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Post by dampcottage on Sept 1, 2024 3:19:42 GMT -5
So if tickets are considered "in demand" the prices go up, therefore if there's no demand the opposite should happen and prices should drop?
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Post by carlober on Sept 1, 2024 3:20:28 GMT -5
Basically, this. Then add the fact that the rise of streaming has made live gigs the easiest way for artists to grab some cash. And then there's Ticketmaster - the worst kind of corporate scum. They're legalized parasites. Their dynamic pricing - however they try to market it - is just a way of squeezing more money from loyal fans. Disgusting. Let's not make ourselves feel better by convincing ourselves it's all on Ticketmaster. They are simply giving artists an option for how they sell tickets. Artists can say yes or no. see further down this article where Robert Smith also says he rejected dynamic pricing www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64975160.ampNoel and Liam knew about this. If you want to be disgusted be disgusted with them. Otherwise it's like finding out your partner had an affair, and putting all the blame on the other party because you don't want to have to accept your partner wanted to cheat on you. I literally wrote that live gigs have become "the easiest way for artists to grab some cash". I'm not so naive.
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Post by neila83 on Sept 1, 2024 3:21:00 GMT -5
Pricing isn’t down to the band it’s sjm and live nation.. they set the prices to maximum profit . They make an offer to the band and have to retrieve that back .. also welcome to rip off Britain the place Is on its arse See this article, Robert Smith himself said no to dynamic pricing. www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64975160.ampNo way Noel and Liam were not consulted on this. Artists do have a say in ticket prices, they'll be told they can make £X per gig depending on different prices, and that will figure in deciding how many shows to do and what prices. Let's not be naive. Noel has even in the past said they tried to keep ticket prices as low as possible back in the day. So yes they are involved.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 1, 2024 3:25:15 GMT -5
Pricing isn’t down to the band it’s sjm and live nation.. they set the prices to maximum profit . They make an offer to the band and have to retrieve that back .. also welcome to rip off Britain the place Is on its arse See this article, Robert Smith himself said no to dynamic pricing. www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64975160.ampNo way Noel and Liam were not consulted on this. Artists do have a say in ticket prices, they'll be told they can make £X per gig depending on different prices, and that will figure in deciding how many shows to do and what prices. Let's not be naive. Noel has even in the past said they tried to keep ticket prices as low as possible back in the day. So yes they are involved. Of course they are. If Noel says he wants to perform all the songs naked in the dark, he will have the green light. He's been asked for 10 years to do a reunion, he's got all the power in hands. From ticket price to song selection (bar 3 or 4 that are probably contractually included) to venues... etc But he seemed pretty shaken up by his divorce and kinda lost the good sense lately. Since Covid he's gone to dark places.
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Post by neila83 on Sept 1, 2024 3:29:57 GMT -5
thats not the point and back in day dollars were worthless to the all mighty sterling the point not the cost everyone happy enough with the cost that ws advertised so idk what you point is My point is that people decided - en masse - that the price they were offered represented value to them personally. Also: $250 in 2007 was around £125. £125 - nearly two decades ago. The people who bought dynamically priced tickets were a relatively small proportion, no-one decided en masse. And they weren't given time to decide if they represented value to them. After spending hours in a queue, in an emotionally charged state, they were suddenly given a few minutes to decide if they should buy a ticket for twice the price they had been informed it would cost. Knowing that if they don't they won't get a ticket at all. It's complete manipulation and exploitation of people in a stressful situation where we know the rational part of the brain shuts down. As far as your brain is concerned in that moment it thinks if you don't buy that ticket a tiger is going to eat you. If they were announced as £350 fair enough, people can make a decision. I wouldn't have gone. Changing the price in an instant when people have no time to think about it when emotions are running this high, for something people have an emotional connection to, is horrible. It's exploiting psychology to fleece people who have been loyal to you for years. So much about this has already confirmed it really is just about the money. Not music. Not passion. I wish they'd at least tried to make it s bit less obvious. The fact they haven't, that so little effort has been put in because they know they don't need to to sell tickets, is very telling. This isn't really even Oasis, it's some people who were once in Oasis getting on stage and playing their songs. If it were a reunion we'd see more than Liam and Noel on posters and someone would have actually said something.
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Post by scorpiosonic on Sept 1, 2024 3:39:24 GMT -5
My point is that people decided - en masse - that the price they were offered represented value to them personally. Also: $250 in 2007 was around £125. £125 - nearly two decades ago. The people who bought dynamically priced tickets were a relatively small proportion, no-one decided en masse. And they weren't given time to decide if they represented value to them. After spending hours in a queue, in an emotionally charged state, they were suddenly given a few minutes to decide if they should buy a ticket for twice the price they had been informed it would cost. Knowing that if they don't they won't get a ticket at all. It's complete manipulation and exploitation of people in a stressful situation where we know the rational part of the brain shuts down. As far as your brain is concerned in that moment it thinks if you don't buy that ticket a tiger is going to eat you. If they were announced as £350 fair enough, people can make a decision. I wouldn't have gone. Changing the price in an instant when people have no time to think about it when emotions are running this high, for something people have an emotional connection to, is horrible. It's exploiting psychology to fleece people who have been loyal to you for years. So much about this has already confirmed it really is just about the money. Not music. Not passion. I wish they'd at least tried to make it s bit less obvious. The fact they haven't, that so little effort has been put in because they know they don't need to to sell tickets, is very telling. This isn't really even Oasis, it's some people who were once in Oasis getting on stage and playing their songs. If it were a reunion we'd see more than Liam and Noel on posters and someone would have actually said something. 100% agree
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Post by dl on Sept 1, 2024 4:11:21 GMT -5
Are Live Nation not the promoters? And they own Ticketmaster. And a load of venues etc. So ticketmaster blaming the promoters is quite funny considering they are all under the same monopoly as far as I'm aware. It's a disgrace
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 1, 2024 4:20:13 GMT -5
Dynamic pricing is shit. There’s no defending it.
But the gigs all sold out. And people paid the prices. So it’s unlikely to change. Anyone who paid for a ticket with dynamic pricing is only contributing to the problem.
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 1, 2024 4:48:51 GMT -5
Incredibly Oasis for the Gallaghers to get the most internationally strong wave of good-will they've ever had and then make everyone think they're twats again before the calendar week is over.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 1, 2024 4:56:31 GMT -5
So if tickets are considered "in demand" the prices go up, therefore if there's no demand the opposite should happen and prices should drop? That would be amazing but then how do they fuck you up? They actually do it over here from time to time, when tickets are selling *badly* they give them out for 10-20€ in the last days of sale
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 1, 2024 5:04:22 GMT -5
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Post by carlober on Sept 1, 2024 5:06:28 GMT -5
Did anyone really think we would get cheap tickets? That's delusional.
This is probably the most talked-about reunion in modern music history. Everyone is trying to make as much money as possible — Noel & Liam, their management, the promoters, mainstream media, the hotels. Everyone.
Fans are there to be milked for money. That's just how the business operates, unfortunately. And post-COVID it's become even worse.
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Post by jaq515 on Sept 1, 2024 5:28:39 GMT -5
Did anyone really think we would get cheap tickets? That's delusional. This is probably the most talked-about reunion in modern music history. Everyone is trying to make as much money as possible — Noel & Liam, their management, the promoters, mainstream media, the hotels. Everyone. Fans are there to be milked for money. That's just how the business operates, unfortunately. And post-COVID it's become even worse. I dont think any one did think they'd be cheap. The actual price of the ticket is what it is. This tour ~150 they could have been ~500 if thats what they wanted to charge and that the money they want to make, that would be the price of entry. You pay and go see them or you say thats just too much money and move on. At least it open, honest and upfront and if inline with everything else you purchase in life its just that dynamic sting that wasnt mentioned anywhere hasn't happened for hardly any other gigs. Liam at knebworth 2 years ago I bought from ticketmaster they sold out instantly and I paid what was advertised. Noel at TCT this year the same As said earlier in thread the people in that queue for that long to be then faced not its not sold out but we just made up price which is over double the price is horrendous and anyone involved deserves all the back lash they get.
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Post by emil on Sept 1, 2024 5:50:48 GMT -5
So if tickets are considered "in demand" the prices go up, therefore if there's no demand the opposite should happen and prices should drop? Yeah they do. Similar to the standard slashing of ticket prices that happens when they are not moving. Tickets were half the price at the end for Pearl Jam tickets this summer. So in reality is just a way to push up prices without having to communicate the high prices at the get-go. Before, tickets could just go cheaper but never suddenly be raised.
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Post by emil on Sept 1, 2024 5:54:50 GMT -5
Dynamic pricing is shit. There’s no defending it. But the gigs all sold out. And people paid the prices. So it’s unlikely to change. Anyone who paid for a ticket with dynamic pricing is only contributing to the problem. If you gonna use that logic, then anyone buying a ticket to these shows at any price is contributing to the problem by not standing up for the people being forced to pick dynamic priced tickets and not refusing. So it's unlikely to change.
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Post by racingman11 on Sept 1, 2024 5:55:10 GMT -5
Let’s talk about them forcefeeding you an event insurance just to read afterwards in the insurance mail :
Cover is only available to residents of the UK, Channel Islands or Isle of Man.
Well that was a wasteful use of 5,25£.
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Post by emil on Sept 1, 2024 5:57:47 GMT -5
Let’s talk about them forcefeeding you an event insurance just to read afterwards in the insurance mail : Cover is only available to residents of the UK, Channel Islands or Isle of Man. Well that was a wasteful use of 5,25£. Has anyone outside of the UK contacted Ticketmaster about this?
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Post by jaq515 on Sept 1, 2024 6:07:05 GMT -5
Let’s talk about them forcefeeding you an event insurance just to read afterwards in the insurance mail : Cover is only available to residents of the UK, Channel Islands or Isle of Man. Well that was a wasteful use of 5,25£. there was a box where you could click no, but think it was right at the bottom of the page where to say yes was in a very obvious place to make sure naturally click it. Companies have got into trouble for using these dark pattern techniques Also they give you like 5 mins? or something to complete checkout so guessing thats not enough time to check the terms?? (idk how long the document is)
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Post by quantum on Sept 1, 2024 6:09:11 GMT -5
Let’s talk about them forcefeeding you an event insurance just to read afterwards in the insurance mail : Cover is only available to residents of the UK, Channel Islands or Isle of Man. Well that was a wasteful use of 5,25£. wasn't it an optional add-on?
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Post by emil on Sept 1, 2024 6:09:23 GMT -5
I got these fees:
Service Fee: £11.50 x 2 £23.00 Facility Charge: £2.75 x 2 £5.50 Order Processing Fee £2.75
Normal I guess?
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Sept 1, 2024 7:35:04 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the link.
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Post by racingman11 on Sept 1, 2024 7:38:48 GMT -5
Let’s talk about them forcefeeding you an event insurance just to read afterwards in the insurance mail : Cover is only available to residents of the UK, Channel Islands or Isle of Man. Well that was a wasteful use of 5,25£. wasn't it an optional add-on? I believe it was. It all went so fast.
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Post by walterglass on Sept 1, 2024 7:47:06 GMT -5
My point is that people decided - en masse - that the price they were offered represented value to them personally. Also: $250 in 2007 was around £125. £125 - nearly two decades ago. The people who bought dynamically priced tickets were a relatively small proportion, no-one decided en masse. And they weren't given time to decide if they represented value to them. After spending hours in a queue, in an emotionally charged state, they were suddenly given a few minutes to decide if they should buy a ticket for twice the price they had been informed it would cost. Knowing that if they don't they won't get a ticket at all. It's complete manipulation and exploitation of people in a stressful situation where we know the rational part of the brain shuts down. As far as your brain is concerned in that moment it thinks if you don't buy that ticket a tiger is going to eat you. If they were announced as £350 fair enough, people can make a decision. I wouldn't have gone. Changing the price in an instant when people have no time to think about it when emotions are running this high, for something people have an emotional connection to, is horrible. It's exploiting psychology to fleece people who have been loyal to you for years. So much about this has already confirmed it really is just about the money. Not music. Not passion. I wish they'd at least tried to make it s bit less obvious. The fact they haven't, that so little effort has been put in because they know they don't need to to sell tickets, is very telling. This isn't really even Oasis, it's some people who were once in Oasis getting on stage and playing their songs. If it were a reunion we'd see more than Liam and Noel on posters and someone would have actually said something. This should then be a great lesson for people who may one day look to buy shares in a business. Or try to buy a home etc. Quotes. Starting prices. Unexpected bids from competitors. It’s the real world.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 1, 2024 8:00:54 GMT -5
wasn't it an optional add-on? I believe it was. It all went so fast. I think you have to click “no I don’t want to insure my tickets”. I’ve never bothered with the insurance myself.
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Post by neila83 on Sept 1, 2024 8:03:56 GMT -5
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