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Post by andymorris on Feb 12, 2024 2:46:48 GMT -5
dont we all mate make a playlist and it does haha Or buy the Japanese version I guess! I'm not so much a collector but i do have this one. There was a time it was cheaper to buy japanese versions over European ones. Crazy. Little James on the album is Noel being a good marketer. They needed a fresh start, with something for the headlines. It was psychedelic Oasis with Liam writing songs. |
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Post by tiger40 on Feb 12, 2024 5:39:22 GMT -5
Don't we all. It was certainly the best b.side from that era no question. Agreed. It was very unfortunate that Little James happened at the same time. I'm not criticizing or saying Liam shouldn't have started writing songs. It's good that he started writing and we got Songbird and I'm Outta Time down the road, but there was no room for Let's All Make Believe on the album. That's how I see it anyway. On my playlist I've replaced PYMWYMI and Little James with LAMB and Full On. SOTSOG is their third best album even without changing the tracklist. It's very well produced and mixed. Also, Liam delivers great vocals throughout the album. Negative things from that era: Noel's absence during the tour LAMB not on the album PYMWYMI sounds incomplete and unfinished. Noel got lazy there. Spike Stent didn't continue being their producer in the upcoming albums Overall, it was a bit of strange and dark era and the album probably wasn't that well received by most of the listeners but I loved it and still do. Times had changed and the Brit pop scene had died at that point. SOTSOG showed that Oasis could deliver something at least a bit different than the previous albums. It's a pity they didn't continue experimenting more on HC and DBTT. Yeah, I agree with you but I wouldn't have put Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is or I Can See A Liar on the album either. I would have replaced them with Let's All Make Believe, One Way Round, and Carry Us All. Mind you, there would have been too many Noel sung songs then unless they had any other good songs around with Liam on vocals which were never released. |
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Feb 12, 2024 6:09:11 GMT -5
Agreed. It was very unfortunate that Little James happened at the same time. I'm not criticizing or saying Liam shouldn't have started writing songs. It's good that he started writing and we got Songbird and I'm Outta Time down the road, but there was no room for Let's All Make Believe on the album. That's how I see it anyway. On my playlist I've replaced PYMWYMI and Little James with LAMB and Full On. SOTSOG is their third best album even without changing the tracklist. It's very well produced and mixed. Also, Liam delivers great vocals throughout the album. Negative things from that era: Noel's absence during the tour LAMB not on the album PYMWYMI sounds incomplete and unfinished. Noel got lazy there. Spike Stent didn't continue being their producer in the upcoming albums Overall, it was a bit of strange and dark era and the album probably wasn't that well received by most of the listeners but I loved it and still do. Times had changed and the Brit pop scene had died at that point. SOTSOG showed that Oasis could deliver something at least a bit different than the previous albums. It's a pity they didn't continue experimenting more on HC and DBTT. Yeah, I agree with you but I wouldn't have put Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is or I Can See A Liar on the album either. I would have replaced them with Let's All Make Believe, One Way Round, and Carry Us All. Mind you, there would have been too many Noel sung songs then unless they had any other good songs around with Liam on vocals which were never released. Liam could have sung Full On for example, I don't understand why he didn't. |
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 12, 2024 6:14:18 GMT -5
There isn't a single song from the Giants era that Liam shouldn't have sang.
One flaw of that period is being the start of Noel's ridiculous over-representation in vocals for their later career.
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Post by morning_rain on Feb 12, 2024 6:52:55 GMT -5
There's a lot to love about the SOTSOG era, we used to be a minority feeling that way and I'm glad there has been a new perception of the album in later years.
I think the change in sound was the boldest move they ever did as a band and it really worked for me. A darker mood, new sounds, Liam's raspy voice but still holding notes with power. They looked cool, acted cool and Noel started feeling more relaxed and honest in interviews.
The problem is they didn't change drastically, so the people who had moved on to listening to different music weren't interested, and it was too different for people who were expecting WTSMG part 2. But it hits a sweet spot for me.
I agree with someone on this thread who said it's one of their most listened Oasis albums, even if it's not the best. There's something special about it that can really be appreciated when you listen to it from start to finish.
Yeah they left out two great b-sides (LAMB and One Way Road), but you can say that from every Oasis album. And in my opinion I'd wish there was another song in the same style as Go Let It Out, it just lacks that one big song to be on the same level as some of the 90's albums.
But still, it's really really good, will always be special to me and I'd wish we get an anniversary reissue with extras.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 12, 2024 7:33:34 GMT -5
I absolutely loved the build up towards this album. We knew Noel’s quotes when the BHN tour ended, that the pub rock sound was over and Mach II Oasis would begin. He talked of a more mature sound, he named dropped bands like Beta Band and Mercury Rev. He talked about getting really into Led Zeppelin, buying a double neck guitar but then returning it because he said he looked like a vagina. I remember in class trips to the school library I’d hop on the Internet and check OA515 and the Masterplan forums for news. This was the fall of 1998 running into the spring of 2000.
The only sounds I had to work with were how Liam sounded on his Jam cover of Carnation (He sounded fantastic), Noel’s Let Forever Be work with Chemical Bros and Noel’s work on UNKLE’s “The Knock On Effect”. We didn’t really get the former on SOTSOG but we did with Fucking In The Bushes. Huge UNKLE influence there.
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Post by GlastoEls on Feb 12, 2024 7:58:30 GMT -5
Roll it Over is a true forgotten masterpiece. Even in this thread, it isn't getting the love it deserves. A tasteful rock ballad that might be the best closer they ever did after Champagne Supernova. Coronated at Knebworth. |
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Post by GlastoEls on Feb 12, 2024 8:02:52 GMT -5
I absolutely loved the build up towards this album. We knew Noel’s quotes when the BHN tour ended, that the pub rock sound was over and Mach II Oasis would begin. He talked of a more mature sound, he named dropped bands like Beta Band and Mercury Rev. He talked about getting really into Led Zeppelin, buying a double neck guitar but then returning it because he said he looked like a vagina. I remember in class trips to the school library I’d hop on the Internet and check OA515 and the Masterplan forums for news. This was the fall of 1998 running into the spring of 2000. The only sounds I had to work with were how Liam sounded on his Jam cover of Carnation (He sounded fantastic), Noel’s Let Forever Be work with Chemical Bros and Noel’s work on UNKLE’s “The Knock On Effect”. We didn’t really get the former on SOTSOG but we did with Fucking In The Bushes. Huge UNKLE influence there. Exactly this. |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Feb 12, 2024 8:22:08 GMT -5
Controversial but I think this is Oasis live at their peak, in terms of sound. The band is GREAT and Liam sounds brilliant.
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Post by Firefly on Feb 12, 2024 11:20:12 GMT -5
Roll it Over is a true forgotten masterpiece. Even in this thread, it isn't getting the love it deserves. A tasteful rock ballad that might be the best closer they ever did after Champagne Supernova. Love Roll It Over. Liam sung is superb. But Noel's demo is something special. Something about the weariness he puts across gets to me, the way he sings leave me hereeeeeeee and it just trails away into nothing. Like that kinda vocal is not meant to have power behind it, quite the opposite. I reckon we get the most insight into how he was feeling during that era though that demo. |
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Post by hislittleguitar on Feb 12, 2024 11:30:43 GMT -5
Roll it Over is a true forgotten masterpiece. Even in this thread, it isn't getting the love it deserves. A tasteful rock ballad that might be the best closer they ever did after Champagne Supernova. Love Roll It Over. Liam sung is superb. But Noel's demo is something special. Something about the weariness he puts across gets to me, the way he sings leave me hereeeeeeee and it just trails away into nothing. Like that kinda vocal is not meant to have power behind it, quite the opposite. I reckon we get the most insight into how he was feeling during that era though that demo. Strongly agree. Perhaps Liam should've sung the verses with Noel holding that incredible chorus, like a matured acquiesce. That and Where did it all go wrong should've been produced exactly like it was played for the Jools Holland special. |
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Post by yogurt on Feb 12, 2024 12:11:52 GMT -5
It doesn't get any better than this His voice deteriorated quite a bit between that 99 gig and the end of the SOTSOG tour! |
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Post by yogurt on Feb 12, 2024 12:43:50 GMT -5
I like the era, it's a pretty unique one in the band.
I felt it was a good step in another direction in some ways, especially when I think the next album and those following become a bit pastiche in terms of the songs. They went backwards on HC in my opinion.
That said, I don't think SOTSOG is a great album, but I think there was a missed opportunity for it to be. 99% of bands have a label and A&R guy that will tell a band to reconsider the track listing and go away and come up with another 2 great songs. I know that's not cool for bands to hear, label interference, but I really think that album needed someone objective to come in and tell them it needs another couple of very strong songs and sequenced better and some songs swapped with better B sides. I think that's all it would have taken to be a really strong album.
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 12, 2024 13:39:03 GMT -5
I like the era, it's a pretty unique one in the band. I felt it was a good step in another direction in some ways, especially when I think the next album and those following become a bit pastiche in terms of the songs. They went backwards on HC in my opinion. That said, I don't think SOTSOG is a great album, but I think there was a missed opportunity for it to be. 99% of bands have a label and A&R guy that will tell a band to reconsider the track listing and go away and come up with another 2 great songs. I know that's not cool for bands to hear, label interference, but I really think that album needed someone objective to come in and tell them it needs another couple of very strong songs and sequenced better and some songs swapped with better B sides. I think that's all it would have taken to be a really strong album. I see what you’re saying about the record company or A&R people saying something about the album but in reality would Noel listen to anyone? They were on their own label by that point. When on creation it was never Alan McGee’s style to get involved in artistic decisions. I think at that point the only people Noel might have listened to would be Paul Weller, Johnny Marr or perhaps Paul Stacey. I’m not aware of any of them advising anything. Could the producer Mark Spike stent have said something? |
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Post by tiger40 on Feb 12, 2024 14:21:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with you but I wouldn't have put Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is or I Can See A Liar on the album either. I would have replaced them with Let's All Make Believe, One Way Round, and Carry Us All. Mind you, there would have been too many Noel sung songs then unless they had any other good songs around with Liam on vocals which were never released. Liam could have sung Full On for example, I don't understand why he didn't. Yeah, Liam should've definitely sung Full On and I think that he should've sung Carry Us All as well. |
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Post by tiger40 on Feb 12, 2024 14:24:54 GMT -5
Roll it Over is a true forgotten masterpiece. Even in this thread, it isn't getting the love it deserves. A tasteful rock ballad that might be the best closer they ever did after Champagne Supernova. Love Roll It Over. Liam sung is superb. But Noel's demo is something special. Something about the weariness he puts across gets to me, the way he sings leave me hereeeeeeee and it just trails away into nothing. Like that kinda vocal is not meant to have power behind it, quite the opposite. I reckon we get the most insight into how he was feeling during that era though that demo. I love both versions of Roll It Over and the same goes for Gas Panic too. Although, I haven't listened to the demo versions of the album in a very long time. |
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Post by yogurt on Feb 12, 2024 14:39:54 GMT -5
I like the era, it's a pretty unique one in the band. I felt it was a good step in another direction in some ways, especially when I think the next album and those following become a bit pastiche in terms of the songs. They went backwards on HC in my opinion. That said, I don't think SOTSOG is a great album, but I think there was a missed opportunity for it to be. 99% of bands have a label and A&R guy that will tell a band to reconsider the track listing and go away and come up with another 2 great songs. I know that's not cool for bands to hear, label interference, but I really think that album needed someone objective to come in and tell them it needs another couple of very strong songs and sequenced better and some songs swapped with better B sides. I think that's all it would have taken to be a really strong album. I see what you’re saying about the record company or A&R people saying something about the album but in reality would Noel listen to anyone? They were on their own label by that point. When on creation it was never Alan McGee’s style to get involved in artistic decisions. I think at that point the only people Noel might have listened to would be Paul Weller, Johnny Marr or perhaps Paul Stacey. I’m not aware of any of them advising anything. Could the producer Mark Spike stent have said something? Indeed, I was actually going to make that point in my post but it didn't want it to get too long but yeah I also don't think he would have really listened to anybody anyway. If they were still on a label nobody probably would have said anything either because they had so much success with their previous albums in terms of sales that maybe they were just left to their own devices. anyway I saw an interview recently with Graham Coxon and Stepheb Street talking about recording blur's self-titled album and by that point the record company just let them do what they want because they had proven they could deliver big albums by that point. I guess it would have been the case with Oasis. Anyway Noel said Liam and spike stent both pushed for I can see a liar to be on the album, so I guess in a way the producer did have an input and influence, but maybe not a good one choice in this instance |
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 12, 2024 14:59:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with you but I wouldn't have put Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is or I Can See A Liar on the album either. I would have replaced them with Let's All Make Believe, One Way Round, and Carry Us All. Mind you, there would have been too many Noel sung songs then unless they had any other good songs around with Liam on vocals which were never released. Liam could have sung Full On for example, I don't understand why he didn't. I’d have love to have heard Liam sing Full On. I can only assume that either Liam didn’t like the song or they ran out of time in the studio, I know they did some work at Olympic Studios but they also had Wheeler End Studio by this point so the cost of studio time or bookings shouldn’t have been a problem. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Feb 12, 2024 16:59:06 GMT -5
I love how every SOTSOG discussion inevitably gets round to the fact that Liam should have sung Full On.
It’s an ok song but it feels quite incomplete and they should have worked on that one a bit more. They definitely needed another ‘rocker’ so can see why they went for I Can See a Liar - even though I’m not a huge fan of it.
Always thought SOTSOG was Oasis’ Empire Strikes Back - darker and more interesting than the other entries in the canon.
Creating the perfect track listing for that album is like cracking the Enigma Code.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 12, 2024 17:08:20 GMT -5
Noel cooked up a lot of cool and modern sonics throughout the record.
Fucking In The Bushes
Go Let It Out!
Who Feels Love?
Little James
Gas Panic
Roll It Over
These all felt and sounded different than what was present on the first 3 LPs. I love the sounds on Little James and the cheese lyrics don’t bother me because we knew the subject matter going in.
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Post by Firefly on Feb 12, 2024 17:13:23 GMT -5
I like Noel's vocal on Full On, not one we hear from him too often. Liam would've blasted the song into the stratosphere of course but Noel did a good job and it's a song I still listen to regularly.
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Feb 12, 2024 17:28:33 GMT -5
Playing a bit of fantasy this is an alternative SOTSOG track list where you keep the new sonics and add a couple of more anthemic songs that, if I’m not mistaken, were available when the album was recorded:
1- Fucking in the bushes
2- Go let it out
3- Who feels love
4- Put yer money where her mouth is
5- Songbird
6- Little by little
7- Gas panic
8- Let’s all make believe
9- Where did it all go wrong
10- Roll it over
Little James, I can see a liar and Sunday morning call would have made excellent b sides.
Then after that I’d probably remove Heathen Chemistry completely and add Stop crying your heart out and The hindu times to Don’t believe the truth.
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Post by glider on Feb 12, 2024 17:40:36 GMT -5
It doesn't get any better than this His voice deteriorated quite a bit between that 99 gig and the end of the SOTSOG tour! Sadly, those short gigs and the album was the last hurrah for his prime voice. |
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 12, 2024 18:13:21 GMT -5
Playing a bit of fantasy this is an alternative SOTSOG track list where you keep the new sonics and add a couple of more anthemic songs that, if I’m not mistaken, were available when the record was recorded: 1- Fucking in the bushes 2- Go let it out 3- Who feels love 4- Put yer money where her mouth is 5- Songbird 6- Little by little 7- Gas panic 8- Let’s all make believe 9- Where did it all go wrong 10- Roll it over Little James, I can see a liar and Sunday morning call would have made excellent b sides. Then after that I’d probably remove Heathen Chemistry completely and add Stop crying your heart out and The hindu times to Don’t believe the truth. "Songbird" is a lovely little tune but I don't think it would fit the atmosphere of Giants.Unlike "Little by Little", I don't think it would suit being shifted into that darker and more modern sound, either. |
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 12, 2024 18:32:00 GMT -5
A more realistic version than my usual fantasy 2002 one, using only available songs:
Standing on the Shoulders of Giants
1. Fuckin' in the Bushes
2. Go Let it Out
3. Who Feels Love?
4. Little by Little
5. Let's All Make Believe
6. Gas Panic!
7. Where Did it All Go Wrong?
8. Sunday Morning Call
9. Full On
10. Idler's Dream
11. Roll it Over
All songs sang by Liam, bar "Idler's Dream".
"Go Let it Out", "Who Feels Love?", "Little by Little", and "Sunday Morning Call" made faster.
"Where Did it All Go Wrong?" more like the demo.
Singles:
#1: Go Let it Out [Revolution Song / Cigarettes in Hell]
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#2: Little by Little [One Way Road / Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is / Teotihuacan]
#3: Where Did it All Go Wrong? [Force of Nature / I Can See a Liar / Carry Us All]
#4: Roll it Over (Edit) / Gas Panic! (Edit) [Little James / Just Getting Older / For One So Young]
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It still doesn't have the juice in terms of radio singles at the end of the day, but it's a good rock album and would have found a good deal more appreciation than the original did, I think.
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