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Post by ossieoss30 on Feb 27, 2020 13:32:00 GMT -5
1) Fuckin in the Bushes 2) Go Let It Out 3) Where Did It All Go Wrong? 4) The Girl In The Dirty Shirt 5) Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is 6) Gas Panic 7) Sunday Morning Call 8) Let’s All Make Believe 9) Who Feels Love? 10) Little James 11) I Hope, I Think, I Know 12) Roll It Over And bizarrely, I listen to this album/playlist more than DM and MG. This might be the most bizarre revised tracklisting I've seen on here, with the possible exception of that guy who replaced Wonderwall with It's Better People on Morning Glory. Lol. It’s really not that bizarre. I can’t listen to Be Here Now all the way through as I like my albums 45-60 mins. So I took out two songs. I like the songs though so put them on the next album which I thought was lacking a bit of attitude - as a youngster I remember being disappointed in the length and lack of spark of the band when I listened to this album. Time has been kind though and I now love some of these tunes. I Can See A Liar is still not good though and Let’s All Make Believe is great. It’s a really good listen this way. |
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Post by oasisunited on Feb 27, 2020 16:06:36 GMT -5
I guess my point is Teotihuacan was already a fully formed and a released track with plenty of attention from being on a summer block buster x files movie coming hot off the heels of BHN. For me it’s weird for him to take it and apply it to SOTSOG two years later. Force of Nature like you said was a demo, I don’t believe it was on the album and the hype for that faded rather quickly. I don’t think most USA fans even knew of its existence since we couldn’t see the film. Ok I better understand what you're saying. What you describe is a fair enough argument for excluding 'Teotihuacan' from the final album but ultimately, with the points I previously stated, I believe it should still be considered as part of the 'SOTSOG' era. I think it's possible to argue for independence from any era but I believe the 'SOTSOG' case is stronger and the 'BHN' one is pretty non existent. I could have sworn at the time that I remember the rumors that Teotihuacan was worked on during the BHN sessions, but not finished until later. However, the fact that it was NOT included on the BHN re-issue as an extra track probably points to the fact that it was not part of those sessions and rather something Noel tinkered on during/around the BHN world tour and/or finished it up when approached later that year about contributing to the X-Files soundtrack after famously turning down the Trainspotting soundtrack a few years earlier. What's the lead time for movie soundtracks? Six months maybe? That would probably put him at being approached in the second half of 1997. It definitely would have been given over to the movie (released June, 1998) long before Noel started putting together demos for what would become SOTSOG (he entered the studio in October 1998 to record demos). |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 27, 2020 16:37:22 GMT -5
Ok I better understand what you're saying. What you describe is a fair enough argument for excluding 'Teotihuacan' from the final album but ultimately, with the points I previously stated, I believe it should still be considered as part of the 'SOTSOG' era. I think it's possible to argue for independence from any era but I believe the 'SOTSOG' case is stronger and the 'BHN' one is pretty non existent. I could have sworn at the time that I remember the rumors that Teotihuacan was worked on during the BHN sessions, but not finished until later. However, the fact that it was NOT included on the BHN re-issue as an extra track probably points to the fact that it was not part of those sessions and rather something Noel tinkered on during/around the BHN world tour and/or finished it up when approached later that year about contributing to the X-Files soundtrack after famously turning down the Trainspotting soundtrack a few years earlier. What's the lead time for movie soundtracks? Six months maybe? That would probably put him at being approached in the second half of 1997. It definitely would have been given over to the movie (released June, 1998) long before Noel started putting together demos for what would become SOTSOG (he entered the studio in October 1998 to record demos). This would be news to me but not implausible. Noel did write a number of short instrumentals for 'Be Here Now' to go between tracks but they were ultimately abandoned so as not to make the album a double LP which would have cost more for fans to purchase. Perhaps the 3:35 instrumental track which at the last moment replaced the 'Trip Inside' demo (and indeed passed off as the track) from the 'Be Here Now' reissue (because it contained an uncleared Rolling Stones sample) was a sketch of one of these tracks. It has slightly more of a 'Teotihuacan' feel about it than the other songs of the 'Be Here Now' era. I'm not sure how much lead time was needed for its release on the X-Files soundtrack but I'd have thought at least a few months. One of the clues to this is that 'Teotihuacan' was recorded at Air Studios in London. The 'Be Here Now' tour schedule is pretty busy but there are time periods as to when it could have happened. I think it's safe to assume that the track was at the very least titled 'Teotihuacan' after Noel's visit in late March 1998 but it could have written and recorded before then. On a side note where does the Oct 1998 date come from? |
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Post by oasisunited on Feb 27, 2020 16:50:44 GMT -5
I could have sworn at the time that I remember the rumors that Teotihuacan was worked on during the BHN sessions, but not finished until later. However, the fact that it was NOT included on the BHN re-issue as an extra track probably points to the fact that it was not part of those sessions and rather something Noel tinkered on during/around the BHN world tour and/or finished it up when approached later that year about contributing to the X-Files soundtrack after famously turning down the Trainspotting soundtrack a few years earlier. What's the lead time for movie soundtracks? Six months maybe? That would probably put him at being approached in the second half of 1997. It definitely would have been given over to the movie (released June, 1998) long before Noel started putting together demos for what would become SOTSOG (he entered the studio in October 1998 to record demos). This would be news to me but not implausible. Noel did write a number of short instrumentals for 'Be Here Now' to go between tracks but they were ultimately abandoned so as not to make the album a double LP which would have cost more for fans to purchase. Perhaps the 3:35 instrumental track which at the last moment replaced the 'Trip Inside' demo (and indeed passed off as the track) from the 'Be Here Now' reissue (because it contained an uncleared Rolling Stones sample) was a sketch of one of these tracks. It has slightly more of a 'Teotihuacan' feel about it than the other songs of the 'Be Here Now' era. I'm not sure how much lead time was needed for its release on the X-Files soundtrack but I'd have thought at least a few months. One of the clues to this is that 'Teotihuacan' was recorded at Air Studios in London. The 'Be Here Now' tour schedule is pretty busy but there are time periods as to when it could have happened. I think it's safe to assume that the track was at the very least titled 'Teotihuacan' after Noel's visit in late March 1998 but it could have written and recorded before then. On a side note where does the Oct 1998 date come from? Yeah...I'm not discounting your research, as it is probably more accurate than my fuzzy memory. That being said, I wouldn't put too much stock in the name of the track dating it, as he could have easily had it knocking around/under a different name, then heard the name 'Teotihuacan' while in Mexico and thought "that will do". The October 1998 date originally came from Stuart Epps, the engineer at Wheeler End Studios who helped Noel lay down the first demos for SOTSOG (I believe it may even be the cassette tape you posted before). I am having a hard time finding the source material, as his site is now down, but I believe he said it was late 1998 (not sure where I saw/got the October date from -- will try to track it down and update). |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 27, 2020 16:56:18 GMT -5
This would be news to me but not implausible. Noel did write a number of short instrumentals for 'Be Here Now' to go between tracks but they were ultimately abandoned so as not to make the album a double LP which would have cost more for fans to purchase. Perhaps the 3:35 instrumental track which at the last moment replaced the 'Trip Inside' demo (and indeed passed off as the track) from the 'Be Here Now' reissue (because it contained an uncleared Rolling Stones sample) was a sketch of one of these tracks. It has slightly more of a 'Teotihuacan' feel about it than the other songs of the 'Be Here Now' era. I'm not sure how much lead time was needed for its release on the X-Files soundtrack but I'd have thought at least a few months. One of the clues to this is that 'Teotihuacan' was recorded at Air Studios in London. The 'Be Here Now' tour schedule is pretty busy but there are time periods as to when it could have happened. I think it's safe to assume that the track was at the very least titled 'Teotihuacan' after Noel's visit in late March 1998 but it could have written and recorded before then.On a side note where does the Oct 1998 date come from? Yeah...I'm not discounting your research, as it is probably more accurate than my fuzzy memory. That being said, I wouldn't put too much stock in the name of the track dating it, as he could have easily had it knocking around/under a different name, then heard the name 'Teotihuacan' while in Mexico and thought "that will do".
The October 1998 date originally came from Stuart Epps, the engineer at Wheeler End Studios who helped Noel lay down the first demos for SOTSOG (I believe it may even be the cassette tape you posted before). I am having a hard time finding the source material, as his site is now down, but I believe he said it was late 1998 (not sure where I saw/got the October date from -- will try to track it down and update). Oh I agree, it's what I was implying in the above post (as highlighted). And thanks for the 98 info, if you stumble across anything let me know! |
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Post by megyesitomate on Feb 27, 2020 19:21:50 GMT -5
Happy birthday!!!
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Post by megyesitomate on Feb 27, 2020 21:29:51 GMT -5
Also, can I just say how fucking brilliant the album cover is? So fitting and so aesthetic. Love the single covers, the album booklet and the stage visuals too. My favourite album period in terms of visuals after DOYS.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 27, 2020 22:43:08 GMT -5
Also, can I just say how fucking brilliant the album cover is? So fitting and so aesthetic. Love the single covers, the album booklet and the stage visuals too. My favourite album period in terms of visuals after DOYS. I like the album artwork and GLIO cover. After that I’m just ok with it. SMC cover was awful. |
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Feb 27, 2020 23:30:46 GMT -5
If Bonehead and Guigsy weren't left the band, GLIO artwork would be Oasis playing soccer, not kids.
I heard it somewhere.
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Post by World71R on Feb 28, 2020 0:35:01 GMT -5
Here's the alternate SOTSOG from PYMWYMI onward to the closer SCYHO:
https://voca.ro/6MnJXHdJViH
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Post by lg on Feb 28, 2020 3:35:47 GMT -5
Happy birthday sotsog
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 28, 2020 7:02:24 GMT -5
I wish I remember when the leak day was? Crazy day for me. Getting home from high school. Going on “the net” and visiting primitive Oasis forums. Then trying to download the entire album via dial up modem connection. Took hours and hours but I got the bastard!
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Post by oasisunited on Feb 28, 2020 10:51:27 GMT -5
Yeah...I'm not discounting your research, as it is probably more accurate than my fuzzy memory. That being said, I wouldn't put too much stock in the name of the track dating it, as he could have easily had it knocking around/under a different name, then heard the name 'Teotihuacan' while in Mexico and thought "that will do".
The October 1998 date originally came from Stuart Epps, the engineer at Wheeler End Studios who helped Noel lay down the first demos for SOTSOG (I believe it may even be the cassette tape you posted before). I am having a hard time finding the source material, as his site is now down, but I believe he said it was late 1998 (not sure where I saw/got the October date from -- will try to track it down and update). Oh I agree, it's what I was implying in the above post (as highlighted). And thanks for the 98 info, if you stumble across anything let me know! Here is the source for the October 5th date: Based on other evidence, this could be the home studio sessions he did with Mark Coyle and Paul Stacey. However, the fact that it says "outside London" is probably referring to Wheeler End Studios, which were in Buckinghamshire county. My guess is that they learned their lessons from the BHN sessions (not to advertise the actual studio) to avoid leaks, etc. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 28, 2020 13:10:59 GMT -5
Oh I agree, it's what I was implying in the above post (as highlighted). And thanks for the 98 info, if you stumble across anything let me know! Here is the source for the October 5th date: Based on other evidence, this could be the home studio sessions he did with Mark Coyle and Paul Stacey. However, the fact that it says "outside London" is probably referring to Wheeler End Studios, which were in Buckinghamshire county. My guess is that they learned their lessons from the BHN sessions (not to advertise the actual studio) to avoid leaks, etc. Excellent. Thanks very much. Some 'Teotihuacan' & interesting demo stuff from the same site: |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Feb 28, 2020 14:32:52 GMT -5
SOTSOG was the first Oasis album I remember (born in 1993). I absolutely loved Little James as a 7 year old and it still holds a place in my heart.
Fuckin' in the Bushes - Top, top song.
Go Let it Out - A song that most British bands of the 2000s would give their right arm to have written. Had the Libertines written it, it would be their best ever song.
Gas Panic! - One of Oasis' best tunes. Ever.
Roll it Over - Hands down the most underrated track in the Oasis catalogue. Should have been a single.
Happy Birthday SOTSOG. If Be Here Now got a reissue, then so should you.
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Post by megyesitomate on Feb 28, 2020 21:46:28 GMT -5
Also, can I just say how fucking brilliant the album cover is? So fitting and so aesthetic. Love the single covers, the album booklet and the stage visuals too. My favourite album period in terms of visuals after DOYS. I like the album artwork and GLIO cover. After that I’m just ok with it. SMC cover was awful. Well, I like it just because of the purple bit. That's one underrated colour. Also, your profile pic always reminds me of it, so there's that. On a side note: how beautiful is that promo VHS for Who Feels Love? in the bottom left corner?! Absolutely fabulous stuff. http://instagram.com/p/Bvdqlxgg5XP |
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 28, 2020 22:03:32 GMT -5
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Post by mystoryisgory on Feb 29, 2020 4:41:45 GMT -5
My relationship with Teotihuacan has changed a lot over the years. I used to think it was a work of genius, and indeed it still stands out as unique in the Gallagher discography for its daring embrace of electronic textures, but after dipping my feet quite deep into many forms of electronic music, these days it feels tame and a mere shadow of its influences.
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Post by thomuk2006 on Feb 29, 2020 6:02:24 GMT -5
Is Teotihuacan on Spotify?? Can't seem to find it.
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Post by 005 on Mar 2, 2020 2:51:21 GMT -5
I like this LP though only 3 songs are just pretty woeful on there, it's easy to figure those out, LJ, ICSAL & PYMWYMI, had it been subbed with some of better B Sides, it would have been alot better, but they had to get over the Black Cloud of BHN.
I think Gas Panic is epic. Lyrically this was better step away from the previous 3 LP's including how it was produced.
Though it was not toured properly because only 3 songs were played from it which were 'LIVE' though SMC was a single around the UK tour it did not see light of day??
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Post by bt95 on Mar 2, 2020 5:28:15 GMT -5
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Post by jh on Mar 2, 2020 6:33:52 GMT -5
This might be the most bizarre revised tracklisting I've seen on here, with the possible exception of that guy who replaced Wonderwall with It's Better People on Morning Glory. Lol. It’s really not that bizarre. I can’t listen to Be Here Now all the way through as I like my albums 45-60 mins. So I took out two songs. I like the songs though so put them on the next album which I thought was lacking a bit of attitude - as a youngster I remember being disappointed in the length and lack of spark of the band when I listened to this album. Time has been kind though and I now love some of these tunes. I Can See A Liar is still not good though and Let’s All Make Believe is great. It’s a really good listen this way. Let's all make believe...hands one of my fav ever Oasis tunes. So thought provoking and deeply removed from the usual tracks of that era |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 2, 2020 8:00:57 GMT -5
That’s rock n roll mister!  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 2, 2020 8:04:04 GMT -5
I like this LP though only 3 songs are just pretty woeful on there, it's easy to figure those out, LJ, ICSAL & PYMWYMI, had it been subbed with some of better B Sides, it would have been alot better, but they had to get over the Black Cloud of BHN. I think Gas Panic is epic. Lyrically this was better step away from the previous 3 LP's including how it was produced. Though it was not toured properly because only 3 songs were played from it which were 'LIVE' though SMC was a single around the UK tour it did not see light of day?? It was always odd that so few SOTSOG tracks were played on that tour. Main stays: Go Let It Out Who Feels Love? Gas Panic Handful: Sunday Morning Call Where Did It All Go Wrong? Talk Show: I Can See A Liar (Letterman) Where Did It All Go Wrong? (Leno) I’d like to have seen them take a shot at PYMWYMI and Roll It Over to close the main set. |
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Post by World71R on Mar 2, 2020 21:15:35 GMT -5
I like this LP though only 3 songs are just pretty woeful on there, it's easy to figure those out, LJ, ICSAL & PYMWYMI, had it been subbed with some of better B Sides, it would have been alot better, but they had to get over the Black Cloud of BHN. I think Gas Panic is epic. Lyrically this was better step away from the previous 3 LP's including how it was produced. Though it was not toured properly because only 3 songs were played from it which were 'LIVE' though SMC was a single around the UK tour it did not see light of day?? It was always odd that so few SOTSOG tracks were played on that tour. Main stays: Go Let It Out Who Feels Love? Gas Panic Handful: Sunday Morning Call Where Did It All Go Wrong? Talk Show: I Can See A Liar (Letterman) Where Did It All Go Wrong? (Leno) I’d like to have seen them take a shot at PYMWYMI and Roll It Over to close the main set. Roll it Over live would've been really awesome, same with PYMWYMI. PYMWYMI had potential, too. Clean up the sound quality of it so that way it's a distinct electronic-influenced rock song that pushes the Oasis sound outward, with a second verse to boot, and you have yourself a fantastic song. I Can See a Liar is even a pretty good song too, just needed to get rid of the "sitting by the fire" lyric (replace it with "burning with desire") and the "Baby you're a liar" part. The SOTSOG era was sorely underrated and that shows up in the songs performed. It's too bad we only got Where Did it All Go Wrong? and ICSAL a few times since they would've been fantastic as staples, but while I don't understand why ICSAL wasn't a staple, I think Noel wanted to move forward which is why he dropped WDIAGW and Sunday Morning Call from the sets. |
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