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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2024 16:59:11 GMT -5
A thread for people to vent, I guess?
A big deal was made in the build up by the band that only FACE VALUE tickets would be honoured, through either the official seller, Ticketmaster, or Twickets.
This, as PR narrative, is to "protect the fans" from scalpers and ticket touts. Yet, Ticketmaster have made it clear this afternoon the surge pricing seen today where tickets more than doubled, nearly tripled in price (even for people in the queue from 9am) is indeed signed off by the band/their management, not Ticketmaster.
I hate Ticketmaster, but I am disgusted by this band. £150 is a LOT of money for fans of what, if you were there at the beginning as I was, were resolutely working class.
That they have now tried to present themselves as protecting fans from touts, when in actuality they have become them, is objectively disgusting.
They KNEW demand would be high. They set their ticket price HIGH. And they knew, as the infrastructure failed and people that love them frantically grasped for tickets, that they would be charging people "face value" of £350 a pop.
Shame on you, Liam and Noel. You're not working class heroes. You're scalpers; scum.
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Post by Sadie on Aug 31, 2024 17:01:55 GMT -5
Shame on you, Liam and Noel. You're not working class heroes. You're scalpers; scum. Posted this in another thread but I'll say it again: I don't mean to sound naive and please do correct me if I'm wrong, but they personally wouldn't have had anything to do with it, right? Surely the promoters/their management are to blame for what happened
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2024 17:06:37 GMT -5
Shame on you, Liam and Noel. You're not working class heroes. You're scalpers; scum. Posted this in another thread but I'll say it again: I don't mean to sound naive and please do correct me if I'm wrong, but they personally wouldn't have had anything to do with it, right? Surely the promoters/their management are to blame for what happened Sadly not... A spokesperson for Ticketmaster previously told the Manchester Evening News: "Ticketmaster does not set any ticket prices." They then referred to a page on their website explaining them. The page says: "Promoters and artists set ticket prices. Prices can be either fixed or market-based. Market-based tickets are labelled as “Platinum” or “In Demand”. Source: www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/oasis-tickets-dynamic-pricing-ticketmaster-29846381.ampI'm afraid "our employees did it without our permission" isn't anywhere near a good enough excuse, even if it was true, which I don't believe for a second. There is no way on Earth that Noel/Liam didn't get to sign off on this. At best, they said "don't tell me the details, just get me the most money you can".
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Aug 31, 2024 17:10:04 GMT -5
Shame on you, Liam and Noel. You're not working class heroes. You're scalpers; scum. Posted this in another thread but I'll say it again: I don't mean to sound naive and please do correct me if I'm wrong, but they personally wouldn't have had anything to do with it, right? Surely the promoters/their management are to blame for what happened That article states: It is believed that ticket prices are set by promoters, not artists. So you may be right.
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Post by walterglass on Aug 31, 2024 17:11:11 GMT -5
I find the outrage naive.
You want Champagne, you pay Champagne prices. Nobody on here argues over finance when download PMs are getting splashed around left, right & centre when a leak materialises.
Take it on the chin.
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Post by Sadie on Aug 31, 2024 17:11:44 GMT -5
Posted this in another thread but I'll say it again: I don't mean to sound naive and please do correct me if I'm wrong, but they personally wouldn't have had anything to do with it, right? Surely the promoters/their management are to blame for what happened That article states: It is believed that ticket prices are set by promoters, not artists. So you may be right. This is probably gonna make me sound even more like an idiot but I just can't see the promoters calling the brothers in to sit and discuss prices - I don't know, I just get the feeling Noel in particular is more inclined to let 'his people' get on with the technicalities of everything. Who knows though. Who knows
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2024 17:14:42 GMT -5
That article states: It is believed that ticket prices are set by promoters, not artists. So you may be right. This is probably gonna make me sound even more like an idiot but I just can't see the promoters calling the brothers in to sit and discuss prices - I don't know, I just get the feeling Noel in particular is more inclined to let 'his people' get on with the technicalities of everything. Who knows though. Who knows I work in the events/entertainment industry and have experience of precisely this sort of thing and I can sadly guarantee you that, on something of this scale, they definitely knew. Long time members of this forum may well know/can look into my passion for the band. I don't say any of this lightly. It is DISGUSTING.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2024 17:19:37 GMT -5
I find the outrage naive. You want Champagne, you pay Champagne prices. Nobody on here argues over finance when download PMs are getting splashed around left, right & centre when a leak materialises. Take it on the chin. For £350 I'll take a lifetime supply of identical-tasting cava and twenty other great bands. Fuck Oasis for this. Defending a £350 standard ticket for a gig is insane. They don't cost that. They exploited the people that love them the most.
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Post by Sadie on Aug 31, 2024 17:22:39 GMT -5
I find the outrage naive. You want Champagne, you pay Champagne prices. Nobody on here argues over finance when download PMs are getting splashed around left, right & centre when a leak materialises. Take it on the chin. For £350 I'll take a lifetime supply of identical-tasting cava and twenty other great bands. Fuck Oasis for this. Defending a £350 standard ticket for a gig is insane. They don't cost that. They exploited the people that love them the most. This is what I don't get, if those tickets were on sale at £150~ originally, that's their face value surely? I'm very lucky in that accessible tickets never went up in price (I'm not surprised I mean they're not exactly the best seats in the house) but the fact that Ticketmaster is both the legit seller AND a tout at the same time effectively is so bizarre
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Post by walterglass on Aug 31, 2024 17:23:14 GMT -5
I find the outrage naive. You want Champagne, you pay Champagne prices. Nobody on here argues over finance when download PMs are getting splashed around left, right & centre when a leak materialises. Take it on the chin. For £350 I'll take a lifetime supply of identical-tasting cava and twenty other great bands. Fuck Oasis for this. Defending a £350 standard ticket for a gig is insane. They don't cost that. They exploited the people that love them the most. I’m not supporting the pricing. I’m just saying this is the real world. Supply & demand. If you’re not happy, don’t pay - more power to you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2024 17:24:16 GMT -5
For £350 I'll take a lifetime supply of identical-tasting cava and twenty other great bands. Fuck Oasis for this. Defending a £350 standard ticket for a gig is insane. They don't cost that. They exploited the people that love them the most. I’m not supporting the pricing. I’m just saying this is the real world. Supply & demand. If you’re not happy, don’t pay - more power to you. Of course. And I won't. But I also don't have to be silent. Greed and exploitation should be called out for what it is.
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Post by Sadie on Aug 31, 2024 17:42:52 GMT -5
Slightly awkward wording but this is referring to Robert Smith, obviously:
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Post by walterglass on Aug 31, 2024 17:46:24 GMT -5
I’m not supporting the pricing. I’m just saying this is the real world. Supply & demand. If you’re not happy, don’t pay - more power to you. Of course. And I won't. But I also don't have to be silent. Greed and exploitation should be called out for what it is. Is it exploitation? I love Range Rovers. That love doesn’t mean I’m exempt from market forces and the effect on pricing. We’re all big boys and girls.
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Post by themasterplanet on Aug 31, 2024 18:13:58 GMT -5
I can’t believe what a disaster Ticketmaster has been today. We’ve waited for about ten hours in total and ended up paying £1,500 for four general admission tickets. The money is worth it for us, but I still feel like they’ve taken advantage of the love we have for Oasis because they know how desperate we are and we’d pay it anyway. I’m extremely happy that I have tickets though, because the chance to see Oasis is priceless, but still - I hope they’ll do better next time.
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Post by andymorris on Aug 31, 2024 18:16:33 GMT -5
Of course. And I won't. But I also don't have to be silent. Greed and exploitation should be called out for what it is. Is it exploitation? I love Range Rovers. That love doesn’t mean I’m exempt from market forces and the effect on pricing. We’re all big boys and girls. No because it is exploiting humain weakness. Im a big boy enough to refuse to pay 200 a ticket to Watch Noel behind a pole but some will give everything they have. The live music industry is clearly fucking people over and this is gonna be worse and worse. In five years times it’ll be 500 for a regular standing ticket. And then What ? Fuck that. Range rovers appeal to a certain kind of customer. Very few can afford it, its an high end product that comes with long lasting benefits. Its not 5 guys bringing guitars and drums to play for 1 hour and a half. It’s just 20 songs and its kinda sad Oasis forgot that. It could have been a big statement these days, to have affordable tickets. And they still would have made millions. 75 to 100 including fees would have been very reasonable for most standing and seats tickets. Its balance between « What am I worth » and « who do I want to be »
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 19:13:11 GMT -5
Of course. And I won't. But I also don't have to be silent. Greed and exploitation should be called out for what it is. Is it exploitation? I love Range Rovers. That love doesn’t mean I’m exempt from market forces and the effect on pricing. We’re all big boys and girls. obv its just a gig no ones forcing any one to go and if its too expensive you cant go but when you advertised and stated in many places and without warning change that price may change when people sat in a queue for hours on end ...it is exploitation. In the queue they managed to change the waiting screen to say not all tickets or prices are available ... not dynamic pricing not in force be prepared to pay over a 200% increase. there's obv psychology behind why I would guess the fastest selling most in demand gigs of the year didnt have in demand prices from the the first hour and was towards the last hour and was.. exploitation
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Post by walterglass on Aug 31, 2024 19:25:28 GMT -5
Is it exploitation? I love Range Rovers. That love doesn’t mean I’m exempt from market forces and the effect on pricing. We’re all big boys and girls. obv its just a gig no ones forcing any one to go and if its too expensive you cant go but when you advertised and stated in many places and without warning change that price may change when people sat in a queue for hours on end ...it is exploitation. In the queue they managed to change the waiting screen to say not all tickets or prices are available ... not dynamic pricing not in force be prepared to pay over a 200% increase. there's obv psychology behind why I would guess the fastest selling most in demand gigs of the year didnt have in demand prices from the the first hour and was towards the last hour and was.. exploitation If it was toward the end it’s because supply was dwindling and demand was maintaining (or even increasing). If there wasn’t sentiment leaning toward real intrinsic value in the adjusted price(s) the sales wouldn’t have held up as wonderfully as they did.
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Post by glider on Aug 31, 2024 19:31:27 GMT -5
Everything post-COVID has been massively inflated, whether through the supply chain or straight price gouging from corporations like Ticketmaster. When you set inflation expectations high from the economic outlook, you end up getting away with things like this. Our entire concept of pricing is warped since before 2020, prices like these were unheard of. Unless significant deflation occurs, this is going to be the norm across every industry, especially live music.
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 19:34:28 GMT -5
obv its just a gig no ones forcing any one to go and if its too expensive you cant go but when you advertised and stated in many places and without warning change that price may change when people sat in a queue for hours on end ...it is exploitation. In the queue they managed to change the waiting screen to say not all tickets or prices are available ... not dynamic pricing not in force be prepared to pay over a 200% increase. there's obv psychology behind why I would guess the fastest selling most in demand gigs of the year didnt have in demand prices from the the first hour and was towards the last hour and was.. exploitation If it was toward the end it’s because supply was dwindling and supply was maintaining (or even increasing). If there wasn’t sentiment leaning toward real intrinsic value in the adjusted price(s) the sales wouldn’t have held up as wonderfully as they did. the only sentiment is greed. There was no drop of in demand so sales. and there is never any price for intrinsic value
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Post by Manualex on Aug 31, 2024 19:34:30 GMT -5
In a ideal world Noel and Liam would make an apology and refund the surplus of those gouged up tickets. I'm not expecting that to happen.
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Post by walterglass on Aug 31, 2024 19:36:36 GMT -5
If it was toward the end it’s because supply was dwindling and supply was maintaining (or even increasing). If there wasn’t sentiment leaning toward real intrinsic value in the adjusted price(s) the sales wouldn’t have held up as wonderfully as they did. the only sentiment is greed. There was no drop of in demand so sales. and there is never any price for intrinsic value The people spoke when they paid (in their millions).
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Post by Let It Bleed on Aug 31, 2024 19:37:38 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of the time Shecky Greene, Dabney Coleman and myself were trying to score tickets to the premiere of Deep Throat.
Thanks.
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 19:43:17 GMT -5
the only sentiment is greed. There was no drop of in demand so sales. and there is never any price for intrinsic value The people spoke when they paid (in their millions). there was only 1.3 tickets so they didnt and most tickets had gone so guess be in 10s thousands
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Post by walterglass on Aug 31, 2024 19:50:04 GMT -5
The people spoke when they paid (in their millions). there was only 1.3 tickets so they didnt and most tickets had gone so guess be in 10s thousands 14 million tried. “Led Zeppelin In 2007, the revered rock group Led Zeppelin redefined the meaning of high-priced concert tickets. After nearly two decades, the band reunited for a tribute show at London’s O2 Arena in honor of Ahmet Ertegun, the founder of Atlantic Records, who died in the previous year. The Los Angeles Times called it “the concert of the millennium” by “the greatest rock and roll band ever.” That may be more than just an opinion, with Led Zeppelin having two albums on the list of the bestselling albums of all time. While the base price for tickets was set at $250…” $250 up-over 17 years ago. .
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 19:52:56 GMT -5
there was only 1.3 tickets so they didnt and most tickets had gone so guess be in 10s thousands 14 million tried. “Led Zeppelin In 2007, the revered rock group Led Zeppelin redefined the meaning of high-priced concert tickets. After nearly two decades, the band reunited for a tribute show at London’s O2 Arena in honor of Ahmet Ertegun, the founder of Atlantic Records, who died in the previous year. The Los Angeles Times called it “the concert of the millennium” by “the greatest rock and roll band ever.” That may be more than just an opinion, with Led Zeppelin having two albums on the list of the bestselling albums of all time. While the base price for tickets was set at $250…” $250 up-over 17 years ago. . thats not the point and back in day dollars were worthless to the all mighty sterling the point not the cost everyone happy enough with the cost that ws advertised so idk what you point is
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