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Post by globe on Oct 3, 2022 13:10:44 GMT -5
Do I think the media and government lie to people? I mean are you asking me if a government or a member of the media has ever lied. IN the history of the existence of the planet? Yes. Do I share your views on the covid vaccine re its effects on particular groups of people? i.e. this absolute belter of a statement Absolutely not. I think you are a lunatic if you honestly believe that. ? Or that they didn’t provide data that conflicted with their narrative? And when it comes to government/media lies, it happens daily. Do you think the US and its allies were forthcoming about killing millions of innocent people, tens of thousands of their own soldiers or refusing to provide soldiers with necessary services upon returning from numerous wars that were based on COMPLETELY false info peddled to the public? I also work in the legal field in the US and regularly see evidence being fabricated, hidden and STRONG biases impacting peoples’ freedom. Just a couple of examples, but could continue for days. It’s fine if you won’t consider info that doesn’t align with your beliefs, but your statements of “utter bullshit” or “lunatic” don’t strengthen your argument. Look into the info that’s been pushed and I guarantee you’ll find inconsistencies. It would depend on what you define as corroborated. Who corroborated it? Of course governments cover things up/lie, however I don't think NHS doctors and nurses would somehow be involved in some sort of massive lie/cover up/conspiracy re covid, that sort of chat is simply bat-shit crazy to me. |
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Post by jeffrey on Oct 3, 2022 13:57:50 GMT -5
Would you believe it if I posted links that corroborated natural immunity is at least as effective as the shot/jab? Or that they didn’t provide data that conflicted with their narrative? And when it comes to government/media lies, it happens daily. Do you think the US and its allies were forthcoming about killing millions of innocent people, tens of thousands of their own soldiers or refusing to provide soldiers with necessary services upon returning from numerous wars that were based on COMPLETELY false info peddled to the public? I also work in the legal field in the US and regularly see evidence being fabricated, hidden and STRONG biases impacting peoples’ freedom. Just a couple of examples, but could continue for days. It’s fine if you won’t consider info that doesn’t align with your beliefs, but your statements of “utter bullshit” or “lunatic” don’t strengthen your argument. Look into the info that’s been pushed and I guarantee you’ll find inconsistencies. It would depend on what you define as corroborated. Who corroborated it? Of course governments cover things up/lie, however I don't think NHS doctors and nurses would somehow be involved in some sort of massive lie/cover up/conspiracy re covid, that sort of chat is simply bat-shit crazy to me. I never mentioned doctors/nurses, by the way. However, would you agree that most people are influenced by monetary gains/power? Pharmaceutical companies in the US pay doctors to prescribe their products and they also fund somewhere around 75% of public news organizations’ adverts, which, at minimum, is a conflict of interest. I didn’t say these shots/jabs were useless, but the way they were sold to the public was a lie (we were told we could not contract the virus if “vaxxed” initially). And for people to lose their jobs, be vilified and described as lunatics or portrayed as radical political supporters because they don’t trust grossly untrustworthy sources is an enormous issue that will have consequences in the future. One doesn’t have to be crazy or fanatical to have a distrust of government or media. If you pay attention and have an inquisitive mind, there’s a ton of stuff to question. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 3, 2022 15:14:21 GMT -5
This thread is officially sadder than anything Ian Brown could possibly ever do.
It really ought to be locked. For one thing it has been fully off-topic for pages. And now it is just a seething den of rank misinformation and anecdotal “I know someone” stories (wait until you or someone close to you has cancer…everyone knows someone who was cured by say, a coffee enema, yet funny how these people never materialize in medical journals, which you might want to see before you start grinding the beans.)
Speaking of which, no one here felt the need to debate the particulars of Bonehead’s medical treatment. Why? Because someone you cared about was sick and you trusted in medical science to do its best to help him. Not to necessarily save him, or to keep him from suffering some harm, because we know it doesn't work like that, but to do its best. It was a disease he suffered from, not a political construct.
It’s too late for Covid-19. It was fully politicized early on and will never get out from that. But the danger is in what lies ahead. Deeply complex diseases should go back to being diseases, not fodder for discussion on rock band forums.
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Post by jeffrey on Oct 3, 2022 15:26:44 GMT -5
This thread is officially sadder than anything Ian Brown could possibly ever do. Ummm, definitely not. People discussing things (even if someone thinks it’s truly the most insane thing they’ve ever read) doesn’t compare to the heinous acts humans are capable of… |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 3, 2022 15:34:57 GMT -5
This thread is officially sadder than anything Ian Brown could possibly ever do. Ummm, definitely not. People discussing things (even if someone thinks it’s truly the most insane thing they’ve ever read) doesn’t compare to the heinous acts humans are capable of…
Discuss it in the Covid-19 forum then.
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Post by jeffrey on Oct 3, 2022 15:55:00 GMT -5
Ummm, definitely not. People discussing things (even if someone thinks it’s truly the most insane thing they’ve ever read) doesn’t compare to the heinous acts humans are capable of… Discuss it in the Covid-19 forum then.
Did someone in this thread mention Covid to denigrate Ian due to his stance on it prior to my comments? If so, I’d venture to say the comments are relevant to the topic. FYI, you don’t get to tell people what to do and where to post. The mods can move or lock the content if they choose to; it’s usually an arbitrary decision when they do so but leave it to them. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 3, 2022 16:06:21 GMT -5
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