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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 2, 2020 13:58:18 GMT -5
The Who is shit, rap isn't music...I don't see any difference. Exactly, and that's mental. Isn't it just!  |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 13:59:37 GMT -5
The thing is though, it's just a matter of fact that people took the statement literally. I don't think everybody here did. But some of you did and took this outrage sort of position. It seems at least some of you continue to take it literally even after being corrected.
I can't help but faceplam just a little.
It doesn't matter coz it doesn't make any sense. It's not any different than saying "rock isn't music" and then get defensive when people are saying your comment is ridiculous. "Don't take it literally!" pff... Even if you don't take it literally it doesn't suddenly become any better or funny coz there's no logic behind it. The point of the expression is to emphasize immense distaste. It doesn't need to be funny or better for one to achieve the point. Though, if you do see humor in it, fantastic.
I get defensive when I am misrepresented. That is not something I will tolerate.
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Post by oasisserbia on May 2, 2020 14:00:38 GMT -5
But in my opinion, rap is like football hooligans. They sometimes do something great, they give blood, donate to charities, make great atmosphere in stadiums...but then they deal drugs, stab people and all that, have bad influence on young people... So without hiphop there would be less criminality in the world? Without certain type of rap, yes. |
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Post by Jack on May 2, 2020 14:04:25 GMT -5
So without hiphop there would be less criminality in the world? Without certain type of rap, yes. You do realise that like 95% of rappers that have a criminal or gangster image are just faking it, right? Or they're rapping about they're past experiences. |
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Post by eva on May 2, 2020 14:07:05 GMT -5
Guys, keep it civil please
everyone can express opinions, anyone else can disagree, but let's avoid all the agression and ffs stop calling people autistic as if it's an insult
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Post by oasisserbia on May 2, 2020 14:13:47 GMT -5
@the escapist It's the same thing. You don't think that some people don't laugh at you that you liked first post in which says that The Who is shit etc. It's just that nobody normal reacted and was calling you names, like you are now. The Who is shit, rap isn't music...I don't see any difference. Someone doesn't like something and is trying to write it in most offensive way possible :-) I think that I wrote just one post here before and it was about Hendrix and I was trying to show as much respect as I could, I just said that I don't like his music. Imagine if you were in some band and people from audience are shouting at you: You are shit, that's not even music what you are playing, world would be better place without your music... Same shit if you ask me. One of them is an opinion and one isn't. Come on mate. Exaggeration in both cases. The Who is not shit, maybe overrated to someone, maybe not your cup of tea...no fucking way thay they are shit. Fact. Same thing with rap. Equally stupid thing to say is that rap is not music. Fact. But this is not fucking Academic conference, not this forum, specially not this thread. The Who is shit, rap is not music, rap should be banned, Liam Gallagher is talentless idiot, heavy metal is for idiots, Britpop is for pussies...who gives a shit, let people write what they want. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 14:18:59 GMT -5
Personally speaking, if I couldn't tolerate being misrepresented on whether rap is music, I would probably not type out the phrase "rap isn't music". But that's just me, y'know. When something is as clearly hyperbolic as that, it shouldn't be a problem which results in misrepresentation. At the very least, when it is pointed out to you that that it was not meant to be taken literally, you can fess up to making a mistake, rather than double down.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 14:20:04 GMT -5
It doesn't matter coz it doesn't make any sense. It's not any different than saying "rock isn't music" and then get defensive when people are saying your comment is ridiculous. "Don't take it literally!" pff... Even if you don't take it literally it doesn't suddenly become any better or funny coz there's no logic behind it. The point of the expression is to emphasize immense distaste. It doesn't need to be funny or better for one to achieve the point. Though, if you do see humor in it, fantastic.
I get defensive when I am misrepresented. That is not something I will tolerate.
You can emphasize distaste in a lot ways but you chose to say in a way that you made you look like a right knob. There's really no argument why rap wouldn't be music so it doesn't actually make any point at all, even if you think so. If you want have an opinion on something try to start it by say something that is even remotely true. If you can't back it up (saying it's an exaggeration doesn't help when you're totally wrong to begin with) then you've already fucked up. For example, you could try to make an argument that rappers are not talented musicians because they can't sing. You've already got some kind of base for your opinion, although not very good and counter arguments would be really easy to make, but still, there's some logic behind that opinion. But saying rap isn't music is just plain wrong because if you take away the vocals then what do you hear? Music. If you take away the music then it's basically poetry but that doesn't make it wrong because the whole point is to combine the lyrics with instrumentals so the finished product would be MUSIC. |
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Post by funhouse on May 2, 2020 14:23:59 GMT -5
So without hiphop there would be less criminality in the world? Without certain type of rap, yes. Alright, that's different from your previous opinion, which apparently was only hyperbolic but it's hard for me to know I guess. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 14:30:46 GMT -5
The point of the expression is to emphasize immense distaste. It doesn't need to be funny or better for one to achieve the point. Though, if you do see humor in it, fantastic.
I get defensive when I am misrepresented. That is not something I will tolerate.
There's really no argument why rap wouldn't be music That is the point. You're meant to infer from it. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 14:32:09 GMT -5
When something is as clearly hyperbolic as that, it shouldn't be a problem which results in misrepresentation. At the very least, when it is pointed out to you that that it was not meant to be taken literally, you can fess up to making a mistake, rather than double down.
Yes, you're right, it was very foolish of me to interpret the phrase "rap isn't music" as meaning "rap isn't music". Very foolish indeed. As long as we're in agreement. (Sarcasm). (Double sarcasm). |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 14:40:23 GMT -5
That is the point. You're meant to infer from it. I'd infer that you said something silly and were trying to make other people seem like the silly ones for, you know, reading the thing that you typed. It's only silly if you continue to misrepresent intent. Unfortunately, I do think people are silly if they can't see the intent of the statement. Maybe it's a culture thing, I don't know. Thought it would be obvious. |
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Post by The Escapist on May 2, 2020 14:42:31 GMT -5
I'd infer that you said something silly and were trying to make other people seem like the silly ones for, you know, reading the thing that you typed. It's only silly if you continue to misrepresent intent. Unfortunately, I do think people are silly if they can't see the intent of the statement. Maybe it's a culture thing, I don't know. Thought it would be obvious. Good rhyme. Have you ever thought about becoming a rapper? |
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Post by oasisserbia on May 2, 2020 14:45:00 GMT -5
It just shows how easy it is :-)
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 14:48:13 GMT -5
It's only silly if you continue to misrepresent intent. Unfortunately, I do think people are silly if they can't see the intent of the statement. Maybe it's a culture thing, I don't know. Thought it would be obvious. Good rhyme. Have you ever thought about becoming a rapper? I'd make for a great rapper. Better than Kid Rock even. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 14:56:29 GMT -5
When you look at "Rate Your Music", this almost seems like a discussion between friends. Did I already tell you how much I hate RYM ?
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Post by oasisserbia on May 2, 2020 15:06:43 GMT -5
At least people are discussing about music there. We here have to talk about rap beside music.
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Post by funhouse on May 2, 2020 15:29:13 GMT -5
Just a few thoughts.
If you think what you say shouldn't be misinterpreted as anything but an obvious joke or attempt at hyperbole, express an opinion that no one says seriously. Because there are actually people who say that rap isn't music and will try to explain why it isn't, which makes it hard to know whether someone saying that is serious or not.
I mean there are nazis. If someone on the internet says "Hitler was right" and someone goes "what the hell?!", you can't really reply with "woah, obviously I'm joking!", because in a world where such opinions are said with a straight face you can't just always assume everyone's joking. Maybe if you already know the person in question, but that is usually not the case on a forum. None of us are mind readers.
(I used Nazis because it's the easiest example to make, not because it's equal to thinking rap sucks, just thought I'd mention that)
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Post by carlober on May 2, 2020 15:29:51 GMT -5
I couldn't give a fuck about 99% of rap music. It's just not my cup of tea.
I'm happy for those who are able to enjoy it, I simply can't. As I can't enjoy a tennis match on TV, or golf, or 99% of Italian music. It's all down to taste, really.
What I don't like is being called narrow-minded by some people on the net. It's always like that in some music communities.
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Post by oasisserbia on May 2, 2020 16:30:36 GMT -5
Oasis isn't music.
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Post by glider on May 2, 2020 16:42:56 GMT -5
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Post by oasisserbia on May 2, 2020 16:48:25 GMT -5
Oasis is life!
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 19:39:18 GMT -5
Just a few thoughts. If you think what you say shouldn't be misinterpreted as anything but an obvious joke or attempt at hyperbole, express an opinion that no one says seriously. Because there are actually people who say that rap isn't music and will try to explain why it isn't, which makes it hard to know whether someone saying that is serious or not. I mean there are nazis. If someone on the internet says "Hitler was right" and someone goes "what the hell?!", you can't really reply with "woah, obviously I'm joking!", because in a world where such opinions are said with a straight face you can't just always assume everyone's joking. Maybe if you already know the person in question, but that is usually not the case on a forum. None of us are mind readers. (I used Nazis because it's the easiest example to make, not because it's equal to thinking rap sucks, just thought I'd mention that) I do not think the analogy in this case is valid, because it is not a contradiction of itself. I find it to be a hard statement to take seriously specifically because it's a direct contradiction. "Rap isn't music" is just a shortened, "Rap music isn't music." The null hypothesis is that rap is music and one would need to prevent evidence to demonstrate otherwise. It's like saying cheddar cheese isn't cheese or digital pictures aren't pictures. I do not think it is reasonable to take a statement like this seriously unless a person has further established that it's what they believe. For me, the default position of 'horror films aren't films" is that the person saying it is most likely making a joke or an exaggeration. I'm probably going to follow up with questions for clarification. Basically, occam's razor. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Jun 27, 2023 15:32:47 GMT -5
Bowie can't sing Comfortably Numb.
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Post by carlober on Feb 25, 2024 11:51:25 GMT -5
Jake Bugg is shit.
I've probably said it years ago in this very thread, by the way!
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