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Post by captainsoul on Jan 8, 2018 7:57:34 GMT -5
“I’m offended by singer/songwriters who when you scratch the surface don’t do any f***ing songwriting. As far as I’m aware if you scratch the surface of any solo artist in Britain and they’ve all got a team of songwriters behind them apart from me, Paul Weller and Johnny Marr, I’m struggling to think of anybody else. Richard Ashcroft, Our Kid (Liam) all the way to f***ing Ed Sheeran and the little fella from One Direction they’ve all got an army of songwriters behind them”, Noel told the Sodajerker Podcast last month. Richard Ashcroft has a team of songwriters behind him!? WTF! He writes all his songs! BTW, Liam answered him back via Twitter: “Dig me out all day long rkid but Richard Ashcroft pisses all over you and the 2 Ronnie’s every day of the wk as you were LG x.” Read more at www.nme.com/news/music/liam-gallagher-fallen-noel-2215609#F7K8QbeOJV8Bs5Ce.99Additional information: 1st solo album: Alone With Everybody All songs written by Richard Ashcroft. 2nd solo album: Human Contions All songs written by Richard Ashcroft. 3rd solo album: Keys to the World All songs written by Richard Ashcroft, except "Music Is Power" written by Richard Ashcroft / Mayfield.
Ashcroft took a fragment of a few seconds from a song called "It's All Over" written by Curtis Mayfield, and created a new song, "Music Is Power". 4th solo album: United Natios of Sound All songs written by Richard Ashcroft, except: 1. Are You Ready? --> Richard Ashcroft / Robin Gibb. Ashcroft took a fragment of a few seconds from a song called "On Time" written by Robin Gibb, and created a new song, "Are You Ready?".
2:30 7. How Deep is Your Man? --> Richard Ashcroft / John Lee Hooker / E. Wilson / K. Randolph . Ashcroft took a chord progression from a song called "Boom Boom", and created a new song, "How Deep Is Your Man?". 9. Royal Highness --> Richard Ashcroft / Lou Reed. Ashcroft took a chord progression from a song called "Sweet Jane", and created a new song, "Royal Highness". 11. Life Can Be So Beautiful --> Richard Ashcroft / D. Axelrod / E. Wilson / K. Randolph. Ashcroft took a fragment of a few seconds from a song called "The School Boy" and created a new song, "Life Can Be So Beautiful".
1:30 5th solo album: These People All songs written by Richard Ashcroft.
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Post by morning_rain on Jan 8, 2018 9:35:41 GMT -5
If Richard Ashcroft has an army of songwriters he should get a new army of songwriters.
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Post by carlober on Jan 8, 2018 10:16:52 GMT -5
“Dig me out all day long rkid but Richard Ashcroft pisses all over you" I'm a Verve/Ashcroft fan but this statement is simply ridiculous and I bet even Liam knows that. Richard's work without the Verve has produced a few really good tracks but most of it is forgettable and generic in my book. When he was in The Verve he had a certain Nick McCabe alongside him... and even if Richard is doing a bit of revisionism lately and saying that basically he was the mind behind The Verve, you can listen to any Verve album and you'll immediately understand how much of their sound actually came from McCabe's genius. As a songwriter, Noel Gallagher pisses all over Richard Ashcroft and this shouldn't even be up for discussion. Even though, if I'm being honest, Bitter Sweet Symphony might be my favorite song ever.
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Post by MONO on Jan 8, 2018 10:21:43 GMT -5
Richard's work without the Verve has produced a few really good tracks but most of it is forgettable and generic in my book. So it's basically the same as Noel's solo work without Oasis.
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Post by carlober on Jan 8, 2018 10:42:30 GMT -5
Richard's work without the Verve has produced a few really good tracks but most of it is forgettable and generic in my book. So it's basically the same as Noel's solo work without Oasis. Noel's solo albums so far - while not as good as classic Oasis - have been an awful lot better than Richard's solo work. But that's just my opinion of course.
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Post by captainsoul on Jan 8, 2018 11:01:08 GMT -5
So it's basically the same as Noel's solo work without Oasis. Noel's solo albums so far - while not as good as classic Oasis - have been an awful lot better than Richard's solo work. But that's just my opinion of course. Yes, and I couldn't disagree more with you. But I think that you aren't focusing on the topic of the thread. Noel telling lies about another artist to discredit his work. I think that Ashcroft has always showed a lot of respect towards Noel. It's truly pathetic to hurt somebody's honor like this.
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Post by captainsoul on Jan 8, 2018 11:04:27 GMT -5
If Richard Ashcroft has an army of songwriters he should get a new army of songwriters. And if Noel lies and hurts somebody's honor, should he continue doing it?
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Post by carlober on Jan 8, 2018 11:14:03 GMT -5
Noel's solo albums so far - while not as good as classic Oasis - have been an awful lot better than Richard's solo work. But that's just my opinion of course. Yes, and I couldn't disagree more with you. But I think that you aren't focusing on the topic of the thread. Noel telling lies about another artist to discredit his work. I think that Ashcroft has always showed a lot of respect toward Noel. It's truly pathetic to hurt somebody's honor like this. Yes, Noel is wrong and he's either misinformed or lying. He's been guilty of both things many times in the past so it's not very surprising, is it? It's just Noel being Noel - or a selfish bastard if you prefer. What surprises me is Liam venting on Twitter that Ashcroft is a better songwriter than Noel fucking Gallagher (or Paul Weller). As much as I like Richard, that's just insane in my opinion. And Liam can't really believe it.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 8, 2018 11:49:08 GMT -5
Didn't Ashcroft and Noel use to get along? Sounds like a really unnecessary attack.
The Verve at their best weren't far behind Oasis I'd say, not 100% comparable anyway, but as it has been said McCabe had his hand in that.
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Post by morning_rain on Jan 8, 2018 11:54:22 GMT -5
If Richard Ashcroft has an army of songwriters he should get a new army of songwriters. And if Noel lies and hurt somebody's honor, should he continue doing it? Of course not. Also my comment was tongue in cheek. I'm a huge fan of the Verve and I like his first solo albums, but the last couple of them have been a disaster in my opinion. There's no way he has people writing songs for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 12:18:09 GMT -5
Ashcroft's last album is so bad that he should've had an army of songwriters behind him!
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Post by jordan71421 on Jan 8, 2018 13:23:11 GMT -5
I wonder why Noel lumped Richard in with the rest of them. Seems strange
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Post by captainsoul on Jan 8, 2018 13:35:19 GMT -5
I wonder why Noel lumped Richard in with the rest of them. Seems strange Maybe because of this:
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Post by frogerz on Jan 8, 2018 16:09:28 GMT -5
Last we heard Noel and Richard were on good terms so this is odd.
Richard apparently has a new album out this year so we'll no doubt see all these new songwriters he's working with...
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Post by captainsoul on Jan 8, 2018 16:45:12 GMT -5
Last we heard Noel and Richard were on good terms so this is odd. Richard apparently has a new album out this year so we'll no doubt see all these new songwriters he's working with... Where did you get that information?
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Post by frogerz on Jan 9, 2018 2:55:39 GMT -5
Last we heard Noel and Richard were on good terms so this is odd. Richard apparently has a new album out this year so we'll no doubt see all these new songwriters he's working with... Where did you get that information? He's playing Luna Park - April 17th 2018. I saw (I think on Twitter) that he has an album coming out. It would make sense as I can't see him touring These People anymore.
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Post by standbymoi on Jan 9, 2018 5:02:54 GMT -5
Is ‘the two Ronnies’ meant to be Weller and Marr?
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Post by glider on Jan 9, 2018 7:54:44 GMT -5
The hell is this wall of text in OPs post? Unnecessary white knighting. Yes, Noel was wrong, we know. Noel's misinformed obviously about RPA having an army of songwriters, but I agree with carlober: HFB's catalog takes a crap on Richard's solo stuff. And Liam defending Richard? It's his friend so of course he'll go for bat - but I don't believe Liam can look me in the eyes with a straight face and tell me These People is better than Who Built The Moon.
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Post by mockba08 on Jan 9, 2018 10:25:34 GMT -5
Ashcroft's last album is so bad that he should've had an army of songwriters behind him! I really enjoyed it. Hold On is brilliant, especially live.
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Post by rorymcbride on Jan 9, 2018 11:53:01 GMT -5
If Richard Ashcroft has an army of songwriters he should get a new army of songwriters. That's it! Close the Internet for the week. It doesn't get any better than that.
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Post by captainsoul on Jan 9, 2018 19:38:07 GMT -5
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 10, 2018 6:27:38 GMT -5
Yes, and I couldn't disagree more with you. But I think that you aren't focusing on the topic of the thread. Noel telling lies about another artist to discredit his work. I think that Ashcroft has always showed a lot of respect toward Noel. It's truly pathetic to hurt somebody's honor like this. Yes, Noel is wrong and he's either misinformed or lying. He's been guilty of both things many times in the past so it's not very surprising, is it? It's just Noel being Noel - or a selfish bastard if you prefer. What surprises me is Liam venting on Twitter that Ashcroft is a better songwriter than Noel fucking Gallagher (or Paul Weller). As much as I like Richard, that's just insane in my opinion. And Liam can't really believe it. I really think its as simple as Liam defending a friend. Nothing more, because I agree with you there really is no comparison to be had in terms of there solo work and I'm sure Liam knows that. Its just a bit weird that Noel would single Ashcroft out while championing Weller who has co writes for quite a bit of his solo stuff.
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 10, 2018 12:33:57 GMT -5
I love some RA solo songs, could have been big hits with The Verve.
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Post by glider on Jan 10, 2018 16:13:07 GMT -5
I love some RA solo songs, could have been big hits with The Verve. This version of Song For The Lovers is ace -
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Post by mockba08 on Jan 11, 2018 4:38:29 GMT -5
Ashcroft is the man. End of.
His gig at the Echo arena in 2016 (I think) with a full string orchestra was colossal. Even if that sparkly jacket he wears is a bit moody.
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