For the millionth time, it’s horrific for the Ukrainian people. I’ve never said it isn’t and I 100% sympathise with them. Not the leadership though. The trouble is with your “why don’t you think Ukraine should be allowed to defend itself against such murderous aggression?” its simply, it isn’t just Ukraine fighting Russia is it? They are being supplied with weapons/tanks etc from the likes of America/UK. And this has got massively out of hand last week with the 12 UK long range missiles given to Ukraine to use against Russia (and many argue it would’ve been the UK that set these missiles off as obviously it’s their missiles). Do you not see how catastrophic that is? Imagine Russia supplying Cuba with 12 long range missiles to fire at America?

Whatever your thoughts on whether Russia invaded Ukraine without reason or because of NATO expanding eastwards, I’m struggling to see how anyone cannot see how dangerous us arming Ukraine is. Are you still happy to “defend” Ukraine if it means we all die in WW3?

And I think you’re being very naive if you think Putin is bluffing this time. Yes it would also mean death to Russia but I think Putin would rather that instead of death to his regime with America/Britain still standing

Sorry, I missed this post before replying to your other post.

But apart from what I said there:

It is more dangerous not to arm Ukraine.
a) For the Ukrainian people, who will again be slaughtered and oppressed by Russia, for the xth time in their history.
And
b) For the rest of Europe, because history shows that this Russian regime will not stop there. They will keep trying to undermine democratic states in Eastern and Northern Europe, and if they are allowed to swallow Ukraine, they will be encouraged to do the same with, for example, the Baltic states or Poland. The rest of Europe, as well as the US, will be sucked into such a conflict. If we let Ukraine fall, it will just take more time and more people will die.

Things doesn't get out of hand because Western countries let Ukraine fight back without having their hands tied behind their back.
Things got out of hand in 2022, when Putin launched the full-scale invasion.
Things got out of hand when he carped bombed Mariupol and it got out of hand when he massacred and raped his way through Bucha.
Things got out of hand when he sent Chechnyan terrorists to slaughter Ukrainian civilians and it got of hand when he fooled his own young men into becoming cannon fodder in Ukraine.
Things got out of hand when he sent thousands of North Korean soldiers into Ukraine.
Things got out of hand in 2014 when he invaded Crimea.
Things got out of hand in 2008 when he attacked Georgia.
Things got out of hand when he poisoned his own critics in the UK.
Things got out of hand when Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was show down.
Things got out of hand when he tried installing a dictatorship in Kyiv.

and what mistakes would they be?

Yep, a circus full of convicted criminals can't start early enough for you and your colleagues.

Never been on Twitter/X, Facebook. Everyone bangs on about Russian propaganda/bots infiltrating western social media/ elections but how many times have U.S/CIA overthrown democratically elected governments? Chile for example supporting Pinochets cou. What about the insane censorship from Google who own YouTube? You say anything about certain western powers that be and you’re instantly shadow banned. No swearing etc but mention any of the key words and you’re off, silenced🤐2 wrongs don’t make a right but The hypocrisy is startling! Why don’t you call out the propaganda from both sides? It’s basically ok for America to do what they want but as soon as rival nations do the same it’s “evil”. I don’t even deny there isn’t Russian propaganda sweeping its way through the internet but it’s the same and more from western powers that be. When do we ever hear of our own media being a mouthpiece for the elite that rule the west? ]
And what if Russian is speaking more truth than America? EG about NATO expansion to the east. You ever thought of that scenario? After all it’s America that has military bases in over 100 countries around the world. It’s America encircling Russia. How many military bases has Russia got around the world? For the record, I don’t doubt for a second Russia’s leadership being corrupt and worse but maybe have a think about the information you consume. I’m sick of the naive “America/UK good, Russia/China bad” rhetoric. What about the theory that they are all “bad” and we are being played?

And I know Ukraine isn’t part of NATO but let’s not kid ourselves. They are being supported by NATO massively.

I don’t deny Russia has invaded Ukraine. The question is WHY did they invade Ukraine?

I’m surprised this 7 min video is still on YT but to hear Putin’s version of events (that you never here on western MSM) put in “Sky News Putin interview” from years back BEFORE Russia invaded Ukraine (and he was saying this much earlier too). It’s 7.48 seconds long and it has a blonde reporter on the left of the thumbnail. I wish I knew how to put YT vids on here🤦🏻‍♂️ I’d appreciate it if anyone knows how can put it on here👍

I’m not saying those who disagreed with me on this thread will suddenly change their mind once they’ve watched the video but it at least gives Putin’s side rather than the BS we’ve been fed over the years.

Does this mean I justify the invasion? No it doesn’t. I’ll NEVER be ok with innocent people dying but at least it adds context to the war.

Every post of yours makes me think you're a Trump Rule 34 fan... now if you don't know what that means, let me just warn you that your search will be NSFW.

But you're such a sycophant, it's simply pathetic. Don't you have pride? Or a spine? You know he doesn't give a flying fuck about you right? Why give him so much praise and love? Why are you sucking up to him so much? What do you think you'll get out of that? Especially since you're not even american.

This level of fanatism is nearing mental illness... Or maybe you're just trolling... man I hope you're just trolling... if not, you need help mate...