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Post by batfink30 on Oct 27, 2019 15:28:41 GMT -5
I have to say Orphans is really growing me on me. The official video thing with Chris just on acoustic is fantastic. Pretty great.
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Post by chamu on Oct 27, 2019 15:52:20 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of Orphans but i'm really enjoying Arabesque.
As we are in an Oasis forum, it's pretty incredible that 'Shockwave' charted higher than where 'Orphans' is going to chart on its first week
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 27, 2019 16:27:39 GMT -5
You're right, Everglow is a far better song than Fun. Fun is Coldplay at peak laziness, and tbh I should've spent more words bashing it in my post. Though there's still a lot about Everglow that rubs me the wrong way. I think it's really down to Stargate's production that gives it the effect of eating a dessert with way too much sugar. I think the reason that Everglow is such an easy target is because of its increased exposure (placement as track 4, release as a single). But also personally it's also a rather frustrating track because of the missed opportunity. Strip back Stargate's polish and you'd have a good song, but Fun is in no way salvageable. I'm probably being too harsh on poor Everglow but in its current state it really has all genuine sentiment buried under all that sugar.
EDIT: I just discovered that Everglow has a completely different single version! This is so much better than the album version! It actually sounds like Coldplay! I can hear genuine emotion in Chris's vocals! Unlike the album version where it sounds like he's singing with a sore throat. (Though I could really do without the quote at the end. That's more than a little cringe) And unsurprisingly, Spotify's credits tell me that Stargate didn't produce the single version. How did Stargate fuck up the album version so much? Maybe if Coldplay re-recorded AHFOD with a different producer we'd all hail it a classic!
That's along the lines of what I'd think. Maybe not a classic, but certainly better than what we got. I think all of the songs, even the rather generic ones like Fun and Army of One, would've benefited from having production that let the songs breathe, instead of being slathered in a bunch of unnecessary synths & sounds and repeatedly having the rhythm section mixed too high for a rock setting. Up&Up suffers from this the worst, as does Birds and the title track to some extent. Up&Up sounds massive live and should've been their big closer on record but the energy is killed by those awful synthesized drums that make it sound more Train or Imagine Dragons, than Oasis or Rolling Stones like they were going for. I'm glad they're not working with Stargate again (as far as we know). 100% agree! Even Stargate couldn't ruin Up&Up completely though, on record it still sounds grand, just not as massive as it could've/should've been. And tbh I'd argue the song they ruined most was Birds. That song needs delicate textures for its beautiful riff to shine. Instead the song is suffocated by layers of unnecessary glitter and squashed by too much dynamic range compression. And the use of drum machine throughout the track makes the song sound mechanical and overly energetic when it should sound organic and relaxed. Then they decided it would be a good idea to nearly completely obscure Johnny's great guitar solo. Also don't like the abrupt ending. A song like this should be allowed to spread its wings and slowly disintegrate into feathery wisps of the sound of the piano riff that drives the song. An extended outro (perhaps with a fadeout) is what's called for, not a door being shut in your face. Because Stargate caged this song in a four-minute runtime instead of giving it room to breathe, and forced a dance beat onto it, it's a production disaster from start to finish instead of having the magical beauty of Sigur Ros that it should have had.
I wouldn't mind if they worked with Stargate again but only if it's for another Hymn-for-the-Weekend-esque track. One reason AHFOD fails is because Chris and Stargate forced mainstream pop production on top of songs that weren't asking for it. But unabashed pop songs like HFTW are Stargate's specialty. So as long as they don't touch the more Coldplay-esque songs I wouldn't mind if Chris brought them in for a track or two. Actually fuck that, they couldn't even get Hymn for the Weekend right. A producer who knew what they were doing would've actually made it seem like Chris was having fun on that song, instead of having his vocal take sound like he's falling asleep at the mic. Party songs require party moods! Not a singer who sounds bored out of his mind!
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 27, 2019 16:37:25 GMT -5
I mean debating which song is worse between Everglow and Fun is like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. Call me miserly, but I just can’t take a song seriously if it’s been inspired by a surfer. What about The Beach Boys?  |
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Post by glider on Oct 27, 2019 17:30:09 GMT -5
Live Forever and Some Might Say is as pop as pop can be. Pop Rock - Guitar driven rockers with pop melodies. This is why Britpop was what it was. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 27, 2019 22:04:20 GMT -5
Our boy Spike Stent mixed “Orphans”.
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Post by World71R on Oct 27, 2019 23:48:11 GMT -5
Our boy Spike Stent mixed “Orphans”. He did alright with it. I'm not keen on the bass and drums being so highly mixed at some points, but the mix is a step up from some of the trite mixing on AHFOD. |
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Post by lahaine on Oct 28, 2019 5:43:00 GMT -5
It's funny this is the only forum (Besides Coldplay fan forums) that Coldplay don't get legit hate from music fans. I swear some people just outright despise anything to do with them. They are the band that even people who love guitar bands really dislike. I never quite got it, i think their first 4 albums are fantastic but many will only go as far as mildly praising their second album and then say it was downhill from there.
I can understand it with their last few albums and stuff, and the band aren't exactly the coolest lol. Chris Martin can rub many up the wrong way. But I think they are a better band then many give them credit for.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 28, 2019 9:21:29 GMT -5
It's funny this is the only forum (Besides Coldplay fan forums) that Coldplay don't get legit hate from music fans. I swear some people just outright despise anything to do with them. They are the band that even people who love guitar bands really dislike. I never quite got it, i think their first 4 albums are fantastic but many will only go as far as mildly praising their second album and then say it was downhill from there. I can understand it with their last few albums and stuff, and the band aren't exactly the coolest lol. Chris Martin can rub many up the wrong way. But I think they are a better band then many give them credit for. I believe a lot of that has to do with over saturation. Kinda like U2 around 2003-2005. People sour and turn on that stuff as media, fans and pop culture over do it on a band. You can’t always be so in your face 24-7. You almost become a cliche. This might sound dumb but that scene in 40 year old virgin made Coldplay seem totally uncool and I still hear people make reference to do it. Not to say they agree with it, just that it happened and became an association of not being cool or hip. |
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Post by matt on Oct 28, 2019 16:34:22 GMT -5
It's funny this is the only forum (Besides Coldplay fan forums) that Coldplay don't get legit hate from music fans. I swear some people just outright despise anything to do with them. They are the band that even people who love guitar bands really dislike. I never quite got it, i think their first 4 albums are fantastic but many will only go as far as mildly praising their second album and then say it was downhill from there. I can understand it with their last few albums and stuff, and the band aren't exactly the coolest lol. Chris Martin can rub many up the wrong way. But I think they are a better band then many give them credit for. I believe a lot of that has to do with over saturation. Kinda like U2 around 2003-2005. People sour and turn on that stuff as media, fans and pop culture over do it on a band. You can’t always be so in your face 24-7. You almost become a cliche. This might sound dumb but that scene in 40 year old virgin made Coldplay seem totally uncool and I still hear people make reference to do it. Not to say they agree with it, just that it happened and became an association of not being cool or hip. Hmm, that joke aged badly. It’s a shame about Coldplay but U2 get the flak that I think is deserved at times. They show themselves up as the biggest band ever during the time period you describe with what was in reality by far their worst album (up until then). And then there’s the terrible PR decisions that followed in latter years. I say that as the biggest of U2 fans as well. But Coldplay seemed to garner hate with what were genuinely very good albums. It’s fine not to like them, but my god, the outright hate they receive is mind boggling. X&Y was the tipping point - and particularly Fix You (where you lean on this song often dictates how you feel about Coldplay). But that album has some genuinely great songs on it... It’s a social status thing, people do it consciously or unconsciously to make themselves look cool. It’s not cool to like something that mums buy in Tescos, or some middle management figure that goes to HMV once in a blue moon to buy. I guess it’s folk who are insecure about their identities that vent their spleen about Coldplay. As poor as Coldplay have been in recent years, they’re not half as bad as the folk who feel the need to go on about it. But you have to ask yourselves, a band that captures alt-rock fans, millennials and the general non-music fan public must be doing something right. Me personally? Like Oasis before them, I think they do the big expansive melodic sound with heart and sincerity way better than anyone since the Gallaghers. In fact, there’s no other big stadium act I like in the last 30 years aside from these two. While Coldplay don’t have that raw primal instinctive euphoria of Oasis, they do (and Chris Martin in particular) have a vast palette of influences that underlies a genuine love and curiosity for all types of music from the west to east. It’s all inclusive, ironically more so than your usual ‘right on’ white middle class Coldplay hater. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 28, 2019 17:49:05 GMT -5
I believe a lot of that has to do with over saturation. Kinda like U2 around 2003-2005. People sour and turn on that stuff as media, fans and pop culture over do it on a band. You can’t always be so in your face 24-7. You almost become a cliche. This might sound dumb but that scene in 40 year old virgin made Coldplay seem totally uncool and I still hear people make reference to do it. Not to say they agree with it, just that it happened and became an association of not being cool or hip. Hmm, that joke aged badly. It’s a shame about Coldplay but U2 get the flak that I think is deserved at times. They show themselves up as the biggest band ever during the time period you describe with what was in reality by far their worst album (up until then). And then there’s the terrible PR decisions that followed in latter years. I say that as the biggest of U2 fans as well. But Coldplay seemed to garner hate with what were genuinely very good albums. It’s fine not to like them, but my god, the outright hate they receive is mind boggling. X&Y was the tipping point - and particularly Fix You (where you lean on this song often dictates how you feel about Coldplay). But that album has some genuinely great songs on it... It’s a social status thing, people do it consciously or unconsciously to make themselves look cool. It’s not cool to like something that mums buy in Tescos, or some middle management figure that goes to HMV once in a blue moon to buy. I guess it’s folk who are insecure about their identities that vent their spleen about Coldplay. As poor as Coldplay have been in recent years, they’re not half as bad as the folk who feel the need to go on about it. But you have to ask yourselves, a band that captures alt-rock fans, millennials and the general non-music fan public must be doing something right. Me personally? Like Oasis before them, I think they do the big expansive melodic sound with heart and sincerity way better than anyone since the Gallaghers. In fact, there’s no other big stadium act I like in the last 30 years aside from these two. While Coldplay don’t have that raw primal instinctive euphoria of Oasis, they do (and Chris Martin in particular) have a vast palette of influences that underlies a genuine love and curiosity for all types of music from the west to east. It’s all inclusive, ironically more so than your usual ‘right on’ white middle class Coldplay hater. Fantastic post. You're right, Coldplay will always be cool to hate - not enough attitude, not enough cynicism, not enough edge. They're a band that people who aren't into music will love, a guitar band you can play for your mum, as opposed to a more exclusive, spikier band like Radiohead. But as you say, that ability to bring together all sorts of people to just sing a melody should show what a natural gift the band have for tunes that transcend language, class, and music taste. And make no mistake about it, a fair portion of those who proclaim their undying hatred for the band will secretly be desperate to sing along to ditties like this one when they come on. The simple, romantic beauty is the power. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 28, 2019 23:54:08 GMT -5
Guy Berryman said on a podcast today that Coldplay will not tour this new album. Very interesting. Very........
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Post by Manualex on Oct 29, 2019 0:40:08 GMT -5
Guy Berryman said on a podcast today that Coldplay will not tour this new album. Very interesting. Very........ Perhaps it will be just like Ghost Stories few selected dates and then on to the next LP recording. |
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Post by yeayeayeah on Oct 29, 2019 2:04:17 GMT -5
But it’s not a jump in genres. Noel would kill to have written some of Coldplay’s songs, Liam’s poppier elements are in debt to the same genre and style, it’s all wrapped up in the alternative rock mode where the melody and tune is front and centre of the music. Oasis are as pop as the best of them, the songs are merely dressed in rock style. Noel said several years back that “Yellow” is the one song he wishes he wrote. Said it should have been his! Noel should have written Violet Hill. Tune and a half!!!! |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 29, 2019 13:52:27 GMT -5
According to Apple Music, my top five most-played Coldplay songs:
1. Violet Hill - 138 plays
2. Cemeteries of London - 120 plays
3. Life in Technicolour - 118 plays
4. Postcards From Far Away - 98 plays
5. Strawberry Swing - 95 plays
You'd never guess my favourite album, would you?
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Post by clueso on Oct 29, 2019 14:42:55 GMT -5
Violet Hill is one of their Top 3 songs, if not the best. Especially the lyrics. And it's just amazing live.
This one and Talk are my favourites.
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Post by matt on Oct 29, 2019 16:20:24 GMT -5
Not touring a double album? Strange one. I can see the point in not touring Ghost Stories. I suppose they can afford not to, but an expansive release like that you’d expect something surely?
If they were to perform live again, I’d love to see them pull out something like Square One or White Shadows again.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 29, 2019 17:19:10 GMT -5
Not touring a double album? Strange one. I can see the point in not touring Ghost Stories. I suppose they can afford not to, but an expansive release like that you’d expect something surely? If they were to perform live again, I’d love to see them pull out something like Square One or White Shadows again. Might go along with the initial rumors of two releases, one more “experimental” this winter (Everyday Life) and another more traditional Coldplay album/tour at some point next year. We shall see. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 29, 2019 17:50:51 GMT -5
Maybe they're going post-66 Beatles on this new chapter. I doubt it, though. The two-albums thing is more likely.
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Post by Bellboy on Oct 29, 2019 18:14:07 GMT -5
I have to say Orphans is really growing me on me. The official video thing with Chris just on acoustic is fantastic. Pretty great. It took watching the video for me to get it but I agree. |
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Post by glider on Oct 29, 2019 19:09:19 GMT -5
Maybe they're going post-66 Beatles on this new chapter. I doubt it, though. The two-albums thing is more likely. Not a chance. They're in full on U2 mode. Tour into their elder years and make bank. I got a feeling LP9 will be another safe commerical work. |
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Post by bestwick8 on Oct 30, 2019 2:08:29 GMT -5
I think orphans sounds terrible, sounds like a Disney song for kids. Arabesque on the other hand is amazing, especially the last 30 seconds, just sounds loud, can’t wait to hear that live.
And as much as I love Coldplay, they peaked at their second album... and gone majorly downhill since, relying on over production to disguise basic songs.
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Post by World71R on Oct 30, 2019 11:47:22 GMT -5
Maybe they're going post-66 Beatles on this new chapter. I doubt it, though. The two-albums thing is more likely. Not a chance. They're in full on U2 mode. Tour into their elder years and make bank. I got a feeling LP9 will be another safe commerical work. Speaking of U2, I hope they take the ATYCLB approach by combining contemporary elements they've worked on in their previous couple albums (AB, Zooropa, Pop; MX, GS, AHFOD) with the original, iconic sound that made them great in the first place (War, TUF, TJT; AROBTTH, X&Y, Viva), but I don't know. |
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Post by glider on Oct 30, 2019 13:14:00 GMT -5
Not a chance. They're in full on U2 mode. Tour into their elder years and make bank. I got a feeling LP9 will be another safe commerical work. Speaking of U2, I hope they take the ATYCLB approach by combining contemporary elements they've worked on in their previous couple albums (AB, Zooropa, Pop; MX, GS, AHFOD) with the original, iconic sound that made them great in the first place (War, TUF, TJT; AROBTTH, X&Y, Viva), but I don't know. They've already done that though haven't they? Ghost Stories in particular is an MOR record, sterile mainstream production included. Difference between ATYCLB and Ghost Stories is the songs on ATYCLB were much, much stronger. Even then, I wouldn't say ATYCLB shows any resemblance to their experimentation from the 90s. That record was tailor made to suit a general audience, and a far cry from anything like Mofo, Do You Feel Loved, Your Blue Room, Numb, etc. |
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Post by matt on Oct 30, 2019 15:29:22 GMT -5
Speaking of U2, I hope they take the ATYCLB approach by combining contemporary elements they've worked on in their previous couple albums (AB, Zooropa, Pop; MX, GS, AHFOD) with the original, iconic sound that made them great in the first place (War, TUF, TJT; AROBTTH, X&Y, Viva), but I don't know. They've already done that though haven't they? Ghost Stories in particular is an MOR record, sterile mainstream production included. Difference between ATYCLB and Ghost Stories is the songs on ATYCLB were much, much stronger. Even then, I wouldn't say ATYCLB shows any resemblance to their experimentation from the 90s. That record was tailor made to suit a general audience, and a far cry from anything like Mofo, Do You Feel Loved, Your Blue Room, Numb, etc. Not to get veered into a U2 discussion, but there’s tiny little hints of their 90s work in All That You Can’t Leave Behind. The drum loop in New York, the impressionistic sketchy nature of that one and the beatbox pattern at the start of Beautiful Day. There’s subtle flourishes there, done in a very minimalist style that is way preferable to the ‘rawk’ of latter albums. As for Ghost Stories, the only songs that have a bit of a nod towards the past are Oceans (which is actually more than a nod), All Your Friends and Ghost Story. I actually don’t think Coldplay are ready to return to their roots. I think Chris Martin incorporates more folk and worldly influences into his music more than U2, and I think he can plunder that a lot more. I think the poppy vibrancy of his songwriting suits many vibes he tries to incorporate. |
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