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Post by The Invisible Sun on Apr 23, 2024 14:57:59 GMT -5
Reasonable?
The same guy supporting a genocide? The same dude accusing peaceful protestors across the nation of being antisemitic?
The same dude who claims to support a two state solution for Palestine, but the moment the historic measure comes to a vote, the U.S sabotages progress.
The same guy who promised a public option for healthcare and didn't deliver? The guy that didn't codify Roe V Wade and let a rogue supreme court endanger women across the nation (still happening)?
The guy who permitted a wave of anti-trans legislation to be get passed across numerous states with little federal pushback?
The guy who is the head of the party that canceled a primary in my state? (Not a democracy without choice)
The same guy allowing a TikTok BAN to go through (which endangers the youth vote, harming reelection chances)? The same dude who is basically continuing the same immigration policy of Trump? The same guy who isn't addressing the homeless problem, which is the worse it has ever been in this nation? Meanwhile we have 15 million vacant homes in America. More than enough to house 600,000 thousand people.
The guy whose stance on climate change got us this and they tweet this out thinking it's a win?:
When are we going to have the integrity to admit that Biden in 2020 was a mistake? It should have been someone else. Probably Bernie. And Biden will be an even greater mistake in 2024. We need to be pushing for his resignation and replacement. At this point, "Do not come" Kamala would probably do a better job. And that's a low fucking bar.
Not being Trump as the main selling point for reelection isn't good enough. They need to actually represent their voter base and do something. And they don't. They haven't for some time. They are not representative. They are failing voters. They are actively discouraging voter participation with every single day that passes where they don't take substantive action. They can do an emergency vote to secure more billions for Israel and Ukraine at the drop of a hat. But they can't do an emergency vote for any issue that actually counts and substantively helps the working class?
If this is the best democratic politicians can do, democracy is fucked in the U.S. This is the weakest democratic administration in my lifetime.
Most points on your list make sense to me ( not taking obvious exaggerations such as "supporting genocide" into account). I think they are closely aligned to the mainstream opinion of the US electorate as well, except maybe on the homeless problem and the Tiktok ban. However, if he actually manages to ban Tiktok in the US it would be an act of heroism that I did not expect of the guy! I hope our European leaders will be able show the same clarity on the issue. Not an exaggeration. Not remotely.
It's being broadcast daily for all to see. It's genocide. It's ethnic cleansing. It's apartheid. And it's occupation. And it's being funded with American tax dollars and American political support. American citizens on the other hand, are much less supportive.
Why would it be an act of heroism to ban TikTok?
Not only is this a direct violation of free speech constitutioncenter.org/blog/a-national-tiktok-ban-and-the-first-amendment, and it's been stopped before under Trump, it also affects peoples wallets, including my own. Banning TikTok suppresses dissent towards national and international politics that is currently being shared on the app (likely reason for ban) and it impoverishes American creators who have spent years building an audience on the app, in part out of necessity because of low and stagnating wages and increased inflation across the nation.
Even if you don't find those points convincing or concerning, considering the fact that in 2020, Joe Biden was notably aided in the election by young voters, a base that is now larger in 2024, banning their favorite app in addition to the solid support for Israel's Gaza Genocide which they are currently mass protesting, is a recipe for disaster come November. www.cnbc.com/2020/11/18/the-2020-election-shows-gen-zs-voting-power-for-years-to-come.html
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 24, 2024 12:34:53 GMT -5
Neither Biden or Trump are good for our climate, however I don't think that Biden is as bad as Trump on most other things though. Trump is a looney but at least Biden isn't.
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Post by globe on Apr 25, 2024 4:24:45 GMT -5
Trump will make America great again So just to confirm, prior to 2016, America was not a great country. But then between 2016 and 2020, it was a great country. Then since 2020 its back to no longer being a great country. But if Trump wins in 2024 it goes back to being a great country again? And in 2028 when Trump leaves office (assuming he doesn't try to turn the USA into a dictatorship in those 4 years and destroy 200+ years of democracy of course), it will go back to no longer being a great country, right? |
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 25, 2024 4:59:41 GMT -5
Neither Biden or Trump are good for our climate, however I don't think that Biden is as bad as Trump on most other things though. Trump is a looney but at least Biden isn't. You're right, but one clear fact is that - over time - Biden is closer to Trump than he is to where we actually need to be:  I do think people should vote for Biden, overall. But it's clear that electoral politics alone is not nearly enough. |
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Post by Lundblad on Apr 25, 2024 6:20:10 GMT -5
Most points on your list make sense to me ( not taking obvious exaggerations such as "supporting genocide" into account). I think they are closely aligned to the mainstream opinion of the US electorate as well, except maybe on the homeless problem and the Tiktok ban. However, if he actually manages to ban Tiktok in the US it would be an act of heroism that I did not expect of the guy! I hope our European leaders will be able show the same clarity on the issue. Not an exaggeration. Not remotely.
It's being broadcast daily for all to see. It's genocide. It's ethnic cleansing. It's apartheid. And it's occupation. And it's being funded with American tax dollars and American political support. American citizens on the other hand, are much less supportive. Why would it be an act of heroism to ban TikTok? Not only is this a direct violation of free speech constitutioncenter.org/blog/a-national-tiktok-ban-and-the-first-amendment, and it's been stopped before under Trump, it also affects peoples wallets, including my own. Banning TikTok suppresses dissent towards national and international politics that is currently being shared on the app (likely reason for ban) and it impoverishes American creators who have spent years building an audience on the app, in part out of necessity because of low and stagnating wages and increased inflation across the nation. Even if you don't find those points convincing or concerning, considering the fact that in 2020, Joe Biden was notably aided in the election by young voters, a base that is now larger in 2024, banning their favorite app in addition to the solid support for Israel's Gaza Genocide which they are currently mass protesting, is a recipe for disaster come November. www.cnbc.com/2020/11/18/the-2020-election-shows-gen-zs-voting-power-for-years-to-come.htmlTiktok is essentially controlled by the Chinese government. This is problematic both from a user data/privacy perspective and a propaganda perspective. Tiktok is a social medium where anti-Western desinformation, from Russian, Chinese and Middle Eastern sources, flourish. It is especially dangerous since its audience is so young. And then you have the more general problem that social media fucks up young people's brains with the never-ending dopamine shots. I read that Florida introduced a social media ban for kids younger than 14. You are probably right that it is not electorally clever in the short term, though. It sounds reasonable that it may hurt Biden in the election. It is also interesting that Trump has changed his mind on Tiktok (as far as I understand). But maybe understandable since he is largely dependant on desinformation and is actively promoting pro-Kremlin narratives. |
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Post by settingson on Apr 25, 2024 6:35:18 GMT -5
When I was a lad, it was USA doing the innovating and China/USSR doing the blocking.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Apr 25, 2024 10:10:48 GMT -5
Not an exaggeration. Not remotely.
It's being broadcast daily for all to see. It's genocide. It's ethnic cleansing. It's apartheid. And it's occupation. And it's being funded with American tax dollars and American political support. American citizens on the other hand, are much less supportive. Why would it be an act of heroism to ban TikTok? Not only is this a direct violation of free speech constitutioncenter.org/blog/a-national-tiktok-ban-and-the-first-amendment, and it's been stopped before under Trump, it also affects peoples wallets, including my own. Banning TikTok suppresses dissent towards national and international politics that is currently being shared on the app (likely reason for ban) and it impoverishes American creators who have spent years building an audience on the app, in part out of necessity because of low and stagnating wages and increased inflation across the nation. Even if you don't find those points convincing or concerning, considering the fact that in 2020, Joe Biden was notably aided in the election by young voters, a base that is now larger in 2024, banning their favorite app in addition to the solid support for Israel's Gaza Genocide which they are currently mass protesting, is a recipe for disaster come November. www.cnbc.com/2020/11/18/the-2020-election-shows-gen-zs-voting-power-for-years-to-come.htmlTiktok is essentially controlled by the Chinese government. This is problematic both from a user data/privacy perspective and a propaganda perspective. Tiktok is a social medium where anti-Western desinformation, from Russian, Chinese and Middle Eastern sources, flourish. It is especially dangerous since its audience is so young. And then you have the more general problem that social media fucks up young people's brains with the never-ending dopamine shots. I read that Florida introduced a social media ban for kids younger than 14. You are probably right that it is not electorally clever in the short term, though. It sounds reasonable that it may hurt Biden in the election. It is also interesting that Trump has changed his mind on Tiktok (as far as I understand). But maybe understandable since he is largely dependant on desinformation and is actively promoting pro-Kremlin narratives. So pass privacy laws ...You think only Chinese apps violate your privacy? Don't ban the app. Ban the policies that allow for spying. And pass it across the board for ALL these social media apps. If it's not okay for China, it's not okay for Meta or X and so on ...
Misinformation can be passed around everywhere on the internet. Ban the internet?
There's also good info on TikTok. I'm one of the rare folks putting out educational info. I started doing it because I was unhappy with the brain-dead content the app is best known for. I wanted to pepper in content with actual value. Your support for a ban, takes away part of my livelihood. Why support attacking my wallet?
You are hitting the nail on the head however. Tiktok is threatening mainstream media. Young people almost exclusively use TikTok to get the news. And some of the largest trending news circulating on TikTok this very moment is everything related to the Israeli genocide of Gaza and the protests erupting around the world. Biden, being a self declared Zionist and someone who is clearly willing to ignore the murder of over 15,000 children and 37,000 innocent civilians, is threatened by Tiktok. This ban of course also benefits conservative politicians. And democrats controlled by AIPAC.
Because unlike mainstream media, you're actually getting real and better coverage of the atrocities from the more independent sources. The mainstream media is heavily biased towards one side and is censoring information as Mehdi Hasan brilliantly demonstrates:
But of course, when there's news of a new mass grave found, with evidence of children bound, tortured and executed, that's going to be super embarrassing for the current administration. So of course, try to shut that shit down. So you don't look like the villain when you send billions of dollars worth of more weapons and missiles to the people responsible for doing the crimes so that they can continue to murder more innocent people. Not a good look. And that's why they are banning TikTok, let's be honest.
At least this jackass has the honesty to say the quiet part out loud at 00:24
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 25, 2024 12:27:54 GMT -5
Neither Biden or Trump are good for our climate, however I don't think that Biden is as bad as Trump on most other things though. Trump is a looney but at least Biden isn't. You're right, but one clear fact is that - over time - Biden is closer to Trump than he is to where we actually need to be: I do think people should vote for Biden, overall. But it's clear that electoral politics alone is not nearly enough. Yeah, Biden is probably closer to Trump but I agree with you that people should vote for Biden. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Apr 25, 2024 16:48:57 GMT -5
They banned TikTok. But they can't ban or limit firearms. Anybody else noticing these priorities are totally unhinged?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Apr 25, 2024 16:52:49 GMT -5
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Apr 25, 2024 20:37:24 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 28, 2024 13:46:26 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That latest CNN poll also has Trump leading Biden by 6 (49% to 43%), Trump’s largest lead in the history of CNN polls dating back to 2016. For non US members on here - Biden isn’t liked very much over here.  |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Apr 28, 2024 16:08:11 GMT -5
Gonna be 2016 all over again because our elected prez decided to simp for Netanyahu and his genocide over representing the wishes of the majority of American voters.
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Post by globe on May 1, 2024 5:01:00 GMT -5
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Post by Willie T. Soke on May 1, 2024 7:35:30 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That latest CNN poll also has Trump leading Biden by 6 (49% to 43%), Trump’s largest lead in the history of CNN polls dating back to 2016. For non US members on here - Biden isn’t liked very much over here.To be fair, Trump isn’t liked very much either…..it’s like do you want punched in the face or the stomach. God bless. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 1, 2024 9:14:37 GMT -5
No one actually votes for Joe Biden, but rather vote anti-Trump.
And the anti-Trump vote in 2024 is not anywhere near as strong as it was in 2020.
Further, there is now a significant anti-Biden voter demographic.
Ergo, Joe Biden can’t win in November.
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Post by Willie T. Soke on May 1, 2024 9:21:57 GMT -5
No one actually votes for Joe Biden, but rather vote anti-Trump. And the anti-Trump vote in 2024 is not anywhere near as strong as it was in 2020. Further, there is now a significant anti-Biden voter demographic. Ergo, Joe Biden can’t win in November. Trump can do no wrong in the eyes of Trump supporters; democratic voters seem to have standards and higher I.Q.’s than a garden hose. So yes, Trump might win in November…. God bless. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 1, 2024 9:27:53 GMT -5
I'm seriously considering moving if Trump wins. I hear Uruguay is nice and cheaper than the U.S.
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Post by mimmihopps on May 1, 2024 10:51:15 GMT -5
No one actually votes for Joe Biden, but rather vote anti-Trump. And the anti-Trump vote in 2024 is not anywhere near as strong as it was in 2020. Further, there is now a significant anti-Biden voter demographic. Ergo, Joe Biden can’t win in November. So would you be still living in the “great” USA if Trump wins or rather Tory UK? It won’t makes much difference to you, I suppose. |
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Post by jeffrey on May 1, 2024 15:14:20 GMT -5
No one actually votes for Joe Biden, but rather vote anti-Trump. And the anti-Trump vote in 2024 is not anywhere near as strong as it was in 2020. Further, there is now a significant anti-Biden voter demographic. Ergo, Joe Biden can’t win in November. Trump can do no wrong in the eyes of Trump supporters; democratic voters seem to have standards and higher I.Q.’s than a garden hose. So yes, Trump might win in November…. God bless. Not a Trumper and won’t vote for him, but those voting for Biden are also obviously completely devoid of standards. If someone resides in the U.S. and genuinely think things are better now than 5-6 years ago, they’re likely brain-dead. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 1, 2024 17:25:35 GMT -5
Trump can do no wrong in the eyes of Trump supporters; democratic voters seem to have standards and higher I.Q.’s than a garden hose. So yes, Trump might win in November…. God bless. Not a Trumper and won’t vote for him, but those voting for Biden are also obviously completely devoid of standards. If someone resides in the U.S. and genuinely think things are better now than 5-6 years ago, they’re likely brain-dead. That's the thing though, this decline is nothing new. it's been happening steadily since 1968. The problem is the system. The problem is corruption in politics. Neoliberalism and neoconservatism. The bulk of "representatives" on both sides now fit neatly within those two categories, a few politicians aside. And they are not your friends. Not your allies. We are cattle in their eyes. Product to exploit. They deliver wealth into the hands of the few, at the expense of lower and middle class.
The solution to this problem that has been draining Americans dry since the late 60s isn't something American's seem ready to hear. Too much division. (Which is probably the point). Distract Americans from the problems the wealth class imposes on everyone and make sure to force the blame onto political opponents for all the misery we suffer. Americans, liberal and conservative gobble this shit up.
Every election is always the most important election of our lifetime. And even when your favorite guy wins, we still lose in the end.
What we need is unity. We need people to realize they've been led around by a carrot on a stick for decades and nothing has really improved, unless you're part of the wealth class.
Whether you're liberal or conservative, you're being fucked by the government in the same way. We have to end the division between parties and unite together against the corporate heads stealing the wealth of the lower and middle class. Or we will suffer the next collapse of "Rome" or end up in a civil war. Perhaps both.
FDR had the right idea when he pushed the second bill of rights. This idea needs to resurface and be adopted by the people. Because right now, for many it is absolutely necessary just to survive. Truman and democrats afterwards killed FDR's dream for America. And with it, set us on a terrible course. Reagan especially accelerated the decline. And now we are at the point where people have to work 2-3 minimum wage jobs just to afford rent at a shitty apartment or have to deal with a handful of roommates.
The American dream is dead. And something not so terribly different from feudalism is making a comeback. Especially with all of these corporations that snatched up the housing post 2008.
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Post by jeffrey on May 1, 2024 20:53:23 GMT -5
Not a Trumper and won’t vote for him, but those voting for Biden are also obviously completely devoid of standards. If someone resides in the U.S. and genuinely think things are better now than 5-6 years ago, they’re likely brain-dead. That's the thing though, this decline is nothing new. it's been happening steadily since 1968. The problem is the system. The problem is corruption in politics. Neoliberalism and neoconservatism. The bulk of "representatives" on both sides now fit neatly within those two categories, a few politicians aside. And they are not your friends. Not your allies. We are cattle in their eyes. Product to exploit. They deliver wealth into the hands of the few, at the expense of lower and middle class. The solution to this problem that has been draining Americans dry since the late 60s isn't something American's seem ready to hear. Too much division. (Which is probably the point). Distract Americans from the problems the wealth class imposes on everyone and make sure to force the blame onto political opponents for all the misery we suffer. Americans, liberal and conservative gobble this shit up.
Every election is always the most important election of our lifetime. And even when your favorite guy wins, we still lose in the end.
What we need is unity. We need people to realize they've been led around by a carrot on a stick for decades and nothing has really improved, unless you're part of the wealth class.
Whether you're liberal or conservative, you're being fucked by the government in the same way. We have to end the division between parties and unite together against the corporate heads stealing the wealth of the lower and middle class. Or we will suffer the next collapse of "Rome" or end up in a civil war. Perhaps both. FDR had the right idea when he pushed the second bill of rights. This idea needs to resurface and be adopted by the people. Because right now, for many it is absolutely necessary just to survive. Truman and democrats afterwards killed FDR's dream for America. And with it, set us on a terrible course. Reagan especially accelerated the decline. And now we are at the point where people have to work 2-3 minimum wage jobs just to afford rent at a shitty apartment or have to deal with a handful of roommates. The American dream is dead. And something not so terribly different from feudalism is making a comeback. Especially with all of these corporations that snatched up the housing post 2008.
I whole-heartedly agree with every paragraph of your post. |
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on May 2, 2024 0:03:03 GMT -5
Hmm......
Is Trump aware it would blow out the budget again?
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on May 2, 2024 0:05:10 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That latest CNN poll also has Trump leading Biden by 6 (49% to 43%), Trump’s largest lead in the history of CNN polls dating back to 2016. For non US members on here - Biden isn’t liked very much over here. So Dementia bankrupt Donald is better. He's fucking you around, son |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 2, 2024 9:16:36 GMT -5
No one actually votes for Joe Biden, but rather vote anti-Trump. And the anti-Trump vote in 2024 is not anywhere near as strong as it was in 2020. Further, there is now a significant anti-Biden voter demographic. Ergo, Joe Biden can’t win in November. Why would anyone vote for Trump? What are his good policies? |
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