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Post by powerage09 on Jan 12, 2021 15:01:10 GMT -5
Listened to SOTSOG today, still love it.
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Post by walterglass on Jan 12, 2021 16:19:15 GMT -5
The biggest missed opportunity since....Be here now I'd agree. Even if they had even released a more concise version of what they had (both sonically and structurally) they would've had the world by the balls in 1997. It sucks that they weren't able to focus and let their success get the best of them in what, ironically, brought them to the end of their globetrotting success. A lot of people defend BHN on here but it is just too long and too bloated. By the time Fade In-Out and Be Here Now come around, your ears are tired and you just don't want to have any more of it, especially if you're not in the right mood. Something as simple as replacing Magic Pie with Stay Young and then trimming the songs down structurally and sonically would've been far better than what we got. Step forward Owen Morris. All he had to do was put the same shift in that he’d done on their earlier stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 16:59:56 GMT -5
Listened to SOTSOG today, still love it. Did the same yesterday. I dont love it but its a solid record.
The three stinkers really bring it down though.
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Post by powerage09 on Jan 12, 2021 17:44:35 GMT -5
Listened to SOTSOG today, still love it. Did the same yesterday. I dont love it but its a solid record. The three stinkers really bring it down though.
Assuming your stinkers are I can see a liar, Put your money and Little James? I love the first two, but Little James is poor. All 3 do have very poor lyrics in my opinion, I wonder if there was a bit more to the lyrics whether those songs could have been saved for many. I don't remember my dad buying the albums before it but I was with him when he bought SOTSOG and Wembley was first gig so always a special album for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 1:34:54 GMT -5
Did the same yesterday. I dont love it but its a solid record. The three stinkers really bring it down though.
Assuming your stinkers are I can see a liar, Put your money and Little James? I love the first two, but Little James is poor. All 3 do have very poor lyrics in my opinion, I wonder if there was a bit more to the lyrics whether those songs could have been saved for many. I don't remember my dad buying the albums before it but I was with him when he bought SOTSOG and Wembley was first gig so always a special album for me. Yeah, I mean those 3. Outside the terrible lyrics, the songs don’t bother me that much when listening through the album once per year but especially the 2 rockers are so uninspired. If I listen to the album more often, I find it hard not to skip those. Given that I only really like Let’s all make believe as a b side from that era (cigarettes in hell and one way road don’t do much for me) , it’s not difficult to see that Noel was really struggling for Songs. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 13, 2021 3:00:23 GMT -5
yeah but Little By Little, Force Of Nature, Let There Be Love and Idler's Dream were already written. Liam could have sung these anyway
and the classic FOR ONE SO YOUNG
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 13, 2021 12:28:17 GMT -5
yeah but Little By Little, Force Of Nature, Let There Be Love and Idler's Dream were already written. Liam could have sung these anyway and the classic FOR ONE SO YOUNGI’m told that song fucks. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 13, 2021 14:19:58 GMT -5
Little James isn't one of Liam's best written songs but it was his first attempt at song writing and it could have been much worse than what it is.
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 13, 2021 14:40:08 GMT -5
yeah but Little By Little, Force Of Nature, Let There Be Love and Idler's Dream were already written. Liam could have sung these anyway and the classic FOR ONE SO YOUNG This is true. Even abandoning my admittedly fanciful concept of a 2002 comeback album complete with both a dark sound and hit singles, you can still make a much better record from the songs available in 2000: 1. Fuckin' in the Bushes 2. Go Let it Out 3. Who Feels Love? 4. Little by Little 5. Let's All Make Believe 6. Gas Panic! 7. Where Did it All Go Wrong? 8. Sunday Morning Call 9. Idler's Dream 10. Roll it Over I know what people will say - that's too many Noel-sung tracks! But that's another point you could improve 00's Oasis with; get Liam to sing more tunes! For me, he should have sang Little by Little, Sunday Morning Call, and yes, even Where Did it All Go Wrong. I mean, it's Liam Gallagher! Imagine his 2000 vocals giving it that "and ain't it bittah-sweeeettt, you were only just gettin' by!". I'll give Noel Idler's Dream because it feels very personal and intimate, but all the others can bring that sweet Noel-written, Liam-sang magic. |
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Post by World71R on Jan 13, 2021 20:01:33 GMT -5
I'd agree. Even if they had even released a more concise version of what they had (both sonically and structurally) they would've had the world by the balls in 1997. It sucks that they weren't able to focus and let their success get the best of them in what, ironically, brought them to the end of their globetrotting success. A lot of people defend BHN on here but it is just too long and too bloated. By the time Fade In-Out and Be Here Now come around, your ears are tired and you just don't want to have any more of it, especially if you're not in the right mood. Something as simple as replacing Magic Pie with Stay Young and then trimming the songs down structurally and sonically would've been far better than what we got. Step forward Owen Morris. All he had to do was put the same shift in that he’d done on their earlier stuff. Very true but I believe wholeheartedly that he had a coked-up Noel breathing down his neck and cocaine in his system that it resulted in the album we got. Had it been the same circumstances, top to bottom, as MG, it would've been a far better album. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 14, 2021 14:02:29 GMT -5
Actually I'm glad that Owen Morris didn't produce Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants as I doubt very much that the album would have been any better. Infact I don't think that his production would really fit the songs and I think he's more suited for the first three albums.
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Post by garylineker on Jan 15, 2021 6:33:05 GMT -5
Actually I'm glad that Owen Morris didn't produce Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants as I doubt very much that the album would have been any better. Infact I don't think that his production would really fit the songs and I think he's more suited for the first three albums. The production side of it was great. It's the songs it lacked. It's the first Oasis album where you can hear the bass and all the instruments. It's probably the biggest tragedy in the timeline of Oasis that this album didnt sell well. It was Noel putting a bookmark to the first 3 albums and trying a new mature and inventive sound. The fact it sold so poorly made him panic and go back to trying to recreate Morning Glory with Heathen Chemistry. Glad we got the 4 great singles but the rest dated so badly. |
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jan 15, 2021 8:40:00 GMT -5
Its too drab and has far too much Noel on it. The highs are 'quite good' rather than classics and the lows are appallingly bad. There are some good B-sides from that era but even they aren't particularly uplifting. Its not one I listen too much.
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 15, 2021 14:21:12 GMT -5
Actually I'm glad that Owen Morris didn't produce Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants as I doubt very much that the album would have been any better. Infact I don't think that his production would really fit the songs and I think he's more suited for the first three albums. The production side of it was great. It's the songs it lacked. It's the first Oasis album where you can hear the bass and all the instruments. It's probably the biggest tragedy in the timeline of Oasis that this album didnt sell well. It was Noel putting a bookmark to the first 3 albums and trying a new mature and inventive sound. The fact it sold so poorly made him panic and go back to trying to recreate Morning Glory with Heathen Chemistry. Glad we got the 4 great singles but the rest dated so badly. Oh I agree that the production side of the album is great. As for the songs themselves, it's only Little James, Put Yer Money Where Your Mouth Is and I Can See A Liar which are really bad all of the others aren't too bad. Although, the best songs on it are Gas Panic, Where Did It All Go Wrong and Roll It Over. I like Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love and Sunday Morning Call but the latter should've been shorter and all three songs work better live. |
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Post by beentherenow on Jan 15, 2021 14:55:30 GMT -5
I know I’m in the minority and I’ve written at great lengths on here about how much I love this album (in fact i think my 2nd ever post was an essay on how much I rate SOTSOG) but I really don’t think the three duds are that bad.
Are they Some Might Say or Slide Away? No. But I could easily name 10 Oasis songs which followed which are worse than all three. ICSAL is a decent rock song with an unfortunate rhyming couplet which lets it down and Little James is actually melodically and sound wise a good song but again let down by some very memorable lines. PYMWYMI admittedly should have been left off for LAMB and they should have found room for a number of some other great songs Noel had written by this point but IMO Gas Panic and Roll It Over on their own are better than the last three albums. Add Fuckin in The Bushes, Go Let It Out, Where Did All Go Wrong and Who Feels Love, how it’s produced and it’s a bloody great album
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 15, 2021 16:01:29 GMT -5
SOTSOG isn't as easy listening as either DM or MG, it wouldn't sell as well, Go Let It Out isn't as catchy as Roll With It or even Lyla, and to think that Who Feels Love? was supposed to be the Stand by Me or Wonderwall of the album, it wouldn't work too psychedelic for that, the album is just not what people were expecting from them, they wanted another MG.
When Noel said that they didn't have the songs at the time - they had great songs btw - Noel was talking about his more pop acessible material like Roll With it, Stand By Me, RNRS..., HC has SCYHO and Sorngbird, DBTT has Lyla and TIOBI, SOTSOG however has none of it.
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Post by Aman on Jan 15, 2021 19:23:16 GMT -5
I like the album, but like all of the albums post-BHN it's got obvious problems. But it is the best Noughties Oasis album. (I'd say DOYS has the best highs though or best run on any 2000s album)
I've actually got a soft spot for both ICSAL and PYMWYMI, if they both come on my shuffle I always enjoy them. But they of course aren't great and have obvious problems.
I can't stand Little James and Sunday Morning Call. Staggering SMC was released as a single, no wonder the public didn't resonate with the album lol with rubbish like that being released. If it wasn't for Let There Be Love it'd be comfortably the worst Oasis single of all time.
Who Feels Love? is alright but I wouldn't say i love it. But I like the fact it's something different, same with FITB.
I adore GP, GLIO, RIO and WDIAGW.
In hindsight, the album is seen of as much better of course with how bleh HC and DBTT were. And the problems DOYS had in it's 2nd half.
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Post by matt on Jan 17, 2021 18:06:14 GMT -5
I like the album, but like all of the albums post-BHN it's got obvious problems. But it is the best Noughties Oasis album. (I'd say DOYS has the best highs though or best run on any 2000s album) I've actually got a soft spot for both ICSAL and PYMWYMI, if they both come on my shuffle I always enjoy them. But they of course aren't great and have obvious problems. I can't stand Little James and Sunday Morning Call. Staggering SMC was released as a single, no wonder the public didn't resonate with the album lol with rubbish like that being released. If it wasn't for Let There Be Love it'd be comfortably the worst Oasis single of all time. Who Feels Love? is alright but I wouldn't say i love it. But I like the fact it's something different, same with FITB. I adore GP, GLIO, RIO and WDIAGW. In hindsight, the album is seen of as much better of course with how bleh HC and DBTT were. And the problems DOYS had in it's 2nd half. Put Yer Money isn't that bad, it's much better than I Can See A Liar personally. Of all the mental decisions Noel has taken over the years though, not placing Let's All Make Believe on the album is beyond me. You could understand it with the likes of The Masterplan because the times were overflowing with great tunes. But how Noel thought a lot of the far far inferior songs on Giants were superior is almost anxiety inducing. |
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Post by garylineker on Jan 17, 2021 19:04:03 GMT -5
It isnt that bad of an album but what people have to remember is this was a band the critics were ready to hang out to dry when they released Morning Glory. It was only because that album was so undeniably good and popular that the attack was put off until 2000.
It isnt good enough as an Oasis album. There's far too much lack of inspiration from Noel. Put Yer Money where Yer Mouth is just blatantly lifting the melody off Roadhouse Blues and then repeating itself for instance is just lazy. There's a lack of true singles, which HC did deliver on and its just a bad time for Oasis in general.
It was also the start of Noel purposely leaving off stronger tracks for b-sides. I think early on it was naivety and the album tracks were so good anyway so who cared. Now it was like purposely putting a spotlight on the singles tracklisting quality but the albums had some real stinkers. And i had the word stinker.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 17, 2021 22:15:27 GMT -5
It isnt that bad of an album but what people have to remember is this was a band the critics were ready to hang out to dry when they released Morning Glory. It was only because that album was so undeniably good and popular that the attack was put off until 2000. It isnt good enough as an Oasis album. There's far too much lack of inspiration from Noel. Put Yer Money where Yer Mouth is just blatantly lifting the melody off Roadhouse Blues and then repeating itself for instance is just lazy. There's a lack of true singles, which HC did deliver on and its just a bad time for Oasis in general. It was also the start of Noel purposely leaving off stronger tracks for b-sides. I think early on it was naivety and the album tracks were so good anyway so who cared. Now it was like purposely putting a spotlight on the singles tracklisting quality but the albums had some real stinkers. And i had the word stinker. Oh it didn’t take until 2000. Be Here Now was racked over the coals not long after its release and initial good reviews. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Jan 18, 2021 9:06:40 GMT -5
I like the album, but like all of the albums post-BHN it's got obvious problems. But it is the best Noughties Oasis album. (I'd say DOYS has the best highs though or best run on any 2000s album) I've actually got a soft spot for both ICSAL and PYMWYMI, if they both come on my shuffle I always enjoy them. But they of course aren't great and have obvious problems. I can't stand Little James and Sunday Morning Call. Staggering SMC was released as a single, no wonder the public didn't resonate with the album lol with rubbish like that being released. If it wasn't for Let There Be Love it'd be comfortably the worst Oasis single of all time. Who Feels Love? is alright but I wouldn't say i love it. But I like the fact it's something different, same with FITB. I adore GP, GLIO, RIO and WDIAGW. In hindsight, the album is seen of as much better of course with how bleh HC and DBTT were. And the problems DOYS had in it's 2nd half. Put Yer Money isn't that bad, it's much better than I Can See A Liar personally. Of all the mental decisions Noel has taken over the years though, not placing Let's All Make Believe on the album is beyond me. You could understand it with the likes of The Masterplan because the times were overflowing with great tunes. But how Noel thought a lot of the far far inferior songs on Giants were superior is almost anxiety inducing. Noel himself admitted he went through a period after MG where he couldn’t judge his own songs in terms of quality - explains a lot. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 18, 2021 9:12:28 GMT -5
Put Yer Money isn't that bad, it's much better than I Can See A Liar personally. Of all the mental decisions Noel has taken over the years though, not placing Let's All Make Believe on the album is beyond me. You could understand it with the likes of The Masterplan because the times were overflowing with great tunes. But how Noel thought a lot of the far far inferior songs on Giants were superior is almost anxiety inducing. Noel himself admitted he went through a period after MG where he couldn’t judge his own songs in terms of quality - explains a lot. Cocaine is a hell of a drug. |
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Post by World71R on Jan 18, 2021 23:21:27 GMT -5
Noel himself admitted he went through a period after MG where he couldn’t judge his own songs in terms of quality - explains a lot. Cocaine is a hell of a drug. As are pills. To paraphrase Noel, pills are worse than cocaine because they come from a doctor and are legal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 11:36:27 GMT -5
SOTSOG isn't as easy listening as either DM or MG, it wouldn't sell as well, Go Let It Out isn't as catchy as Roll With It or even Lyla, and to think that Who Feels Love? was supposed to be the Stand by Me or Wonderwall of the album, it wouldn't work too psychedelic for that, the album is just not what people were expecting from them, they wanted another MG. When Noel said that they didn't have the songs at the time - they had great songs btw - Noel was talking about his more pop acessible material like Roll With it, Stand By Me, RNRS..., HC has SCYHO and Sorngbird, DBTT has Lyla and TIOBI, SOTSOG however has none of it. Funny that you mention it because I prefer Go Let It Out to Roll With It nowadays and it aint close |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 13:48:32 GMT -5
Of all the mental decisions Noel has taken over the years though, not placing Let's All Make Believe on the album is beyond me. You could understand it with the likes of The Masterplan because the times were overflowing with great tunes. But how Noel thought a lot of the far far inferior songs on Giants were superior is almost anxiety inducing. Noel himself admitted he went through a period after MG where he couldn’t judge his own songs in terms of quality - explains a lot. Even if Noel didn't think Let's All Make Believe was anything special, he should have realised it when Liam sang it, it sounds amazing. |
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