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Post by Jack on May 2, 2020 12:17:25 GMT -5
Rap is probably the most expressive and creative form of music. More so than the fucking Bee Gees lol Obviously I disagree, but that's what opinions are for. I think the problem is that you said 'rap isnt music'. That's like saying 'a guitar isnt an instrument'. |
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Post by The Escapist on May 2, 2020 12:17:48 GMT -5
I don't think I have to bother, really. It's a blatantly silly opinion that anyone with any self-awareness can dismiss upon sight. Rap is music, and has given us some of the most respected and loved albums of the past five decades. You don't have to like any of it, of course, but saying it isn't music is something that deserves taking the piss out of, not debating. By all rights, I ought to dismiss everything you say on the basis that you are unwilling to even address my actual position and must instead attack a caricature. I give you credit though that you are honest enough to admit it. You seem to think I'm trying to debate you lol I'm taking the piss out of you for saying that rap isn't music, because that's a very stupid thing to say. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 12:22:47 GMT -5
My lack of enjoyment for rap and hip-hop is not by lack of exposure. Grew up with it. All of my peers like it. I've dug around and I have been put off by what I heard.
My favorite band of all time is The Bee Gees. So I don't think music from that time period is forgotten.
If you grew up with it and have dug around I'm sure you've heard how wonderfully diverse, creative and lyrically dense it can be as Jack has just mentioned. I suspect it's for other reasons you dislike hip-hop and that's fine. Everyone's taste is different. The "bitches and bling" thing is a lazy cheapshot though. I didn't say all music from that time period is forgotten. I love music from every decade. It's the shit stuff which is forgotten. There was shit stuff back then just as there is now. The difference is we're not exposed to the shit stuff from the past because no one plays it and that presents us with a bias. Likewise music has greatly evolved from what was going on from the 60's, 70's and 80's. If you're taste largely based around music of that time period or music influenced from that time period you're less likely to enjoy music that's notably removed from it. It doesn't matter how diverse or creative it is to me. That's not the standard I am looking for when evaluating what does and does not sound good. It does not sound good to me. Is there not a genre out there which you just can't stand? I envy you if so.
I enjoy music over all decades since the 50's. The earliest in my collection is probably The Mama's and the Papa's. The latest in my collection is an indie band called Flor. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 12:23:47 GMT -5
Obviously I disagree, but that's what opinions are for. I think the problem is that you said 'rap isnt music'. That's like saying 'a guitar isnt an instrument'. And you can identify hyperbole, yes? |
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Post by funhouse on May 2, 2020 12:24:56 GMT -5
Influence on music scene, influence on young generations... Making many musicians to not push forward with their music and just add rap parts... Remember how many hits songs we had with rap part as verses and then some pop chorus. Those songs would be so much better if they actually tried to write verses, rapping is easiest form of music to make. Creating many self proclaimed geniuses as Kanye West, allowing criminals and gangsters to become ,,respected musicians" just because they can rhyme few words. Did Lennon and Jagger shoot on each other? Look at Tupac, The Notorious B.I.G... Fucking Kanye married fucking Kim Kardashian. Kendrick as quick as he got famous made song with Taylor Swift. Yes, music is music and there are idiots in every genre but I think that rap made more damage than benefits for music and society. I don't think that you can say for any other genre. Most of your critiques can be made against any other genre. There's good hiphop and bad hiphop, a half assed rap verse on a lame pop song, or that entire phenomenon, is not something you can put on hiphop as a whole. I get the frustration with Tupac and Biggie though, sometimes I struggle to enjoy their music not because they rapped about crime but because they did so while also being a part of it(at least as I remember it), which... is not good. But it's not like hiphop creates criminality, which seems to be something you believe? |
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Post by shamumaybard on May 2, 2020 12:25:12 GMT -5
Whoever said Kendrick Lamar is shit go and listen to Rigamortis and try to tell me that it doesn't take an immense amount of skill to write and perform that song. Take MF Doom for example, I honestly don't like his rapping at all but I'd be a moron to say that his rap lyric writing isn't genius.
I'm honestly tired of people who flat out shit on a whole genre without reason, same energy as the people who fail to realise that every single generation thought the previous ones music and lives were shit and that theirs is infinitely better.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 12:25:28 GMT -5
By all rights, I ought to dismiss everything you say on the basis that you are unwilling to even address my actual position and must instead attack a caricature. I give you credit though that you are honest enough to admit it. You seem to think I'm trying to debate you lol I'm taking the piss out of you for saying that rap isn't music, because that's a very stupid thing to say. Yes, but we already discussed this. You didn't respond to that statement though, because, well ... Yikes. It might appear stupid to acknowledge that you took something a little more seriously than you should have. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 12:26:21 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 12:26:40 GMT -5
So basically, wah wah, somebody doesn't like music that I do. How dare them!
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Post by The Escapist on May 2, 2020 12:27:59 GMT -5
You seem to think I'm trying to debate you lol I'm taking the piss out of you for saying that rap isn't music, because that's a very stupid thing to say. Yes, but we already discussed this. You didn't respond to that statement though, because, well ... Yikes. It might appear stupid to acknowledge that you took something a little more seriously than you should have. Sorry, I'm still getting over you implying that someone might be autistic because they didn't see all the brilliant humour and hyperbole in the statement "rap is annoying and isn't music." |
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Post by Jack on May 2, 2020 12:34:50 GMT -5
Yes, but we already discussed this. You didn't respond to that statement though, because, well ... Yikes. It might appear stupid to acknowledge that you took something a little more seriously than you should have. Sorry, I'm still getting over you implying that someone might be autistic because they didn't see all the brilliant humour and hyperbole in the statement "rap is annoying and isn't music." Yeah, quite pathetic tbh. Boomer, edgelord in the house. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 12:35:30 GMT -5
Yes, but we already discussed this. You didn't respond to that statement though, because, well ... Yikes. It might appear stupid to acknowledge that you took something a little more seriously than you should have. Sorry, I'm still getting over you implying that someone might be autistic because they didn't see all the brilliant humour and hyperbole in the statement "rap is annoying and isn't music." It's not about humor. Lol. It's clearly an exaggeration. To claim that a type of music isn't music ... You're not supposed to take that literally. If you do, then yes, you are probably more likely to be autistic, in which case, you can't help that, it's not your fault. However, if you aren't autistic, there's really no excuse. Proclaiming Trump is a good president would be more believably taken as a literal statement than one which presents an objective contradiction. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 12:37:25 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm still getting over you implying that someone might be autistic because they didn't see all the brilliant humour and hyperbole in the statement "rap is annoying and isn't music." Yeah, quite pathetic tbh. Boomer, edgelord in the house. I don't know about that boomer shit, but I am definitely an edgelord. Wouldn't have it any other way. |
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Post by The Escapist on May 2, 2020 12:39:44 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm still getting over you implying that someone might be autistic because they didn't see all the brilliant humour and hyperbole in the statement "rap is annoying and isn't music." It's not about humor. Lol. It's clearly an exaggeration. To claim that a type of music isn't music ... You're not supposed to take that literally. If you do, then yes, you are probably more likely to be autistic, in which case, you can't help that, it's not your fault. However, if you aren't autistic, there's really no excuse. Proclaiming Trump is a good president would be more believably taken as a literal statement than one which presents an objective contradiction. The state of this, man. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 2, 2020 12:40:29 GMT -5
I don't think I have to bother, really. It's a blatantly silly opinion that anyone with any self-awareness can dismiss upon sight. Rap is music, and has given us some of the most respected and loved albums of the past five decades. You don't have to like any of it, of course, but saying it isn't music or that the world would be better off with it being eradicated from time is stuff that deserves taking the piss out of, not debating. By all rights, I ought to dismiss everything you say on the basis that you are unwilling to even address my actual position and must instead attack a caricature. I give you credit though that you are honest enough to admit it.
Of course I can dismiss music. That's my right as a person with unique independent musical tastes from you. Those genres do not do it for me. I do like when they are more incorporated with rock. Say, Arctic Monkeys, AM. I also like bands such as Leisure and Jungle who kind of experiment with blended styles. But outright hip-hop just isn't for me. And rap just makes me cringe. I hate the delivery in the same way that I abhor screamo. It's grating to my ears and I don't need any other reason than that. I do not gain pleasure from it. That's it. That's a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why you dislike the genre. Nothing wrong with that at all. If you'd have came out with that from the top no one have jumped on you! If you grew up with it and have dug around I'm sure you've heard how wonderfully diverse, creative and lyrically dense it can be as Jack has just mentioned. I suspect it's for other reasons you dislike hip-hop and that's fine. Everyone's taste is different. The "bitches and bling" thing is a lazy cheapshot though. I didn't say all music from that time period is forgotten. I love music from every decade. It's the shit stuff which is forgotten. There was shit stuff back then just as there is now. The difference is we're not exposed to the shit stuff from the past because no one plays it and that presents us with a bias. Likewise music has greatly evolved from what was going on from the 60's, 70's and 80's. If you're taste largely based around music of that time period or music influenced from that time period you're less likely to enjoy music that's notably removed from it. It doesn't matter how diverse or creative it is to me. That's not the standard I am looking for when evaluating what does and does not sound good. It does not sound good to me. Is there not a genre out there which you just can't stand? I envy you if so.
I enjoy music over all decades since the 50's. The earliest in my collection is probably The Mama's and the Papa's. The latest in my collection is an indie band called Flor. Exactly my point. You came into the discussion knocking the lyrics when in reality the reason you dislike hip-hop is the delivery. There are certain genres I dislike and it's for that exact reason too. I think you're missing my point regarding older music. I'm sure you like plenty of contemporary music but I'm trying to give you a logical reason as to why you dislike newer popular music as opposed to older popular music and why it's a fool's errand to compare the two. |
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Post by funhouse on May 2, 2020 12:40:35 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm still getting over you implying that someone might be autistic because they didn't see all the brilliant humour and hyperbole in the statement "rap is annoying and isn't music." To claim that a type of music isn't music ... You're not supposed to take that literally. So you haven't heard about Ben Shapiro? You lucky bastard. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 2, 2020 12:40:44 GMT -5
The Twang are criminally underrated. Fuck the haters.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 12:44:25 GMT -5
It's not about humor. Lol. It's clearly an exaggeration. To claim that a type of music isn't music ... You're not supposed to take that literally. If you do, then yes, you are probably more likely to be autistic, in which case, you can't help that, it's not your fault. However, if you aren't autistic, there's really no excuse. Proclaiming Trump is a good president would be more believably taken as a literal statement than one which presents an objective contradiction. The state of this, man. What is your objection here? Is it not a fact that autistic people have great difficulty with deciphering literal and figurative speech?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 12:45:29 GMT -5
To claim that a type of music isn't music ... You're not supposed to take that literally. So you haven't heard about Ben Shapiro? You lucky bastard. Please don't remind me of Ben Shaprio. His whiney fucking voice. I get the same feeling listening to him that I do when hearing rap. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 12:45:52 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm still getting over you implying that someone might be autistic because they didn't see all the brilliant humour and hyperbole in the statement "rap is annoying and isn't music." It's not about humor. Lol. It's clearly an exaggeration. To claim that a type of music isn't music ... You're not supposed to take that literally. If you do, then yes, you are probably more likely to be autistic, in which case, you can't help that, it's not your fault. However, if you aren't autistic, there's really no excuse. Proclaiming Trump is a good president would be more believably taken as a literal statement than one which presents an objective contradiction. Well "rap isn't music" is just a really stupid thing to say and no matter how hard you try to imply others are autistic for not "getting you" won't make you look better. Are you also one of those idiots who say electronic music isn't music because there's no REAL instruments or some shit? |
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Post by oasisserbia on May 2, 2020 12:50:10 GMT -5
All I am saying that I would sign today that all rap music ever recorded disappears right now and that nobody ever record ever again rap song. I could live easily in that world.
It's not like that we would lose very important music pieces like The Dark Side of the Moon or Symphony No. 9.
Yes, 5% of my music library would dissapear but I could live without it.
That's my unpopular music opinion and that's it.
I could say same for heavy metal, Serbian new folk music etc.
More damage than benefit.
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Post by Jack on May 2, 2020 12:52:26 GMT -5
What is your objection here? Is it not a fact that autistic people have great difficulty with deciphering literal and figurative speech?
Even if you thought I might be autistic (which I'm not btw, just to clarify), most people wouldn't even bring it up on this forum. But you've already clarified you're an edgelord, so it's not surprising. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 12:54:07 GMT -5
It's not about humor. Lol. It's clearly an exaggeration. To claim that a type of music isn't music ... You're not supposed to take that literally. If you do, then yes, you are probably more likely to be autistic, in which case, you can't help that, it's not your fault. However, if you aren't autistic, there's really no excuse. Proclaiming Trump is a good president would be more believably taken as a literal statement than one which presents an objective contradiction. Well "rap isn't music" is just a really stupid thing to say and no matter how hard you try to imply others are autistic for not "getting you" won't make you look better. Are you also one of those idiots who say electronic music isn't music because there's no REAL instruments or some shit? The thing is though, it's just a matter of fact that people took the statement literally. I don't think everybody here did. But some of you did and took this outrage sort of position. It seems at least some of you continue to take it literally even after being corrected.
I can't help but faceplam just a little.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 2, 2020 12:55:15 GMT -5
What is your objection here? Is it not a fact that autistic people have great difficulty with deciphering literal and figurative speech?
Even if you thought I might be autistic (which I'm not btw, just to clarify), most people wouldn't even bring it up on this forum. But you've already clarified you're an edgelord, so it's not surprising. Well, at least we agree on something. |
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Post by The Escapist on May 2, 2020 12:56:49 GMT -5
All I am saying that I would sign today that all rap music ever recorded disappears right now and that nobody ever record ever again rap song. I could live easily in that world.It's not like that we would lose very important music pieces like The Dark Side of the Moon or Symphony No. 9. Yes, 5% of my music library would dissapear but I could live without it.That's my unpopular music opinion and that's it. I could say same for heavy metal, Serbian new folk music etc. More damage than benefit. What I think you're forgetting here is that there are some people on the Planet Earth who are, in fact, not you. There's tonnes of types of music I don't like, but I wouldn't dream of taking them out of existence. Can't believe I'm having to type this to be honest, when did we become The Daily Mail's comment section? |
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