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Post by walterglass on Aug 31, 2024 20:07:44 GMT -5
14 million tried. “Led Zeppelin In 2007, the revered rock group Led Zeppelin redefined the meaning of high-priced concert tickets. After nearly two decades, the band reunited for a tribute show at London’s O2 Arena in honor of Ahmet Ertegun, the founder of Atlantic Records, who died in the previous year. The Los Angeles Times called it “the concert of the millennium” by “the greatest rock and roll band ever.” That may be more than just an opinion, with Led Zeppelin having two albums on the list of the bestselling albums of all time. While the base price for tickets was set at $250…” $250 up-over 17 years ago. . thats not the point and back in day dollars were worthless to the all mighty sterling the point not the cost everyone happy enough with the cost that ws advertised so idk what you point is My point is that people decided - en masse - that the price they were offered represented value to them personally. Also: $250 in 2007 was around £125. £125 - nearly two decades ago.
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 20:10:38 GMT -5
thats not the point and back in day dollars were worthless to the all mighty sterling the point not the cost everyone happy enough with the cost that ws advertised so idk what you point is My point is that people decided - en masse - that the price they were offered represented value to them personally. Also: $250 in 2007 was around £125. £125 - nearly two decades ago. and you point is ??
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 20:14:28 GMT -5
thats not the point and back in day dollars were worthless to the all mighty sterling the point not the cost everyone happy enough with the cost that ws advertised so idk what you point is My point is that people decided - en masse - that the price they were offered represented value to them personally. Also: $250 in 2007 was around £125. £125 - nearly two decades ago. the whole point of this thread is dynamic pricing and you pull out an example saying the people knew the price of a gig and they bought it thats literally why this thread exists as people were told a price and it changed. if the led zeppelin gigs towards end went up to $600 worthless dollars unannounced then id get you point
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Post by walterglass on Aug 31, 2024 20:15:34 GMT -5
My point is that people decided - en masse - that the price they were offered represented value to them personally. Also: $250 in 2007 was around £125. £125 - nearly two decades ago. and you point is ?? That actions speak louder than words. People paid. By any metric this signifies people saw value in the pricing, even if it was a surprise. And that the sums paid were not historically disproportionate to what other big artists have commanded.
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 20:16:49 GMT -5
That actions speak louder than words. People paid. By any metric this signifies people saw value in the pricing, even if it was a surprise. And that the sums paid were not historically disproportionate to what other big artists have commanded. yeah and if oasis had said the tickets today were all 350 and the people who bought them would feel the same thats nothing about dynamic pricing
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 20:18:02 GMT -5
That actions speak louder than words. People paid. By any metric this signifies people saw value in the pricing, even if it was a surprise. And that the sums paid were not historically disproportionate to what other big artists have commanded. do you understand you are in a dynamic pricing thread?
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Post by walterglass on Aug 31, 2024 20:21:06 GMT -5
That actions speak louder than words. People paid. By any metric this signifies people saw value in the pricing, even if it was a surprise. And that the sums paid were not historically disproportionate to what other big artists have commanded. do you understand you are in a dynamic pricing thread? Yes. That’s why I qualified my point by saying “even if it was a surprise”. See?
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 20:25:06 GMT -5
do you understand you are in a dynamic pricing thread? Yes. That’s why I qualified my point by saying “even if it was a surprise”. See? but that was the price of the tickets? I was suprised oasis reformed and tickets was 150 / It could've been been I said I was suprised if oasis reformed and tickets was 350 but that be what they are. Are you being a tinker here and have some big reveal to you point??
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 20:30:58 GMT -5
is your surprise just that they were really expensive for time???
if so again has no relation to dynamic pricing... I can see you think it does.. but it doesn't they was just expensive
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Post by walterglass on Aug 31, 2024 20:32:10 GMT -5
Yes. That’s why I qualified my point by saying “even if it was a surprise”. See? but that was the price of the tickets? I was suprised oasis reformed and tickets was 150 / It could've been been I said I was suprised if oasis reformed and tickets was 350 but that be what they are. Are you being a tinker here and have some big reveal to you point?? Are you going to a show?
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 20:32:49 GMT -5
but that was the price of the tickets? I was suprised oasis reformed and tickets was 150 / It could've been been I said I was suprised if oasis reformed and tickets was 350 but that be what they are. Are you being a tinker here and have some big reveal to you point?? Are you going to a show? yes I am paid exactly what was advertised like the led zeppelin gig or is there a point?
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Post by walterglass on Aug 31, 2024 20:33:38 GMT -5
yes I am paid exactly what was advertised Have lots of fun. You only live once.
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 20:36:44 GMT -5
yes I am paid exactly what was advertised Have lots of fun. You only live once. so not point then? like I said oasis could've charged whatever and id most likely have paid it as intrinsically they mean a lot to me for a very long time I just dont agree on the rug pull 4/5 the way through a ticket sale of them saying oh by the way if you wanna come 225% increase or cya .. that not right to me at all
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Post by walterglass on Aug 31, 2024 20:39:00 GMT -5
Have lots of fun. You only live once. so not point then? like I said oasis could've charged whatever and id most likely have paid it as intrinsically they mean a lot to me for a very long time I just dont agree on the rug pull 4/5 the way through a ticket sale of them saying oh by the way if you wanna come 225% increase or cya .. that not right to me at all I could make my point again but I don’t think it’s fully registering, sadly. Have a great time.
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 20:46:59 GMT -5
so not point then? like I said oasis could've charged whatever and id most likely have paid it as intrinsically they mean a lot to me for a very long time I just dont agree on the rug pull 4/5 the way through a ticket sale of them saying oh by the way if you wanna come 225% increase or cya .. that not right to me at all I could make my point again but I don’t think it’s fully registering, sadly. Have a great time. no cos you example people knew the price so doesn't work at all.. and you think at any point in time that price can change but to them it still means something to them so ill just pay anything and they'll be so happy cos they still got to see their heroes. You take that high of those who can ... and the apply it to many many people who struggled to get the asking price of 150 so after waiting 4 hour being so excited to then get a price they just can afford to be told now sorry now is 350 and the low they experience is heart breaking to me tbh so no you point doesn't register to me at all and I will thank you so excited
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Sept 1, 2024 2:19:16 GMT -5
It kinda makes it easier to live with it, that I got no ticket. I would have paid 150 without thinking. But I would not hsve paid 350 euros for a ticket, that was worth 150 euros seconds before. I don't want to give money to a system like this.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 1, 2024 2:26:17 GMT -5
Comparison with Blur Wembley in 2023
Gold circle – £147.20 Standing – £101.10 Seats – £112.60 / £101.10 / £89.60 / £78.05
These are good prices in these days i think.
Of course its not the same level of excitment and anticipation, but Oasis could have kept prices reasonable.
Lets hope its only a one off and the future gigs have more reasonable prices. It can be done, dynamic pricing or not. The demand will be lower for future tours, with all the FOMO people interested in something else.
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Post by dangerman on Sept 1, 2024 2:29:44 GMT -5
I find the outrage naive. You want Champagne, you pay Champagne prices. Nobody on here argues over finance when download PMs are getting splashed around left, right & centre when a leak materialises. Take it on the chin. The difference is, I know the cost of champagne upfront. I make an informed decision to pick a bottle up and take it to the til to pay for it. While waiting on a queue to pay, the price doesn't suddenly go up. Or what if I'm at a super fancy restaraunt and I see an really expensive steak on the menu. It's an absolute fortune but I've had a rough week and decide I'm worth a treat. The price doesn't go up while I'm waiting for it to come to my table. People queueing and expecting (rightly so) to pay around £150. A decision was made to try and get tickets based on that price. It is absolutely disgusting and indefensible that prices were hiked like they were to take advantage of people's desperation.
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Post by settingson on Sept 1, 2024 2:29:50 GMT -5
It's kinda the flip side of Spotify and streaming. Musicians make very little from their recordings nowadays and so they milk it from concerts when they can. The day after a concert finishes, a recording will surface and we will download it for free.
Not defending it. It just is what it is. Something has to give.
The thing that amazes/surprises me is that Ticketmaster is so powerful that everyone seems to use it. There really doesn't seem to be much competition ... and that never bodes well for the customer. Gigs and Tours seemed to be down the whole day, from what I understand?
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Post by andymorris on Sept 1, 2024 2:38:06 GMT -5
It's kinda the flip side of Spotify and streaming. Musicians make very little from their recordings nowadays and so they milk it from concerts when they can. The day after a concert finishes, a recording will surface and we will download it for free. Not defending it. It just is what it is. Something has to give. The thing that amazes/surprises me is that Ticketmaster is so powerful that everyone seems to use it. There really doesn't seem to be much competition ... and that never bodes well for the customer. Gigs and Tours seemed to be down the whole day, from what I understand? Yeah but... Does Oasis need it ? Are they in financial trouble ? Are they just starting ? The biggest comeback would have been that: a comeback with lower prices. And with some good PR, it could have made the headlines. They still make millions, their image is good, and fans can attend the gig at a reasonable price. Everyone is happy. There's a theory in economics (the only one that i remember) that people will always pay more if you increase the price of stuff they like. We are there, no matter the price, people are buying.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Sept 1, 2024 2:59:49 GMT -5
It's kinda the flip side of Spotify and streaming. Musicians make very little from their recordings nowadays and so they milk it from concerts when they can. The day after a concert finishes, a recording will surface and we will download it for free. Not defending it. It just is what it is. Something has to give. The thing that amazes/surprises me is that Ticketmaster is so powerful that everyone seems to use it. There really doesn't seem to be much competition ... and that never bodes well for the customer. Gigs and Tours seemed to be down the whole day, from what I understand? Good point. Albums are not selling and people want to listen to music for free. Do I like the dynamic pricing? No, but I have the option not to buy an overpriced ticket (I would have been willing to pay 100Eur but not much more than that). It is what it is. This is the world we're living in. Only money matters. It does suck for the people who have never seen Oasis live and I believe they're obviously more desperate to pay almost whatever price is shown to them on Ticketmaster.
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Post by carlober on Sept 1, 2024 3:04:58 GMT -5
Everything post-COVID has been massively inflated, whether through the supply chain or straight price gouging from corporations like Ticketmaster. When you set inflation expectations high from the economic outlook, you end up getting away with things like this. Our entire concept of pricing is warped since before 2020, prices like these were unheard of. Unless significant deflation occurs, this is going to be the norm across every industry, especially live music. Basically, this. Then add the fact that the rise of streaming has made live gigs the easiest way for artists to grab some cash. And then there's Ticketmaster - the worst kind of corporate scum. They're legalized parasites. Their dynamic pricing - however they try to market it - is just a way of squeezing more money from loyal fans. Disgusting.
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Post by vespa on Sept 1, 2024 3:08:14 GMT -5
Pricing isn’t down to the band it’s sjm and live nation.. they set the prices to maximum profit . They make an offer to the band and have to retrieve that back .. also welcome to rip off Britain the place Is on its arse
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Post by neila83 on Sept 1, 2024 3:13:12 GMT -5
Everything post-COVID has been massively inflated, whether through the supply chain or straight price gouging from corporations like Ticketmaster. When you set inflation expectations high from the economic outlook, you end up getting away with things like this. Our entire concept of pricing is warped since before 2020, prices like these were unheard of. Unless significant deflation occurs, this is going to be the norm across every industry, especially live music. Basically, this. Then add the fact that the rise of streaming has made live gigs the easiest way for artists to grab some cash. And then there's Ticketmaster - the worst kind of corporate scum. They're legalized parasites. Their dynamic pricing - however they try to market it - is just a way of squeezing more money from loyal fans. Disgusting. Let's not make ourselves feel better by convincing ourselves it's all on Ticketmaster. They are simply giving artists an option for how they sell tickets. Artists can say yes or no. see further down this article where Robert Smith also says he rejected dynamic pricing www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64975160.ampNoel and Liam knew about this. If you want to be disgusted be disgusted with them. Otherwise it's like finding out your partner had an affair, and putting all the blame on the other party because you don't want to have to accept your partner wanted to cheat on you.
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Post by neila83 on Sept 1, 2024 3:17:36 GMT -5
Comparison with Blur Wembley in 2023 Gold circle – £147.20 Standing – £101.10 Seats – £112.60 / £101.10 / £89.60 / £78.05 These are good prices in these days i think. Of course its not the same level of excitment and anticipation, but Oasis could have kept prices reasonable. Lets hope its only a one off and the future gigs have more reasonable prices. It can be done, dynamic pricing or not. The demand will be lower for future tours, with all the FOMO people interested in something else. Yeh, shows prices didn't have to be this high. Especially when you're doing so many gigs. And Noel and Liam don't NEED this much money. They've clearly set their stall out to make as much money as possible as quickly as possible. This is not really connected in any way to the band we knew back in the 90s. It's a corporate brand being wheeled out to exploit loyal customers, knowing emotion will mean they will pay pretty much anything. I am going, I'm sure I'll enjoy it. But I'm not deluding myself that this is being done for passion for the band or making music together. I know I'm basically being used to help pay the divorce/child support bills of a couple of middle aged men with more money than I'll earn in 10 lifetimes. Which does cast a bit of a shadow over the whole thing.
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