energy and so on. But there's nothing we can do about that.
Another thing is that money comes first in this world and nothing else matters. Everyone is just desperate to make a living in this crazy world and society and nobody lives forever, so we don't care what happens afterwards we die. We're here only for a short time and everyone is trying make their life as comfortable as possible. I'm not better than anyone else, I'm greedy too, I'd love to have more money and I consume and destroy this planet just as much as everyone else does.
I love nature and animals and it's sad to see them being destroyed because of us. We are the cancer of this planet because of our greediness and love for money, control and power and I don't see how this would ever change.
Solutions? I don't have any.
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 21, 2024 11:26:35 GMT -5
The way I see it, why we're in this mess is because of overpopulation, greed and hunger for power. You may disagree or agree, and I'm not saying let's start killing people but the more people there is the more we need everything, resources, energy and so on. But there's nothing we can do about that. Another thing is that money comes first in this world and nothing else matters. Everyone is just desperate to make a living in this crazy world and society and nobody lives forever, so we don't care what happens afterwards we die. We're here only for a short time and everyone is trying make their life as comfortable as possible. I'm not better than anyone else, I'm greedy too, I'd love to have more money and I consume and destroy this planet just as much as everyone else does. I love nature and animals and it's sad to see them being destroyed because of us. We are the cancer of this planet because of our greediness and love for money, control and power and I don't see how this would ever change. Solutions? I don't have any. For a little peek into this, note how Greta Thunburg was dropped from the collective media consciousness the second she began to say that climate change is a product of capitalism. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 21, 2024 11:30:01 GMT -5
The way I see it, why we're in this mess is because of overpopulation, greed and hunger for power. You may disagree or agree, and I'm not saying let's start killing people but the more people there is the more we need everything, resources, energy and so on. But there's nothing we can do about that. Another thing is that money comes first in this world and nothing else matters. Everyone is just desperate to make a living in this crazy world and society and nobody lives forever, so we don't care what happens afterwards we die. We're here only for a short time and everyone is trying make their life as comfortable as possible. I'm not better than anyone else, I'm greedy too, I'd love to have more money and I consume and destroy this planet just as much as everyone else does. I love nature and animals and it's sad to see them being destroyed because of us. We are the cancer of this planet because of our greediness and love for money, control and power and I don't see how this would ever change. Solutions? I don't have any.  |
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Mar 21, 2024 11:31:05 GMT -5
The way I see it, why we're in this mess is because of overpopulation, greed and hunger for power. You may disagree or agree, and I'm not saying let's start killing people but the more people there is the more we need everything, resources, energy and so on. But there's nothing we can do about that. Another thing is that money comes first in this world and nothing else matters. Everyone is just desperate to make a living in this crazy world and society and nobody lives forever, so we don't care what happens afterwards we die. We're here only for a short time and everyone is trying make their life as comfortable as possible. I'm not better than anyone else, I'm greedy too, I'd love to have more money and I consume and destroy this planet just as much as everyone else does. I love nature and animals and it's sad to see them being destroyed because of us. We are the cancer of this planet because of our greediness and love for money, control and power and I don't see how this would ever change. Solutions? I don't have any. For a little peek into this, note how Greta Thunburg was dropped from the collective media consciousness the second she began to say that climate change is a product of capitalism. I don't know any better systems either. You can't stop this monster of a machine we have created. The beast has to be fed. Maybe Mother Nature will fight back at some point with the full force and wipes us all off. |
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 21, 2024 14:03:36 GMT -5
HBomb is always good to have on the case. In any case, I'll be the obligatory Annoying Person and say that environmental concern is a great reason to go vegan or at least to reduce your meat intake. - In 2006, the United Nations stated that "the livestock sector emerges as one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems". - The total contribution to greenhouse gas emissions produced by all exhaust fumes in all vehicles in the world is estimated to be 14%; the contribution of animal farming is estimated to be between 14.5% and 18%. - Even the lowest-impact beef is responsible for six times as much greenhouse gas emission, and a staggering thirty-six times as much land use as plant-based productions such as pea protein. - Only 2% of the impact caused by the meat industry in cases such as beef or lamb are from transportation; the farming itself, and the destruction to the natural landmasses which it requires, are the biggest issue. - According to a Harvard School Law Report, 48% of the landmass of the UK is used for animal farming. - One sixth of the landmass of the UK is used for sheep farming, yet sheep make up just 1% of our caloric intake. Etc, etc. And, it's not just eating meat which contributes to climate change it's also factory farming as well. |
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 21, 2024 14:06:57 GMT -5
Today is world forest day. I'll never agree to chopping down trees unless there's something wrong with it. And, it's just shameful what's happening to the Amazon rainforest being cleared away for farming.
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