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Post by girllikeabomb on May 3, 2021 15:24:43 GMT -5
Yeah I want the music and/or the video too. I could care less about the documentary. Small anecdote: A few years back I had a friend who is a casual fan watch the Supersonic documentary with me and then the footage from Manchester 2005. At the end of Manchester 2005 I asked which was better. The friend said Manchester 2005 was better and way more entertaining than the Supersonic documentary. This isn't definitive proof of anything but it does show that the casual fan might still find footage of the actual shows more appealing than a documentary. I think whether or not someone was there could play a role in that too. Sounds like a real cool experience for your friend. But that said, what one person finds best is often quite different from what sells. The highest grossing live concert doc OF ALL TIME is ... yes, "Justin Bieber: Never Say Never" (which was itself a mix of live and documentary footage, not just one show), so make of that what you will. Anyway, these remain two separate decisions: to make (or revisit) a doc and to release the album. One doesn't stop the other. But, there are lots of other things that go into these decisions, from timing to quality to permissions. |
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Post by oasisgoletitout on May 3, 2021 23:31:45 GMT -5
Yeah I want the music and/or the video too. I could care less about the documentary. Small anecdote: A few years back I had a friend who is a casual fan watch the Supersonic documentary with me and then the footage from Manchester 2005. At the end of Manchester 2005 I asked which was better. The friend said Manchester 2005 was better and way more entertaining than the Supersonic documentary. This isn't definitive proof of anything but it does show that the casual fan might still find footage of the actual shows more appealing than a documentary. I think whether or not someone was there could play a role in that too. Sounds like a real cool experience for your friend. But that said, what one person finds best is often quite different from what sells. The highest grossing live concert doc OF ALL TIME is ... yes, "Justin Bieber: Never Say Never" (which was itself a mix of live and documentary footage, not just one show), so make of that what you will. Anyway, these remain two separate decisions: to make (or revisit) a doc and to release the album. One doesn't stop the other. But, there are lots of other things that go into these decisions, from timing to quality to permissions. At the time I was more of a casual fan too. It was a real cool experience for the both of us. |
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on May 5, 2021 8:36:51 GMT -5
I know the big fans like us lot would buy the documentary, but what casual (even if they went to the gig) would buy it? I don't think that many. But I think they would buy the actual gig Hopefully released in 4K (if that's possible) They filmed knebworth 2 nights on 35mm film and 8mm film. so they can release them in 4K-6K? I think |
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Post by tiger40 on May 5, 2021 12:46:37 GMT -5
Well let's hope so but we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 5, 2021 13:52:50 GMT -5
I know the big fans like us lot would buy the documentary, but what casual (even if they went to the gig) would buy it? I don't think that many. But I think they would buy the actual gig Hopefully released in 4K (if that's possible) They filmed knebworth 2 nights on 35mm film and 8mm film. so they can release them in 4K-6K? I think I think with 35mm you can go to 8k or possibly more. It will depend on iso and processing and stuff. I’d be surprised if we got a 4K release though. The gigs were done in HD at some point before Stop the Clock I believe. I doubt they’ll have spent more money on another restoration to get a 4K print. |
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on May 5, 2021 14:51:19 GMT -5
They filmed knebworth 2 nights on 35mm film and 8mm film. so they can release them in 4K-6K? I think I think with 35mm you can go to 8k or possibly more. It will depend on iso and processing and stuff. I’d be surprised if we got a 4K release though. The gigs were done in HD at some point before Stop the Clock I believe. I doubt they’ll have spent more money on another restoration to get a 4K print. It seems they had planned release on cinema before covid, If so they have to re-scan 35mm films in 4K. HD video on cinema?, no way. and They allowed to use knebworth footage for Live Forever doc in 2004. Noel had talked about Knebworth unreleased doc in 1990s, It called Operation Gold, If it's same as recently mentioned, perhaps it was edited in films. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 5, 2021 17:25:52 GMT -5
I think with 35mm you can go to 8k or possibly more. It will depend on iso and processing and stuff. I’d be surprised if we got a 4K release though. The gigs were done in HD at some point before Stop the Clock I believe. I doubt they’ll have spent more money on another restoration to get a 4K print. It seems they had planned release on cinema before covid, If so they have to re-scan 35mm films in 4K. HD video on cinema?, no way. Can you clarify this bit, I don’t follow you. But a cinema release doesn’t mean a 4K master exists. Maybe it was done it 4K in the early 90s but I’d be surprised as motion pictures were only being mastered in 2k at the time (Lord of the Rings, Star Wars Prequels etc.). A 2k release or a 35mm release would be the most likely. Or maybe they’ve subsequently done a 4K master but I believe that’s expensive and I’m not sure it would be worth the expense for what is a niche release in the grand scheme of things. |
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on May 5, 2021 18:03:42 GMT -5
It seems they had planned release on cinema before covid, If so they have to re-scan 35mm films in 4K. HD video on cinema?, no way. Can you clarify this bit, I don’t follow you. But a cinema release doesn’t mean a 4K master exists. Maybe it was done it 4K in the early 90s but I’d be surprised as motion pictures were only being mastered in 2k at the time (Lord of the Rings, Star Wars Prequels etc.). A 2k release or a 35mm release would be the most likely. Or maybe they’ve subsequently done a 4K master but I believe that’s expensive and I’m not sure it would be worth the expense for what is a niche release in the grand scheme of things. The Who had uploaded 4K videos from The Kids Are Alright, they don't seem to release on 4KUHD Blu-ray or Cinema. I was surprised the who management did re-scan films. about Star Wars, there is fan-made 4K release from films that used on cinema, Not AI upscale. and I hope Oasis Management rescan all videos that filmed on 16mm, 35mm in 4K.. before it's too late. |
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Post by bt95 on May 9, 2021 4:55:58 GMT -5
Honestly reckon it'll just be the entire gig - maybe minus My Big Mouth and It's Gettin' Better (Man), cos Noel gonna Noel – with some archive footage from the weekend and talking heads etc over it.
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 9, 2021 22:48:18 GMT -5
It seems they had planned release on cinema before covid, If so they have to re-scan 35mm films in 4K. HD video on cinema?, no way. Can you clarify this bit, I don’t follow you. But a cinema release doesn’t mean a 4K master exists. Maybe it was done it 4K in the early 90s but I’d be surprised as motion pictures were only being mastered in 2k at the time (Lord of the Rings, Star Wars Prequels etc.). A 2k release or a 35mm release would be the most likely. Or maybe they’ve subsequently done a 4K master but I believe that’s expensive and I’m not sure it would be worth the expense for what is a niche release in the grand scheme of things. Hahaha, definitely no 4K in the 90s. Digital image processing really didn’t even exist. A lot has changed in 25 years. Still not clear, though, if they are simply cleaning up and color correcting what was made at the time or if someone (whether Dick Carruthers or someone else) is having a go at cutting something new, so those would be two different things. Noel sounded pretty off-hands about it on the radio (“I’ve seen a brief trailer”). Whatever it will be, there should be news soon. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 10, 2021 3:28:01 GMT -5
Can you clarify this bit, I don’t follow you. But a cinema release doesn’t mean a 4K master exists. Maybe it was done it 4K in the early 90s but I’d be surprised as motion pictures were only being mastered in 2k at the time (Lord of the Rings, Star Wars Prequels etc.). A 2k release or a 35mm release would be the most likely. Or maybe they’ve subsequently done a 4K master but I believe that’s expensive and I’m not sure it would be worth the expense for what is a niche release in the grand scheme of things. Hahaha, definitely no 4K in the 90s. Digital image processing really didn’t even exist. A lot has changed in 25 years. Still not clear, though, if they are simply cleaning up and color correcting what was made at the time or if someone (whether Dick Carruthers or someone else) is having a go at cutting something new, so those would be two different things. Noel sounded pretty off-hands about it on the radio (“I’ve seen a brief trailer”). Whatever it will be, there should be news soon. It wouldn’t have been mastered in 4K in the 90s but if it was filmed on 35mm film than it is possible to make a 4K print of the film. I doubt they will though. It’ll be a standard 2k BluRay |
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 10, 2021 3:56:38 GMT -5
Hahaha, definitely no 4K in the 90s. Digital image processing really didn’t even exist. A lot has changed in 25 years. Still not clear, though, if they are simply cleaning up and color correcting what was made at the time or if someone (whether Dick Carruthers or someone else) is having a go at cutting something new, so those would be two different things. Noel sounded pretty off-hands about it on the radio (“I’ve seen a brief trailer”). Whatever it will be, there should be news soon. It wouldn’t have been mastered in 4K in the 90s but if it was filmed on 35mm film than it is possible to make a 4K print of the film. I doubt they will though. It’ll be a standard 2k BluRay Has already been said I think in various places that Carruthers and his crew used a mix of 35mm and what was then the most versatile film format, Super-8. Most celluloid film (unless really poor quality) can be scanned to 4K. The master and the medium, though, are not necessarily the same. In other words, even if you restore a film to a 4K master, you might still release the film on 2K Blu-Ray (for various reasons.) Anyway, what they are doing exactly depends on what it is ... wouldn't guess without knowing more! |
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Post by walterglass on May 10, 2021 4:37:35 GMT -5
All this talk of definition.
I can remember renting Bruce Lee videos to watch on a borrowed VHS Toploader.
I ate that shit up.
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Post by welshylad on May 10, 2021 7:00:56 GMT -5
Yeh but if your gonna wait 25 years to release a gig, do it in the best quality you can.
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Post by tiger40 on May 10, 2021 12:49:15 GMT -5
Yeh but if your gonna wait 25 years to release a gig, do it in the best quality you can. My thoughts exactly. I mean surely they can do something and release one of the gigs in higher quality especially with all the technology we have these days. However that said I understand if they can't release it in blue ray . |
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Post by GlastoEls on May 10, 2021 13:13:00 GMT -5
They’ve got this on 35mm.
If they don’t do a 4K master it’s a crime! (no pun intended).
Especially with Maine Road and Earls Court stranded forever in SD (being filmed on video).
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 10, 2021 19:17:49 GMT -5
All this talk of definition. I can remember renting Bruce Lee videos to watch on a borrowed VHS Toploader. I ate that shit up. When I was growing up my father felt that color TV emitted too much radiation so we only ever had a tiny black & white set. Might even be why I fell in love with the movies. But that doesn't stop me from getting my breath taken away watching a pristine new print shot in 70mm projected in a state-of-the-art screening room. Absolute goosebumps. I'll always have a thing for that flickering grain and crackling, one-tinny-speaker sound of the lo-fi Midnight Movie but if you've got the tools, you might as well build a cathedral, no? (For all that, still no one here knows yet what exactly it is that is being released -- or how much of the gig is included.) |
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Post by walterglass on May 10, 2021 23:37:56 GMT -5
All this talk of definition. I can remember renting Bruce Lee videos to watch on a borrowed VHS Toploader. I ate that shit up. When I was growing up my father felt that color TV emitted too much radiation so we only ever had a tiny black & white set. Might even be why I fell in love with the movies. But that doesn't stop me from getting my breath taken away watching a pristine new print shot in 70mm projected in a state-of-the-art screening room. Absolute goosebumps. I'll always have a thing for that flickering grain and crackling, one-tinny-speaker sound of the lo-fi Midnight Movie but if you've got the tools, you might as well build a cathedral, no? (For all that, still no one here knows yet what exactly it is that is being released -- or how much of the gig is included.) I agree completely. I find it a little weird that it’s a major point of discussion but ultimately I agree they should release the best quality they can. It’s only tinsel, though, and I’m much more interested in the tree. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 11, 2021 1:37:34 GMT -5
I agree completely. I find it a little weird that it’s a major point of discussion but ultimately I agree they should release the best quality they can. It’s only tinsel, though, and I’m much more interested in the tree. People are mostly bored while waiting to be able to finally discuss that damned tree ... |
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Post by lg on May 11, 2021 4:12:41 GMT -5
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Post by RUBIKON on May 11, 2021 4:21:13 GMT -5
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Post by RUBIKON on May 11, 2021 4:21:59 GMT -5
Concert film or concert documentary? Two totally different things
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 11, 2021 4:22:30 GMT -5
More details: Oasis, RSA, Jake Scott & Sony Team Up For Knebworth Concert DocumentaryJake Scott has been set to direct the upcoming Oasis documentary about the UK band’s celebrated Knebworth House concert of 1996. The feature film will be produced by Ridley Scott’s RSA Films; Noel Gallagher and Liam Gallagher will serve as executive producers. Sony Music Entertainment is financing and distributing the film, which will be released this year to mark the 25th anniversary of the famous concert. Trafalgar Releasing will handle the theatrical run later this year. The concert, staged across two days in 1996, drew more than 250,000 fans. Set against a backdrop of the rise of New Labour, Euro ‘96, Mandela’s visit to Britain, and the height of Britpop, the film will picture the band at the height of their powers after the 1995 success of What’s The Story Morning Glory and charts a key moment in recent British rock ‘n’ roll folklore. Two and half million people applied for tickets to the event and it took 3,000 crew to stage the concert. Support acts included The Charlatans, The Prodigy, Manic Street Preachers and The Chemical Brothers. Scott, who has previously directed videos for Oasis, R.E.M, U2, The Verve, The Rolling Stones and other leading music groups, said of the film: “It’s a story driven entirely by the music, a rock and roll experience, told in the moment, like a visual stream of consciousness that is built around the extensive archive footage from the event. No on-camera interviews or unnecessary celebrity recollections.” deadline.com/2021/05/oasis-film-knebworth-documentary-liam-gallagher-jake-scott-1234753786/ |
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Post by GlastoEls on May 11, 2021 4:33:13 GMT -5
More emotional damage for me having missed out on tickets!
But this looks great!
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 11, 2021 5:13:00 GMT -5
Trafalgar Releasing did the massive BTS: Burn The Stage (massive in the sense that it made a tidy 18.5 million US in box office, which won't happen with this, but anyway they know how to release a big concert film.) There could at least in theory in August even be a premiere ...
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