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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 26, 2019 17:20:03 GMT -5
I know you said 'half joking', but what the fucking fuck. I dislike coldplay because of the whiny voice and a complete jump in genre from what I listen to. Music is subjective and I have every right to listen to the music I like, that doesn't make me stupid, narrow minded, or not a fan of music. I like rock, I've tried listening to pop, rap, and other genres. Nothing else encapsulates how I feel and what I wanna hear. That was an ignorant comment, it's like saying if you don't like Avengers you hate movies. But it’s not a jump in genres. Noel would kill to have written some of Coldplay’s songs, Liam’s poppier elements are in debt to the same genre and style, it’s all wrapped up in the alternative rock mode where the melody and tune is front and centre of the music. Oasis are as pop as the best of them, the songs are merely dressed in rock style. Noel said several years back that “Yellow” is the one song he wishes he wrote. Said it should have been his! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 26, 2019 17:21:19 GMT -5
I know you said 'half joking', but what the fucking fuck. I dislike coldplay because of the whiny voice and a complete jump in genre from what I listen to. Music is subjective and I have every right to listen to the music I like, that doesn't make me stupid, narrow minded, or not a fan of music. I like rock, I've tried listening to pop, rap, and other genres. Nothing else encapsulates how I feel and what I wanna hear. That was an ignorant comment, it's like saying if you don't like Avengers you hate movies. So why did you start a thread about coldplay, then complain another similar one appeared and just dump on the band anyways? |
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Post by batfink30 on Oct 26, 2019 17:39:57 GMT -5
But it’s not a jump in genres. Noel would kill to have written some of Coldplay’s songs, Liam’s poppier elements are in debt to the same genre and style, it’s all wrapped up in the alternative rock mode where the melody and tune is front and centre of the music. Oasis are as pop as the best of them, the songs are merely dressed in rock style. Noel said several years back that “Yellow” is the one song he wishes he wrote. Said it should have been his! Noel with all his recent "French" shit would kill to write a song like Arabesque. Really. |
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Post by Zingbot on Oct 26, 2019 17:48:11 GMT -5
Pop is a jump from rock.
Noel has written many songs I dislike.
I made the thread because nobody made it and I knew people on here like coldplay.
I complained because this forum is cluttered with duplicate threads.
I didn't claim his songs weren't well written, I just don't think that the genre and performance did them justice.
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2019 17:59:34 GMT -5
Live Forever and Some Might Say is as pop as pop can be.
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Post by Zingbot on Oct 26, 2019 18:05:45 GMT -5
You're in a country where One Direction were absolutely massive, and songs with heavy drums and electric guitars are as pop as can be? Some pop rock is good if done well. Also, it gets much poppier than that.
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Post by Zingbot on Oct 26, 2019 18:07:00 GMT -5
Live forever is also more of a rock or power ballad. Some might say is a pop rock song.
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 26, 2019 19:07:35 GMT -5
The first coldplay album sucks and it only gets worse from there.  |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 26, 2019 19:51:41 GMT -5
Great write-up mystoryisgory , your point about Chris' vocals on Hymn for the Weekend not being expressive enough is dead right - I was pleased by how invested he sounds on Orphans, he seems much more eager to wring the melody of all it's worth. However, I'll say this: Everglow doesn't deserve half the hate it gets, while Fun deserves twice as much. Everglow has a sweet piano line, some tasteful samples and guitar licks, it feels fully fleshed out, and the melody is nice. I enjoy it. But Fun? Probably my least favourite Coldplay track of all time. An insipid, forgettable, instantly-dated bit of Solo Chris Martin. Someone said Princess of China sounded like a Martin solo song, and I couldn't disagree more. For all it's structural short-comings, that track bursts with bass and rhythm and guitar lines. Fun, on the other hand, is like a puddle of lukewarm colourless water. None of the vibrance and ambition that made Mylo so great. Just the kind of bland nothingness that Chris could quite literally write every single day. People seem much more ready to diss Everglow than Fun, and I'm not sure why. I think the former is a vastly superior song, even if neither are more than a 6/10. You're right, Everglow is a far better song than Fun. Fun is Coldplay at peak laziness, and tbh I should've spent more words bashing it in my post. Though there's still a lot about Everglow that rubs me the wrong way. I think it's really down to Stargate's production that gives it the effect of eating a dessert with way too much sugar. I think the reason that Everglow is such an easy target is because of its increased exposure (placement as track 4, release as a single). But also personally it's also a rather frustrating track because of the missed opportunity. Strip back Stargate's polish and you'd have a good song, but Fun is in no way salvageable. I'm probably being too harsh on poor Everglow but in its current state it really has all genuine sentiment buried under all that sugar.
EDIT: I just discovered that Everglow has a completely different single version! This is so much better than the album version! It actually sounds like Coldplay! I can hear genuine emotion in Chris's vocals! Unlike the album version where it sounds like he's singing with a sore throat. (Though I could really do without the quote at the end. That's more than a little cringe) And unsurprisingly, Spotify's credits tell me that Stargate didn't produce the single version. How did Stargate fuck up the album version so much? Maybe if Coldplay re-recorded AHFOD with a different producer we'd all hail it a classic!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 26, 2019 20:25:40 GMT -5
Great write-up mystoryisgory , your point about Chris' vocals on Hymn for the Weekend not being expressive enough is dead right - I was pleased by how invested he sounds on Orphans, he seems much more eager to wring the melody of all it's worth. However, I'll say this: Everglow doesn't deserve half the hate it gets, while Fun deserves twice as much. Everglow has a sweet piano line, some tasteful samples and guitar licks, it feels fully fleshed out, and the melody is nice. I enjoy it. But Fun? Probably my least favourite Coldplay track of all time. An insipid, forgettable, instantly-dated bit of Solo Chris Martin. Someone said Princess of China sounded like a Martin solo song, and I couldn't disagree more. For all it's structural short-comings, that track bursts with bass and rhythm and guitar lines. Fun, on the other hand, is like a puddle of lukewarm colourless water. None of the vibrance and ambition that made Mylo so great. Just the kind of bland nothingness that Chris could quite literally write every single day. People seem much more ready to diss Everglow than Fun, and I'm not sure why. I think the former is a vastly superior song, even if neither are more than a 6/10. You're right, Everglow is a far better song than Fun. Fun is Coldplay at peak laziness, and tbh I should've spent more words bashing it in my post. Though there's still a lot about Everglow that rubs me the wrong way. I think it's really down to Stargate's production that gives it the effect of eating a dessert with way too much sugar. I think the reason that Everglow is such an easy target is because of its increased exposure (placement as track 4, release as a single). But also personally it's also a rather frustrating track because of the missed opportunity. Strip back Stargate's polish and you'd have a good song, but Fun is in no way salvageable. I'm probably being too harsh on poor Everglow but in its current state it really has all genuine sentiment buried under all that sugar. EDIT: I just discovered that Everglow has a completely different single version! This is so much better than the album version! It actually sounds like Coldplay! I can hear genuine emotion in Chris's vocals! Unlike the album version where it sounds like he's singing with a sore throat. (Though I could really do without the quote at the end. That's more than a little cringe) And unsurprisingly, Spotify's credits tell me that Stargate didn't produce the single version. How did Stargate fuck up the album version so much? Maybe if Coldplay re-recorded AHFOD with a different producer we'd all hail it a classic!
I mean debating which song is worse between Everglow and Fun is like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 26, 2019 22:27:19 GMT -5
You're right, Everglow is a far better song than Fun. Fun is Coldplay at peak laziness, and tbh I should've spent more words bashing it in my post. Though there's still a lot about Everglow that rubs me the wrong way. I think it's really down to Stargate's production that gives it the effect of eating a dessert with way too much sugar. I think the reason that Everglow is such an easy target is because of its increased exposure (placement as track 4, release as a single). But also personally it's also a rather frustrating track because of the missed opportunity. Strip back Stargate's polish and you'd have a good song, but Fun is in no way salvageable. I'm probably being too harsh on poor Everglow but in its current state it really has all genuine sentiment buried under all that sugar. EDIT: I just discovered that Everglow has a completely different single version! This is so much better than the album version! It actually sounds like Coldplay! I can hear genuine emotion in Chris's vocals! Unlike the album version where it sounds like he's singing with a sore throat. (Though I could really do without the quote at the end. That's more than a little cringe) And unsurprisingly, Spotify's credits tell me that Stargate didn't produce the single version. How did Stargate fuck up the album version so much? Maybe if Coldplay re-recorded AHFOD with a different producer we'd all hail it a classic!
I mean debating which song is worse between Everglow and Fun is like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. Not really, the single version of Everglow is decent. I doubt no matter how you recorded Fun could make it sound nicer. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 26, 2019 22:34:19 GMT -5
I mean debating which song is worse between Everglow and Fun is like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. Not really, the single version of Everglow is decent. I doubt no matter how you recorded Fun could make it sound nicer. I didn’t even know there was a single version. I’ll give it a listen. I wonder why they would make it different (better) as you say but not make it the album version? Also for me Chris already perfected this type of song, themes and emotions with The Scientist. That’s why I don’t give much time to songs like Everglow or True Love. Chris dominated that feeling back in 2002 magically. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 26, 2019 22:53:51 GMT -5
Not really, the single version of Everglow is decent. I doubt no matter how you recorded Fun could make it sound nicer. I didn’t even know there was a single version. I’ll give it a listen. I wonder why they would make it different (better) as you say but not make it the album version? Also for me Chris already perfected this type of song, themes and emotions with The Scientist. That’s why I don’t give much time to songs like Everglow or True Love. Chris dominated that feeling back in 2002 magically. I didn't either until today. The single version is just Chris and his piano plus an unnecessary sampled quote. I suspect the reason Chris released this single version is because he soured on the album version a la Speed of Sound (and in this case rightfully so). Except he sought to release it officially rather than just perform it on tour.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 26, 2019 23:53:09 GMT -5
I didn’t even know there was a single version. I’ll give it a listen. I wonder why they would make it different (better) as you say but not make it the album version? Also for me Chris already perfected this type of song, themes and emotions with The Scientist. That’s why I don’t give much time to songs like Everglow or True Love. Chris dominated that feeling back in 2002 magically. I didn't either until today. The single version is just Chris and his piano plus an unnecessary sampled quote. I suspect the reason Chris released this single version is because he soured on the album version a la Speed of Sound (and in this case rightfully so). Except he sought to release it officially rather than just perform it on tour.
I still ride for Speed of Sound. Underrated tune despite being at the time a massive radio song. It’s what I wanted coming off AROBTTH. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 27, 2019 0:30:03 GMT -5
I didn't either until today. The single version is just Chris and his piano plus an unnecessary sampled quote. I suspect the reason Chris released this single version is because he soured on the album version a la Speed of Sound (and in this case rightfully so). Except he sought to release it officially rather than just perform it on tour.
I still ride for Speed if Sound. Underrated tune despite being at the time a massive radio song. It’s what I wanted coming off AROBTTH. Me too. Sure everyone can hear the Clocks similarities but then again nobody except Oasis fans trash Noel for reusing the Wonderwall chords. At that point people were just giving Coldplay shit because they were popular, not on the merits of their music. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 27, 2019 0:38:01 GMT -5
I still ride for Speed if Sound. Underrated tune despite being at the time a massive radio song. It’s what I wanted coming off AROBTTH. Me too. Sure everyone can hear the Clocks similarities but then again nobody except Oasis fans trash Noel for reusing the Wonderwall chords. At that point people were just giving Coldplay shit because they were popular, not on the merits of their music. The parallels with Oasis and Be Here Now are uncanny when it comes to X&Y. Both were difficult third albums. Both had massive massive hype. Both sold fucking boat loads in their first weeks of release. X&Y had a legitimate chance to break Be Here Now's sales record. I think it ended up the top selling album in the entire world for 2005. Both lead singles were kinda heavy and dense. Again, both sold tons of singles. DYKWIM sunk faster but they both had their naysayers in the media and fans about being bloated. The big difference here, of course, Coldplay went on to make Viva (a masterpiece) and Oasis made SOTSOG (a downer despite cool sounds). |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 27, 2019 0:58:51 GMT -5
Some foreign releases (ex. Japan) of the album come with a bonus track called "Flags" so that is cool.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 27, 2019 3:11:57 GMT -5
Logged into Coldplaying for the first time in years and was really surprised to see near-universal reception to Arabesque! If Noel had released it, you know there'd be a crowd of angry fans with pitchforks saying Noel's lost his ear for melody. Yet I see no such criticisms of Arabesque among Coldplayers? Really challenges the narrative that Coldplay fans are just a bunch of former Directioners who aren't open to experimentation. In fact, in that regard they've got one on us Oasis fans.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 27, 2019 8:51:29 GMT -5
There is still some confusion over Coldplay’s upcoming album(s). Are we still getting a more traditional Coldplay album later next year or were the rumors simply garbled and the album is just this double LP? I lean the latter.
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Post by matt on Oct 27, 2019 10:45:35 GMT -5
There is still some confusion over Coldplay’s upcoming album(s). Are we still getting a more traditional Coldplay album later next year or were the rumors simply garbled and the album is just this double LP? I lean the latter. Surely the latter? Which I think is good, a double album is more exciting than two stand alone companion pieces. |
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Post by matt on Oct 27, 2019 10:48:29 GMT -5
You're right, Everglow is a far better song than Fun. Fun is Coldplay at peak laziness, and tbh I should've spent more words bashing it in my post. Though there's still a lot about Everglow that rubs me the wrong way. I think it's really down to Stargate's production that gives it the effect of eating a dessert with way too much sugar. I think the reason that Everglow is such an easy target is because of its increased exposure (placement as track 4, release as a single). But also personally it's also a rather frustrating track because of the missed opportunity. Strip back Stargate's polish and you'd have a good song, but Fun is in no way salvageable. I'm probably being too harsh on poor Everglow but in its current state it really has all genuine sentiment buried under all that sugar. EDIT: I just discovered that Everglow has a completely different single version! This is so much better than the album version! It actually sounds like Coldplay! I can hear genuine emotion in Chris's vocals! Unlike the album version where it sounds like he's singing with a sore throat. (Though I could really do without the quote at the end. That's more than a little cringe) And unsurprisingly, Spotify's credits tell me that Stargate didn't produce the single version. How did Stargate fuck up the album version so much? Maybe if Coldplay re-recorded AHFOD with a different producer we'd all hail it a classic!
I mean debating which song is worse between Everglow and Fun is like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. Call me miserly, but I just can’t take a song seriously if it’s been inspired by a surfer. |
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Post by matt on Oct 27, 2019 10:49:45 GMT -5
The more I’m familiar with it, the more I’m liking Orphans. Good tune on first listen but turning into one of their strongest pop songs, especially when you delve into the lyrical content that I found quite sad.
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Post by durk on Oct 27, 2019 11:43:40 GMT -5
There is still some confusion over Coldplay’s upcoming album(s). Are we still getting a more traditional Coldplay album later next year or were the rumors simply garbled and the album is just this double LP? I lean the latter. pretty sure these are all the albums possibly they previously considered releasing the 'experimental' one this year then the pop one next year but i think we're getting both at once |
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Post by World71R on Oct 27, 2019 12:46:30 GMT -5
Great write-up mystoryisgory , your point about Chris' vocals on Hymn for the Weekend not being expressive enough is dead right - I was pleased by how invested he sounds on Orphans, he seems much more eager to wring the melody of all it's worth. However, I'll say this: Everglow doesn't deserve half the hate it gets, while Fun deserves twice as much. Everglow has a sweet piano line, some tasteful samples and guitar licks, it feels fully fleshed out, and the melody is nice. I enjoy it. But Fun? Probably my least favourite Coldplay track of all time. An insipid, forgettable, instantly-dated bit of Solo Chris Martin. Someone said Princess of China sounded like a Martin solo song, and I couldn't disagree more. For all it's structural short-comings, that track bursts with bass and rhythm and guitar lines. Fun, on the other hand, is like a puddle of lukewarm colourless water. None of the vibrance and ambition that made Mylo so great. Just the kind of bland nothingness that Chris could quite literally write every single day. People seem much more ready to diss Everglow than Fun, and I'm not sure why. I think the former is a vastly superior song, even if neither are more than a 6/10. You're right, Everglow is a far better song than Fun. Fun is Coldplay at peak laziness, and tbh I should've spent more words bashing it in my post. Though there's still a lot about Everglow that rubs me the wrong way. I think it's really down to Stargate's production that gives it the effect of eating a dessert with way too much sugar. I think the reason that Everglow is such an easy target is because of its increased exposure (placement as track 4, release as a single). But also personally it's also a rather frustrating track because of the missed opportunity. Strip back Stargate's polish and you'd have a good song, but Fun is in no way salvageable. I'm probably being too harsh on poor Everglow but in its current state it really has all genuine sentiment buried under all that sugar.
EDIT: I just discovered that Everglow has a completely different single version! This is so much better than the album version! It actually sounds like Coldplay! I can hear genuine emotion in Chris's vocals! Unlike the album version where it sounds like he's singing with a sore throat. (Though I could really do without the quote at the end. That's more than a little cringe) And unsurprisingly, Spotify's credits tell me that Stargate didn't produce the single version. How did Stargate fuck up the album version so much? Maybe if Coldplay re-recorded AHFOD with a different producer we'd all hail it a classic!
That's along the lines of what I'd think. Maybe not a classic, but certainly better than what we got. I think all of the songs, even the rather generic ones like Fun and Army of One, would've benefited from having production that let the songs breathe, instead of being slathered in a bunch of unnecessary synths & sounds and repeatedly having the rhythm section mixed too high for a rock setting. Up&Up suffers from this the worst, as does Birds and the title track to some extent. Up&Up sounds massive live and should've been their big closer on record but the energy is killed by those awful synthesized drums that make it sound more Train or Imagine Dragons, than Oasis or Rolling Stones like they were going for. I'm glad they're not working with Stargate again (as far as we know). |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 27, 2019 14:34:23 GMT -5
The more I’m familiar with it, the more I’m liking Orphans. Good tune on first listen but turning into one of their strongest pop songs, especially when you delve into the lyrical content that I found quite sad. I prefer Orphans to Arabesque. Yes, the latter is more ambitious, more experimental, more epic, but Orphans brilliantly re-captures that feeling of romantic, melancholic pop that the band perfected on Viva la Vida. It feels like a dance-able sequel to Lovers in Japan, and that's very high praise indeed. And, as you note, it has some of Martin's most poetic lyrics this decade. Also, talking of Lovers in Japan, does anyone have a download link to the Osaka Sun mix paired with Reign of Love? I slightly prefer the EP version, and would love to put it on my version of the album with Postcards From Far Away. |
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