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Post by walrus91 on Jul 8, 2019 22:00:50 GMT -5
Does Noel now have pressure to make a more fan friendly album? I think his wife pushed him to be more "hip" based on the interviews of how he seems to always want her approval of new songs. She also insulting Liam about his act being old. I came to the conclusion she has pushed Noel this direction though is odd because disco isn't really modern. I think the fans rejection of the new songs will force Noel to start being Noel again.. thoughts? Waiting for the insults to fly lol I agree with you. I've been saying this for awhile that I think his wife has pushed him to write these shitty dance tunes. You'll get hate no doubt as I've already seen. Some people no matter what Noel does will love it. That EP sucked big donkey balls. I didn't even buy tickets for his tour with Smashing Pumpkins. I've lost interest in his new stuff and his live show isnt something I get excited about anymore. Exactly.. First tour that I have no interest in the tour. I cant imagine what Smashing Pumpkin fans are going to think about hearing Noel do boring Disco tunes at a Rock Concert.. I loved his solo shows 3 years ago.... I think we are the few fans on here that aren't delusional.. I haven't had anyone like any of the new stuff yet except on here. |
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Post by MONO on Jul 9, 2019 1:31:41 GMT -5
What's so great about an "EP" with less songs than an early 90s Oasis "Maxi Single"? The 90s are an anomaly in terms of the conception of a single and an EP. Throughout most of the history of music production, a single was 2 songs and an EP was around 4. The 90s was a great time to be a music fan but it was also very taxing on the artists. Essentially the only reason why Be Here Now didn't get an official 4th single was because Noel was just not up for writing another three songs. So it had its significant drawbacks too. In the end, there are only 3 songs on it. Quite cheeky to call it an "EP" What's so great about an "EP" with less songs than an early 90s Oasis "Maxi Single"? Three boring tunes and one great remix. FIFY |
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Post by andymorris on Jul 9, 2019 1:53:04 GMT -5
The 90s are an anomaly in terms of the conception of a single and an EP. Throughout most of the history of music production, a single was 2 songs and an EP was around 4. The 90s was a great time to be a music fan but it was also very taxing on the artists. Essentially the only reason why Be Here Now didn't get an official 4th single was because Noel was just not up for writing another three songs. So it had its significant drawbacks too. In the end, there are only 3 songs on it. Quite cheeky to call it an "EP" Three boring tunes and one great remix. FIFY Problem these days is that kinda people who think their own little world is the only world. Well it's not. EPs, singles and albums are defined by their lengths, there's rules to be in either category, to enter charts in each category. It cant be a single nor an album therefore it's en EP, coz it cant be a mini album either. Noel did not make those rules FFS.  |
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Post by MONO on Jul 9, 2019 2:16:19 GMT -5
Problem these days is that kinda people who think their own little world is the only world. Well it's not. Good to see you're starting to realise your problem  EPs, singles and albums are defined by their lengths, there's rules to be in either category, to enter charts in each category. It cant be a single nor an album therefore it's en EP, coz it cant be a mini album either. Noel did not make those rules FFS. But he decided the tracklist, didn't he? Hint: 3 versions of the same song (with one alteration being nearly indistinguishable) to reach 5 tracks in total |
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Post by captaincrankshaft on Jul 9, 2019 2:42:35 GMT -5
I’m sure Noel doesn’t give a flying fuck what people think and wouldn’t start making the music Sara wants him to make. He’s said in interviews before he has to listen to chart music around the house, guitar music to her is Paul Simon etc. I just think now he’s explored the Beatles, Stones etc to death and, like all of us, is exploring different music. The problem for me at the moment is I don’t really like the music he is being influenced by. That’s not his problem though, it’s mine. I don’t want him to go back to making the same music he’s done before (unless it’s a really fucking great version of it) but there’s thousands of new directions he could go in and I just hope he goes in one of them instead of making this WBTM, BSD shite.
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Post by MONO on Jul 9, 2019 2:53:55 GMT -5
I’m sure Noel doesn’t give a flying fuck what people think I am sure he does and that the biggest problem for his ego is that Liam is now more successful than him - unimaginable after Beady Eye's lukewarm reception and breakup. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 3:00:34 GMT -5
I think he's now trying to stay away from Oasis territory to claim creative high ground when Liam outsells him again. He doesn't want to compete directly.
Meh, it's up to him if he wants to make disco trash to impress his wife. The other couple of songs on the EP are better and still different. On the one hand I'm disappointed that they don't connect with me like his older work, but on the other, I don't think I need more of the same to listen to.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 9, 2019 3:25:08 GMT -5
I think he's now trying to stay away from Oasis territory to claim creative high ground when Liam outsells him again. He doesn't want to compete directly. Meh, it's up to him if he wants to make disco trash to impress his wife. The other couple of songs on the EP are better and still different. On the one hand I'm disappointed that they don't connect with me like his older work, but on the other, I don't think I need more of the same to listen to. I don't agree with your first point. Noel started going this way while the recording of CY was still ongoing so I don't see it as being 'claiming the creative high ground' as such. I really don't see what he's doing now as being different to what he's done before. The main difference is the way he's going about it. I don't agree with BSD being disco trash but I respect it's totally down to opinion, so I have no issue with your comment there. You either like it or not and that's fine. On your last point, I think that's a good way of looking at it. Some of the songs do really connect with me just like some of the old ones did more than others, but I don't see the harm in him altering as he gets older. He's never gonna go fully out there and there will always be a bit of NG in the songs which is what's important. He's never gonna write anything like the first three albums again song wise but in terms of the spirit which he's making the records I think he's back in that place again (Holy Mountain and it's complete joy is an example of something which wasn't really done since BHN, for example). |
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Post by captaincrankshaft on Jul 9, 2019 3:29:39 GMT -5
I’m sure Noel doesn’t give a flying fuck what people think I am sure he does and that the biggest problem for his ego is that Liam is now more successful than him - unimaginable after Beady Eye's lukewarm reception and breakup. Nah, he’s got far too much self confidence, arrogance and been ridiculously successful throughout his career to be giving a fuck what people think at this stage. Liam is not more successful than him. Liam’s on album two, Noel on album four - they’re not at the same point. Liam’s popularity will die down a bit over the years as it does with all artists. I’d put money on it that this new LP doesn’t sell as much as AYW but I’m not a gambling man so I won’t. |
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Post by bt95 on Jul 9, 2019 3:33:51 GMT -5
I am sure he does and that the biggest problem for his ego is that Liam is now more successful than him - unimaginable after Beady Eye's lukewarm reception and breakup. Nah, he’s got far too much self confidence, arrogance and been ridiculously successful throughout his career to be giving a fuck what people think at this stage. Liam is not more successful than him. Liam’s on album two, Noel on album four - they’re not at the same point. Liam’s popularity will die down a bit over the years as it does with all artists. I’d put money on it that this new LP doesn’t sell as much as AYW but I’m not a gambling man so I won’t. I didn't get a sniff of tickets for Liam's arena shows in 2017 (which is why I went Amsterdam and then Finsbury). I can't imagine I'll have the same issue on Friday (or at least I'm hopeful I won't!). That's not to say Liam's got less popular, I don't think he has, but there was a huge buzz around AYW and rightly so. |
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Post by morning_rain on Jul 9, 2019 3:43:40 GMT -5
I think the reception has been exactly what he expected, so I don't think it will be an important reason for going back to his old style.
But I do think he'll come back eventually. I think he's trying new things now that he's... well, not young, but not an old man either. He'll have plenty of time to do acoustic tours and release slow songs on guitar about the rain and sunshine when he's in his 60s and 70s.
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Post by russiangenius on Jul 9, 2019 4:02:38 GMT -5
I agree that he became uninteresting for some people with this disco style but you forget that Noel Gallagher didn't make music for fans. Noel Gallagher never interested in fans' opinions (oh sorry, maybe rarely like this 2005 acoustic appearance in fan's house). Blaming his wife in doing disco music is very recklessly. He writes what he wants. You should just accept it or refuse
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 4:24:38 GMT -5
according to Noel in the isle of wight interview, black star dancing is his most successful solo single ever. not sure how that can possibly be true but if he believes that then he clearly doesnt have any such opinion that the reception was horrible. |
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Post by MONO on Jul 9, 2019 6:20:34 GMT -5
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Post by Rivers on Jul 9, 2019 6:26:56 GMT -5
First, I like the 3 songs on the EP, maybe BSD is not exactly my cup of tea but still, it's interesting enough.
I don't think Noel cares much about the reception, or at least I hope so. I think his worsts songs came from trying too hard.
As for the Liam/Noel comparison, and I like both of them, the truth is Noel is the one that keeps me more interested in what he'll do next. And I'm pretty sure it will be his songs I'll be listening more in the months to come. Even if I'd like him to bring the guitars back, his music is better and more authentic that whatever Liam will come with. And I don't blame Liam for that, he's doing what he can with all this songwriters and promotion, but he's become a product. I'll be buying it, but it saddens me a little.
About Liam outselling Noel (if ever that's true), who cares: Beyoncé outsells Liam and I don't give a f*** about her music.
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Post by andylith on Jul 9, 2019 8:00:43 GMT -5
I’m sure Noel doesn’t give a flying fuck what people think I am sure he does and that the biggest problem for his ego is that Liam is now more successful than him - unimaginable after Beady Eye's lukewarm reception and breakup. Think PR machine did a great job with Liam for his first album but let’s be honest a lot of that good press has gone. By time of Liam’s third album if he continues doing songs like Shockwave he’ll won’t be doing anywhere near as well. Noel certainly more respected as a musician across the board. I’d rather be respected by my peers and making music I want than selling out to pop writers. |
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Post by carlober on Jul 9, 2019 8:08:40 GMT -5
I am sure he does and that the biggest problem for his ego is that Liam is now more successful than him - unimaginable after Beady Eye's lukewarm reception and breakup. Think PR machine did a great job with Liam for his first album but let’s be honest a lot of that good press has gone. By time of Liam’s third album if he continues doing songs like Shockwave he’ll won’t be doing anywhere near as well. Noel certainly more respected as a musician across the board. I’d rather be respected by my peers and making music I want than selling out to pop writers. You're such a broken record, ton. Yawn. |
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Post by andymorris on Jul 9, 2019 8:23:48 GMT -5
Problem these days is that kinda people who think their own little world is the only world. Well it's not. Good to see you're starting to realise your problem EPs, singles and albums are defined by their lengths, there's rules to be in either category, to enter charts in each category. It cant be a single nor an album therefore it's en EP, coz it cant be a mini album either. Noel did not make those rules FFS. But he decided the tracklist, didn't he? Hint: 3 versions of the same song (with one alteration being nearly indistinguishable) to reach 5 tracks in total I dislike all his remixes tbh, so I dont care for them, the 3 tracks are good enough for an EP. I mean, Oasis put Slide Away on Whatever single, Bring It On Down (Live), Supersonic (Live), up in the sky acoustic and many many other shitty unecessary tracks on their singles back then to reach the compulsory 4 tracks rule. It's nothing new. So why care so much now ? I think you're forgetting Oasis put out way more material than they should have or than any other band between 94 / 97. That time is gone and done, i'm glad they did because they made our teenage years a great time to be alive, but i'm glad Noel is making the stuff he wants now, far away from a formula. If he goes back to the old sound, he will do it right. As for now, he can try all the disco he wants. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 9:08:46 GMT -5
thought as much.
here it is, just for reference. Worst part of that is he uses that so called "success" as justification for not writing songs beforehand anymore.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Jul 9, 2019 9:10:06 GMT -5
I agree with you. I've been saying this for awhile that I think his wife has pushed him to write these shitty dance tunes. You'll get hate no doubt as I've already seen. Some people no matter what Noel does will love it. That EP sucked big donkey balls. I didn't even buy tickets for his tour with Smashing Pumpkins. I've lost interest in his new stuff and his live show isnt something I get excited about anymore. Exactly.. First tour that I have no interest in the tour. I cant imagine what Smashing Pumpkin fans are going to think about hearing Noel do boring Disco tunes at a Rock Concert.. I loved his solo shows 3 years ago.... I think we are the few fans on here that aren't delusional.. I haven't had anyone like any of the new stuff yet except on here. For me the EP was good, but that is a matter of opinion. But that Noel's albums and ticket sales keep as strong or stronger than in the CY era is fact. It is also fact that with WBTM he had the best critical reception in decades. I am afraid you are mistaking your wishes with reality. Also, the constant mentions to Sara are disgusting. |
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Post by AubreyOasis on Jul 9, 2019 9:14:53 GMT -5
thought as much. here it is, just for reference. Worst part of that is uses that so called "success" as justification for not writing songs beforehand anymore.
BSD was not eligible neither for the singles nor the album charts That said, i agree it is not his most successful solo song at all. Those were 1)WAL and 2)Holy Mountain as their chart run shows. My guess is that Noel is comparing the physical sales of the BSD EP with the physical sales of the singles. If that is the case, it is not surprising that BSD has sold more because it has 3 non-album songs (besides the remixes) when the singles had one at most (so i do not think it is a fair comparison) |
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Post by MONO on Jul 9, 2019 9:47:21 GMT -5
Liam is not more successful than him. Of course he is Liam’s on album two, Noel on album four - they’re not at the same point. They are at the same point - exactly 10 years after the breakup of Oasis. One of them made a great comeback two years ago, the popularity of the other one's declining. If you go by the numbers of LPs you can basically never compare the success of artists due to changes of demographics/music consumption. And it's clearly nonsense to compare WM?WN. with CY. BSD was not eligible neither for the singles nor the album charts The track BSD was released as a single track download + streaming on May 2nd but failed to chart in the single charts. According to the chart rules, the "EP" qualifies for the album charts as it is longer than 25 minutes (26:40): "Over 25 minutes OR more than four songs where the format does not qualify as a “Maxi” single or remix single as defined by singles eligibility." www.officialcharts.com/media/656133/official-uk-album-chart-rules-january-2019.pdf- Maxi single (does not apply): "Compact Disc"/"DVD"/"Dualdisc"/"Digital Memory Device" - Remix single (doesn't apply): "One song title and any number of remixes of that featured title to a maximum of 40 minutes applicable to “Maxi” physical or digital formats and 12” vinyl formats." www.officialcharts.com/media/647278/official-uk-charts-singles-chart-rules-march-2015.pdf |
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Post by anais on Jul 9, 2019 9:54:31 GMT -5
I really loved that EP...it gets better with every listen!
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Post by chamu on Jul 9, 2019 10:07:20 GMT -5
I´ve read this chart rules before and we shouldn´t understand something. I thought it´d be eligible for the album charts and it didn´t chart..but it is impossible no top 100. Only on vinyl it sold more than 2000 copies without any doubt. And you can be Top 100 selling 1,5k... The song itself didn´t chart, because with no physical release (only download&streaming) there is no chance for Noel these days. I am enjoying this EP a lot. Rattling Rose and Sail On are very good tracks. Bring EP2&EP3 on Noel!!! |
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Post by MONO on Jul 9, 2019 10:12:50 GMT -5
I thought it´d be eligible for the album charts and it didn´t chart..but it is impossible no top 100. It is possible: it happened. Only on vinyl it sold more than 2000 copies without any doubt. And you can be Top 100 selling 1,5k... Source? You can be top 100 without any physical copies at all. The song itself didn´t chart, because with no physical release (only download&streaming) there is no chance for Noel these days. All the pre-orderers of the "EP" received free BSD track downloads (which are much more valuable than streams). Still it didn't chart |
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