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Post by tiger40 on Feb 10, 2024 13:51:26 GMT -5
The album is all right but the only songs I go back to are Gas Panic, Where Did It All Go Wrong and Roll It Over. The rest I don't bother with unless I'm listening to any live gigs from that era which of course feature Go Let It Out and Who Feels Love.
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Post by hislittleguitar on Feb 10, 2024 17:49:54 GMT -5
The 2000-03-05 Yokohama gig is my favorite (soundboard at least) show from the tour. Liam's voice still fresh; sounds almost like the record on the new songs. I may be incorrect but I believe that the show was also used for some overdubs on Familiar To Millions.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Feb 10, 2024 17:58:43 GMT -5
the SOTSOG era gave us this, theres really nothing more to say
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Post by GlastoEls on Feb 10, 2024 18:05:20 GMT -5
the SOTSOG era gave us this, theres really nothing more to say I so dearly wish this went on the album.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Feb 10, 2024 18:11:07 GMT -5
SOTSOG is my favourite album, yes the albums that came before it have songs that are heads and shoulders above anything on giants, this is the only time the band moved out of thier comfort zone and tried something different, its the ultimate comedown / hangover album when you wake up still fucked off the night before play this and it soothes the soul, my 1st oasis stadium gig was this tour at bolton reebok and i was lucky enough to be at leeds 2000 for " the funeral", the bsides are all brillaint, even the weaker tracks PYMWYMI and ICSAL work , little james is a guilty pleasure cos he wrote that song from the heart and i think we shouldnt dismiss it like poeople do. i just hope next year we get a 25th anniversary release, fuckin love this era
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Post by celestialsunrise03 on Feb 10, 2024 18:12:09 GMT -5
Radio City Hall 2000 is an amazing gig. Vocally, Supersonic sounds very similar to Knebworth 2nd night in parts. That tour feels very fresh instrumentation wise
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Post by celestialsunrise03 on Feb 10, 2024 18:14:42 GMT -5
SOTSOG is my favourite album, yes the albums that came before it have songs that are heads and shoulders above anything on giants, this is the only time the band moved out of thier comfort zone and tried something different, its the ultimate comedown / hangover album when you wake up still fucked off the night before play this and it soothes the soul, my 1st oasis stadium gig was this tour at bolton reebok and i was lucky enough to be at leeds 2000 for " the funeral", the bsides are all brillaint, even the weaker tracks PYMWYMI and ICSAL work , little james is a guilty pleasure cos he wrote that song from the heart and i think we shouldnt dismiss it like poeople do. i just hope next year we get a 25th anniversary release, fuckin love this era A demo and bside deluxe is a no brainer at some stage, a familiar to millions blu ray or reebok stadium or radio city hall release would be a dream.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Feb 10, 2024 18:23:19 GMT -5
the SOTSOG era gave us this, theres really nothing more to say I so dearly wish this went on the album. dont we all mate make a playlist and it does haha
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Feb 10, 2024 18:24:29 GMT -5
SOTSOG is my favourite album, yes the albums that came before it have songs that are heads and shoulders above anything on giants, this is the only time the band moved out of thier comfort zone and tried something different, its the ultimate comedown / hangover album when you wake up still fucked off the night before play this and it soothes the soul, my 1st oasis stadium gig was this tour at bolton reebok and i was lucky enough to be at leeds 2000 for " the funeral", the bsides are all brillaint, even the weaker tracks PYMWYMI and ICSAL work , little james is a guilty pleasure cos he wrote that song from the heart and i think we shouldnt dismiss it like poeople do. i just hope next year we get a 25th anniversary release, fuckin love this era A demo and bside deluxe is a no brainer at some stage, a familiar to millions blu ray or reebok stadium or radio city hall release would be a dream. fingers crossed they do something i'll take anything no matter how big or small
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Post by celestialsunrise03 on Feb 10, 2024 20:08:01 GMT -5
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Post by Beadyβs Here Now on Feb 10, 2024 21:27:31 GMT -5
HC didnβt exist yet. Thatβs pretty positive.
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Post by Lustforlife on Feb 10, 2024 23:19:10 GMT -5
HC didnβt exist yet. Thatβs pretty positive. Cheers to that π
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Post by andymorris on Feb 11, 2024 2:07:06 GMT -5
SOTSOG > HC = WBTM > CS
Same thing really. Noel went backward because of fans reaction.
Although HC is criticized a bit too much. There's some good tunes on there, and the Bsides are better than some album tracks : Idlers Dream, Shout It Out Loud, (You've Got) The Heart of a Star should have been on the record.
Shout It Out Loud Liam sung could have been an anthem.
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Post by GlastoEls on Feb 11, 2024 3:35:52 GMT -5
I so dearly wish this went on the album. dont we all mate make a playlist and it does haha Or buy the Japanese version I guess!
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 11, 2024 4:44:47 GMT -5
The 2000-03-05 Yokohama gig is my favorite (soundboard at least) show from the tour. Liam's voice still fresh; sounds almost like the record on the new songs. I may be incorrect but I believe that the show was also used for some overdubs on Familiar To Millions. Youβre right about the overdubbed vocals This is from the Familiar to millions Wikipedia page: As Liam let the audience sing the choruses of "Wonderwall" and also changed the words to other parts of the song ("By now you should have somehow realised not to sniff glue" / "And all the lights that light the way are doin' me fuckin' 'ead in!") at the 21 July gig, the version on the various audio formats features a different vocal track to the original one recorded at Wembley. This also applies to Noel's backing vocals. Most of these overdubbed vocals were recorded at Oasis' gig at the Yokohama Arena, Kanagawa, Japan on 5 March 2000. Only one line ("I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now") in the first verse is from the actual Wembley gig, as Liam failed to sing this line correctly in the Yokohama performance.
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 11, 2024 4:49:44 GMT -5
Radio City Hall 2000 is an amazing gig. Vocally, Supersonic sounds very similar to Knebworth 2nd night in parts. That tour feels very fresh instrumentation wise 2000-05-01 Radio City Music Hall, NY, USA
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 11, 2024 5:09:50 GMT -5
The show at Maple Leaf Gardens; Toronto, Canada on 29th April 2000 was shown on the internet live as part of a webcast, which was quite a new thing back in 2000. The official oasis website also provided some updates before the show, confirming that during the soundcheck the band, minus Liam, had played a cover of the stone roses I wanna be adored. Iβve not seen this on any bootleg unfortunately.
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Post by Firefly on Feb 11, 2024 7:33:13 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with the era, produced a lot of incredible songs that the 94-98 devotees write off. Honestly thank fuck I'm not in that bubble and not missing out. Moments of brilliance to be found on all the albums. Even HC got some bangers, Hung In A Bad Place, Born On A Different Cloud, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Songbird. Nothing wrong with any of those. Don't Believe The Truth is a solid album, some weaker songs for sure but mostly strong offering. My favourite is DOYS which I loved from the day of release and still listen to regularly. Even the weaker tracks are still pretty good. What I love most about this era is the variety of tunes on offer and Noel experimenting a little bit more with different instruments. I especially love hammond organ sound on SOTSOG. I'm not one of these stuck in the classic rock sound. I'd have ditched Oasis if they'd just stuck to DM sound. Wish Noel had the courage to take them even further sonically.
Edit: sorry misread title thought it was about this era in general, not just SOTSOG. Does this album really need boost in appreciation? Thought it was already widely appreciated by now. It's taken a while but it got there. I'd like to see appreciation for all the albums of 2000s instead of the usual first two.
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Post by shadowplay on Feb 11, 2024 8:27:38 GMT -5
It's funny because one of the things that is almost universally accepted as great about this period was Liam's voice and at the time he came in for quite a lot of criticism over it for sounding different on the album and too shouty and out of tune live. I still think late 94 to early 96 was his best period but this era is a close second in spite of the occasional horrendous gig when he was likely off his head or ill. His vocals in the 99 warm up gigs and very early on in the tour were special.
As for the album it's still a mixed bag for me. The biggest shame is that when Liam sounded this good he only sang on 8 songs and one of them was PYMWYMI. Little James and I can See A Liar are very average and saved by Liam to some extent but they're B side quality by any era's standard. Sunday Morning Call is a bit flat and dour for me and while the rest of the songs on the album are good-great that's only 6 really good songs on the album + LAMB.
The B sides are good though. It's the last era where we got a lot of good B-sides. Looking back I enjoy listening to this era more than any of the other post 99 album cycles. Like SOTSOG they all contain 6 or 7 really great songs (except DBTT which has 2, maybe 3) but SOTSOG shades it for me because of Liam's voice and the depth of B side materal. It does however have have some really low moments on the album and during the tour but I think with hindsight the lows on HC are worse, DBTT doesn't have enough really great songs and DOYS doesn't have any B-sides and was a miserable tour.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 11, 2024 9:16:41 GMT -5
'Fuckin' In The Bushes', 'Go Let It Out', 'Gas Panic!' and 'Where Did It All Go Wrong?' are all really strong and as far as I'm concerned they meet the high expectations set out by their first two records.
Noel successfully updated the bands sound to something far more contemporary. It was even quite ambitious and colourful in places. He successfully fused more modern influences with the band's love of 60's music. 'Fuckin' In The Bushes' has a really bold uses of samples and proved right out the gate that the band some new tricks up its sleeve.
Liam still sounds great.
Spike Stent did a good job with the production. The clarity of the record doesn't take away from the big rock 'n' roll sound the band established themselves with.
I'd argue that the b-sides are the strongest batch outside of those of the band's first two records. There's nothing as strong as 'Going Nowhere' there but I rate them all (except for 'Carry Us All').
Although I'm not a big fan of the cover artwork it unquestionably captures the feeling of the album.
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Post by tiger40 on Feb 11, 2024 14:01:07 GMT -5
'Fuckin' In The Bushes', 'Go Let It Out', 'Gas Panic!' and 'Where Did It All Go Wrong?' are all really strong and as far as I'm concerned they meet the high expectations set out by their first two records. Noel successfully updated the bands sound to something far more contemporary. It was even quite ambitious and colourful in places. He successfully fused more modern influences with the band's love of 60's music. 'Fuckin' In The Bushes' has a really bold uses of samples and proved right out the gate that the band some new tricks up its sleeve. Liam still sounds great. Spike Stent did a good job with the production. The clarity of the record doesn't take away from the big rock 'n' roll sound the band established themselves with. I'd argue that the b-sides are the strongest batch outside of those of the band's first two records. There's nothing as strong as 'Going Nowhere' there but I rate them all (except for 'Carry Us All'). Although I'm not a big fan of the cover artwork it unquestionably captures the feeling of the album. I love Carry Us All and like it so much better than Full On which Liam should've sung on that track.
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Post by tiger40 on Feb 11, 2024 14:03:33 GMT -5
the SOTSOG era gave us this, theres really nothing more to say I so dearly wish this went on the album. Don't we all. It was certainly the best b.side from that era no question.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Feb 11, 2024 15:58:32 GMT -5
I so dearly wish this went on the album. Don't we all. It was certainly the best b.side from that era no question. Agreed. It was very unfortunate that Little James happened at the same time. I'm not criticizing or saying Liam shouldn't have started writing songs. It's good that he started writing and we got Songbird and I'm Outta Time down the road, but there was no room for Let's All Make Believe on the album. That's how I see it anyway. On my playlist I've replaced PYMWYMI and Little James with LAMB and Full On. SOTSOG is their third best album even without changing the tracklist. It's very well produced and mixed. Also, Liam delivers great vocals throughout the album. Negative things from that era: Noel's absence during the tour LAMB not on the album PYMWYMI sounds incomplete and unfinished. Noel got lazy there. Spike Stent didn't continue being their producer in the upcoming albums Overall, it was a bit of strange and dark era and the album probably wasn't that well received by most of the listeners but I loved it and still do. Times had changed and the Brit pop scene had died at that point. SOTSOG showed that Oasis could deliver something at least a bit different than the previous albums. It's a pity they didn't continue experimenting more on HC and DBTT.
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 11, 2024 18:06:11 GMT -5
Don't we all. It was certainly the best b.side from that era no question. Agreed. It was very unfortunate that Little James happened at the same time. I'm not criticizing or saying Liam shouldn't have started writing songs. It's good that he started writing and we got Songbird and I'm Outta Time down the road, but there was no room for Let's All Make Believe on the album. That's how I see it anyway. On my playlist I've replaced PYMWYMI and Little James with LAMB and Full On. SOTSOG is their third best album even without changing the tracklist. It's very well produced and mixed. Also, Liam delivers great vocals throughout the album. Negative things from that era: Noel's absence during the tour LAMB not on the album PYMWYMI sounds incomplete and unfinished. Noel got lazy there. Spike Stent didn't continue being their producer in the upcoming albums Overall, it was a bit of strange and dark era and the album probably wasn't that well received by most of the listeners but I loved it and still do. Times had changed and the Brit pop scene had died at that point. SOTSOG showed that Oasis could deliver something at least a bit different than the previous albums. It's a pity they didn't continue experimenting more on HC and DBTT. I think if little James had been a b side it would have received far less scrutiny and may have been viewed as just Liamβs heartfelt song for his family. I get why they put it on the album, to encourage him to keep writing songs and perhaps financial reasons so Liam got some royalties.
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 11, 2024 18:56:20 GMT -5
Roll it Over is a true forgotten masterpiece.
Even in this thread, it isn't getting the love it deserves.
A tasteful rock ballad that might be the best closer they ever did after Champagne Supernova.
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