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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 19, 2018 11:58:08 GMT -5
People like to always say “whatever, Beady Eye was really Liam solo with a backing band.....”. That’s really not true. The three of them aren’t really up for writing a full album of tunes. Great guys but that is not their strengths. They divided up songwriting duties to extreme mixed results. Liam is a god damn brand people. He always should have been using his name. That changes everything. For the positive. I also have no issues with him having songwriters. I expect that stuff. Liam is at his best singing other people’s songs. And when they are GOOD songs he really shines. We saw that over the last year or so. Looking forward to more. I agree with you. You seem to miss my original point. Everyone listening to Beady eye was listening because it was Liam Gallagher. No one was listening to check out what the bloke from Heavy Stereo was getting up to these days. That's where it was Liam solo without the name. Agreed he should totally have done the solo stuff from the start. He was incredibly naive to think they could do it without his name. I kind of liked that though. It was 4 lads doing what they loved because they wanted to. Rather than the marketing machine Noel and Liams solo work had relied on. I liked their spirit of wanting to continue with a new name and do it all without Noel or Oasis’ help. Now that was always going to be a rough road to travel and a million challenges would impede them moving forward. Their biggest issue is one that plagued Oasis post 2000. LAG songs are generally spotty and the down side of all Oasis albums between 2002 and 2008. Now imagine having to deal with a full album of these issues? Not good. Once they started playing Oasis songs a year into their career I knew the band would be gone within 12-16 months. It cheapened them immediately and that is exactly what transpired. Granted a million others factors played into the breakup as well. But running back to established Noel songs was a bad look. He quit you guys. You guys said you didn’t need him or his songs. This wasn’t going to help the band long term.
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Post by crisppacket on Dec 19, 2018 16:25:24 GMT -5
Mad how these 2 think they’re the only siblings in the world to not get on ffs
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Post by GlastoEls on Dec 19, 2018 18:46:35 GMT -5
Mad how these 2 think they’re the only siblings in the world to not get on ffs They’re not even the only two brothers in the same immediate family who don’t get on!
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 19, 2018 21:41:42 GMT -5
That time line Noel presents doesn't seem right. He's talking nonsense.
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Post by fartpanic on Dec 20, 2018 1:28:25 GMT -5
I agree with you. You seem to miss my original point. Everyone listening to Beady eye was listening because it was Liam Gallagher. No one was listening to check out what the bloke from Heavy Stereo was getting up to these days. That's where it was Liam solo without the name. Agreed he should totally have done the solo stuff from the start. He was incredibly naive to think they could do it without his name. I kind of liked that though. It was 4 lads doing what they loved because they wanted to. Rather than the marketing machine Noel and Liams solo work had relied on. I liked their spirit of wanting to continue with a new name and do it all without Noel or Oasis’ help. Now that was always going to be a rough road to travel and a million challenges would impede them moving forward. Their biggest issue is one that plagued Oasis post 2000. LAG songs are generally spotty and the down side of all Oasis albums between 2002 and 2008. Now imagine having to deal with a full album of these issues? Not good. Once they started playing Oasis songs a year into their career I knew the band would be gone within 12-16 months. It cheapened them immediately and that is exactly what transpired. Granted a million others factors played into the breakup as well. But running back to established Noel songs was a bad look. He quit you guys. You guys said you didn’t need him or his songs. This wasn’t going to help the band long term. I feel like this is off topic. Liam didn't need Gem and Andy. But it was good of him to give the other 3 a job after Noel left them with nothing to do. All the stuff about whether the songs were good enough has been debated on here a thousand times. Personally I find myself coming back to Beady Eye songs quite a bit from time to time, probably more than i do High Flying Birds songs. So it's all a matter of opinion.
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Post by fartpanic on Dec 20, 2018 1:48:09 GMT -5
That time line Noel presents doesn't seem right. He's talking nonsense. I suppose hes trying to imply that Liam was possibly offered the record deal a long time before we all heard about it. Which is still bullshit. What i find strange is that he talks so much about why he hasn't spoken about Liam in this interview, and then goes on to talk about him quite a lot. Anyone would think he's seen Liams success and wants to shift a few of them Heaton Park tickets for next summer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 8:53:35 GMT -5
I think Andy and/or Gem have previously said publicly that Liam broke it up by text but that they already knew it was over and there weren't any hard feelings.
Liam's record deal came some time later, as Noel knows.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 8:56:05 GMT -5
If Noel told me it was raining outside I'd go out the house wearing sunglasses and shorts.
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Post by GlastoEls on Dec 20, 2018 10:53:04 GMT -5
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 20, 2018 10:55:22 GMT -5
Noel is a real bitch these days. Grumpy old man
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 20, 2018 11:21:15 GMT -5
Noel is a real bitch these days. Grumpy old man He really is.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Dec 20, 2018 12:25:41 GMT -5
me neither, just recall that Liam mentioned it as an issue that pissed him off. He obviously had expectations of a certain level of success and was finding it difficult to deal with reduced circumstances. Add his personal life falling to pieces it's not hard to see why he threw in the towel at that point. Do you blame him? Does anyone really miss Beady Eye? Literally everyone’s situation in the band has improved since it dissolved. Liam - big solo star Andy - back with his original band Ride, having a nice little comeback and tour Gem - touring with Noel’s band across the globe. Good paycheck. Chris - touring with Noel’s band across the globe. Good paycheck. Oasis fans - getting awesome solo albums by both brothers Oasis fans - get to stop pretending that Kill for a Dream, The Beat Goes On, Face The Crowd etc. are OK songs. Also get to wipe Andy Bell from our collective memories. My God I hate that vagina
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Dec 20, 2018 13:14:26 GMT -5
Do you blame him? Does anyone really miss Beady Eye? Literally everyone’s situation in the band has improved since it dissolved. Liam - big solo star Andy - back with his original band Ride, having a nice little comeback and tour Gem - touring with Noel’s band across the globe. Good paycheck. Chris - touring with Noel’s band across the globe. Good paycheck. Oasis fans - getting awesome solo albums by both brothers Oasis fans - get to stop pretending that Kill for a Dream, The Beat Goes On, Face The Crowd etc. are OK songs. Also get to wipe Andy Bell from our collective memories. My God I hate that vagina
LOL Why?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 20, 2018 13:23:44 GMT -5
Do you blame him? Does anyone really miss Beady Eye? Literally everyone’s situation in the band has improved since it dissolved. Liam - big solo star Andy - back with his original band Ride, having a nice little comeback and tour Gem - touring with Noel’s band across the globe. Good paycheck. Chris - touring with Noel’s band across the globe. Good paycheck. Oasis fans - getting awesome solo albums by both brothers Oasis fans - get to stop pretending that Kill for a Dream, The Beat Goes On, Face The Crowd etc. are OK songs. Also get to wipe Andy Bell from our collective memories. My God I hate that vagina Kill For A Dream and The Beat Goes On are two songs I can’t stand and never could. It just sounds like an Oasis parody band which is ironic because these guys use to be Oasis. I’d love to find the original thread with all the forum members giving their reviews for DGSS because there was some outrageous praise. Terms like “masterpiece” and “classic” being tossed around liberally. I’m sure 7 years later it’s priceless reading material.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 14:02:03 GMT -5
Oasis fans - get to stop pretending that Kill for a Dream, The Beat Goes On, Face The Crowd etc. are OK songs. Also get to wipe Andy Bell from our collective memories. My God I hate that vagina Kill For A Dream and The Beat Goes On are two songs I can’t stand and never could. It just sounds like an Oasis parody band which is ironic because these guys use to be Oasis. I’d love to find the original thread with all the forum members giving their reviews for DGSS because there was some outrageous praise. Terms like “masterpiece” and “classic” being tossed around liberally. I’m sure 7 years later it’s priceless reading material. This one is interesting... live4ever.proboards.com/thread/70419/dgss-hc
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 20, 2018 14:32:34 GMT -5
Do you blame him? Does anyone really miss Beady Eye? Literally everyone’s situation in the band has improved since it dissolved. Liam - big solo star Andy - back with his original band Ride, having a nice little comeback and tour Gem - touring with Noel’s band across the globe. Good paycheck. Chris - touring with Noel’s band across the globe. Good paycheck. Oasis fans - getting awesome solo albums by both brothers Oasis fans - get to stop pretending that Kill for a Dream, The Beat Goes On, Face The Crowd etc. are OK songs. Also get to wipe Andy Bell from our collective memories. My God I hate that vagina I like the breakdown on Face The Crowd tbh goes on too long though. What reason would you have to hate Andy Bell by most standards he seems like quite a decent bloke.
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 20, 2018 14:40:52 GMT -5
Oasis fans - get to stop pretending that Kill for a Dream, The Beat Goes On, Face The Crowd etc. are OK songs. Also get to wipe Andy Bell from our collective memories. My God I hate that vagina I like the breakdown on Face The Crowd tbh goes on too long though. What reason would you have to hate Andy Bell by most standards he seems like quite a decent bloke.I completely agree. He was nice when I met him, nicer than Gem. Andy was in shadow during his Oasis years. I think musically he's more talented than Gem Archer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 17:32:59 GMT -5
He's a liar and a class traitor. He was once my hero.
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 20, 2018 18:39:31 GMT -5
Oasis fans - get to stop pretending that Kill for a Dream, The Beat Goes On, Face The Crowd etc. are OK songs. Also get to wipe Andy Bell from our collective memories. My God I hate that vagina Kill For A Dream and The Beat Goes On are two songs I can’t stand and never could. It just sounds like an Oasis parody band which is ironic because these guys use to be Oasis. I’d love to find the original thread with all the forum members giving their reviews for DGSS because there was some outrageous praise. Terms like “masterpiece” and “classic” being tossed around liberally. I’m sure 7 years later it’s priceless reading material. i remember this! id like to see that thread aswell. i also remember the outburst after the second album. this forum was a warzone, some members left and started their own oasis board. i still got that message
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Post by scorpiosonic on Dec 20, 2018 22:31:50 GMT -5
So I just read this (below) excerpt from Noel's interview.
This actually hit me hard. I had tickets to one of Noel's acoustic gigs during Oasis, and couldn't go due to a terrible family emergency.
When Oasis split, I thought the one good thing to come out of it would be a beautiful acoustic record that would move the world.
Looks like that may never happen.
P.S. Why play a song live if you don't believe in it?
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"The album (Who Built The Moon) was finished, it was coming out, but it was an interesting position to be in (the mixed reaction to Holy Mountain). There was the acoustic track, Dead In The Water, and after [Chasing Yesterday] came out someone said, "You've got to do an acoustic record." I've never done an acoustic record, so I booked a studio for two weeks, and I'm sitting there with an acoustic, the one I wrote Wonderwall on, with fans all over the world saying, "This is what you should be doing." The management are saying, "That's a great song, it makes me cry." Then I thought, I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing it for other people. I want to get back to the [David Holmes] record, I want a drum machine from the '70s to put through an amplifier; I want to play bass".
"So I scrapped that acoustic session on the second day. The engineer said, "Is that it?" "Yeah." "We haven't done anything." "I know"... The only reason Dead In The Water was captured was because I didn't know it was being recorded. I won't ever re-record it, because I don't believe in it any more. David said, "You're the best f**king person in the world at doing that stuff, but you've already done it." He was right".
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Post by scorpiosonic on Dec 20, 2018 22:34:05 GMT -5
The answer as to why, I suppose, is that Noel feels the need to distance himself from his beginnings.
It's no longer enough for him to be a guy with just a guitar... to me that was what made him a legend
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"Is there a point where you emerge as Noel Gallagher, artiste?"
"(Laughs) I did six months promo before (Who Built The Moon?) came out and I had to say to myself one night in a hotel room, "you've become an artist!" I had to say it to myself "you're not the kid from the council estate with a guitar over your shoulder anymore. (Manc cabbie voice) He did well for himself that lad with the guitar, fucking great one, mate!" (Laughs) So yes, I'm an artist now. I need to buy a scarf and hat."
With our interview time nearing its end, and his point hammered home, Gallagher switches the subject to what comes next. He is, he says, starting work on a new record with David Holmes in January, while also demoing material at Abbey Road for a High Flying Birds touring-band album, on which he hopes to push its female members - Charlotte Marionneau, backing singer YSEE, [AKA Audrey Gbaguidi] and keyboardist Jessica Greenfield - to the fore. He predicts the latter LP will be finished first.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 20, 2018 22:40:18 GMT -5
The answer as to why, I suppose, is that Noel feels the need to distance himself from his beginnings. It's no longer enough for him to be a guy with just a guitar... to me that was what made him a legend -- "Is there a point where you emerge as Noel Gallagher, artiste?" "(Laughs) I did six months promo before (Who Built The Moon?) came out and I had to say to myself one night in a hotel room, "you've become an artist!" I had to say it to myself "you're not the kid from the council estate with a guitar over your shoulder anymore. (Manc cabbie voice) He did well for himself that lad with the guitar, fucking great one, mate!" (Laughs) So yes, I'm an artist now. I need to buy a scarf and hat." With our interview time nearing its end, and his point hammered home, Gallagher switches the subject to what comes next. He is, he says, starting work on a new record with David Holmes in January, while also demoing material at Abbey Road for a High Flying Birds touring-band album, on which he hopes to push its female members - Charlotte Marionneau, backing singer YSEE, [AKA Audrey Gbaguidi] and keyboardist Jessica Greenfield - to the fore. He predicts the latter LP will be finished first. I mean Noel could just do a simple acoustic record. Just put it out. Couple gigs. No tour. It doesn’t have to be a huge draw out affair all the time. Then he could do his Holmes record as his proper follow up. Noel’s gotta get over these long drawn out massive flagging routine. Got something to say? Record it. Release it. Move on.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 20, 2018 22:47:01 GMT -5
The answer as to why, I suppose, is that Noel feels the need to distance himself from his beginnings. It's no longer enough for him to be a guy with just a guitar... to me that was what made him a legend -- "Is there a point where you emerge as Noel Gallagher, artiste?" "(Laughs) I did six months promo before (Who Built The Moon?) came out and I had to say to myself one night in a hotel room, "you've become an artist!" I had to say it to myself "you're not the kid from the council estate with a guitar over your shoulder anymore. (Manc cabbie voice) He did well for himself that lad with the guitar, fucking great one, mate!" (Laughs) So yes, I'm an artist now. I need to buy a scarf and hat." With our interview time nearing its end, and his point hammered home, Gallagher switches the subject to what comes next. He is, he says, starting work on a new record with David Holmes in January, while also demoing material at Abbey Road for a High Flying Birds touring-band album, on which he hopes to push its female members - Charlotte Marionneau, backing singer YSEE, [AKA Audrey Gbaguidi] and keyboardist Jessica Greenfield - to the fore. He predicts the latter LP will be finished first. I mean Noel could just do a simple acoustic record. Just put it out. Couple gigs. No tour. It doesn’t have to be a huge draw out affair all the time. Then he could do his Holmes record as his proper follow up. Noel’s gotta get over these long drawn out massive flagging routine. Got something to say? Record it. Release it. Move on. A whole album of minimalist Dead In The Water's?
YES PLEASE.
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Post by chamu on Dec 21, 2018 3:52:05 GMT -5
I can´t understand why a "51 years old man" who is a genius just with his guitar&his voice would need to experiment with another kind of music. Well, yes, you could experiment for yourself, for personal enjoyment, BUT you should know your limitations. And, for me, Noel is mediocre at best when he tries to evolve his compositions. There are loads of groups who create experimental music that i´d listen to before the WBTM record and his futures releases if he continues with his obsessed idea of being cool, modern and an "artist".
Noel, you´re a fucking artist right now and ten years ago too. You´ve written loads of anthemic and timeless songs. But, you´re now surrounded by a great amount of ass-kissers who just praise everything you do. Just remember that if you´re a fucking millionaire right now is ONLY because that man with his guitar who wrote incredible songs like "Don´t look back in anger" or "champagne supernova", and for the Oasis fans who adore you&your brother
For me, and this is the worst thing, you´ve became in an unbearable prick these days.
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Post by mossy on Dec 21, 2018 13:11:37 GMT -5
Who the fuck is Andy Bell? X
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