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Post by jxing on Nov 18, 2017 15:36:42 GMT -5
It doesn't take a genius to work out the `parka monkeys' are the ones attacking his family on social media. He more or less defined who the parka monkeys are in the recent interview, which clarifies his position on the people he is addressing/attacking, and also on not wanting an Oasis reunion. Made total sense to me, and I totally understand why he is lashing back out. Do you understand that too? You’re not alone brother 🙂 All I can say is... if The Spider And The Fly agrees with you then you're probably wrong.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 15:40:11 GMT -5
Exhibit A - As Noel doesn't spend any time on social media, I guess from the feedback he receives he'll presume they are Liam fans trolling his family. I haven't bothered to read the troll posts myself, so I cannot form an opinion that they have no connection whatsoever - but Noel has obviously reached that conclusion, so either he is just presuming, or the content of the posts states the intention of who these trollers are. Exhibit B - of course I know its a generalisation. And one I don't agree with, because I wear Pretty Green. Did it bother me? Of course not. Any sane rational person wouldn't get offended by that. Anyone who would get offended by a cheeky, generalised remark like that needs to grow a fucking pair, or just grow up. Exhibit C - Liam made it an open sport on attacking Noel on social media. It's something everyone on planet earth seems to be aware of...except you? Exhibit A - So its presumption then. He doesn't get social media and doesn't go on it but just assumes its Liam fans who are doing it. Thats not to say no Liam fans are doing it but from what I've seen there are many of the standard internet trolls. And if you can't form an opinion why are you making an argument for it? You seemingly know as much as Noel about it. Exhibit B - You are again assuming that people are mortally offended. Noel gives his opinion and people respond to that opinion, that's how life in general works. Saying he is a dick does not mean you have been having a good cry about it. Exhibit C - Liam has attacked his brother on social media, has he invited others to do the same to him or his family? Noel has belittled his brother in the press over a 20 year period helping shape public opinion of him? Is that not the same or similar. Exhibit A - of course its a presumption I am making. I haven't read the trollers, but Noel has, or his family has, so he knows more than me and you. Some of this may be directed in private PM's to them too. Again, only a presumption on my behalf. I'm only going by what Noel is saying in interviews. Exhibit B - judging by some of the wounded fragile snowflake soldiers on here, it would appear some people are offended. Again, I'm only making a presumption. Maybe they are all happy as Larry about being called a parka monkey, and only pretend to be offended on here. Or maybe I am just interpreting that they are offended. From the gist of what I have read over the past few weeks, I have formed an opinion that some here are offended - right or wrong. Its an opinion I have formed, but I could be way off the mark. Exhibit C - I don't think Liam has invited others on social media to do the same, but I doubt he would care if they do, if he is openly willing to do it himself. There are plenty of sheep that follow Liam religiously, so he must know it will inevitably happen. And because it has happened, has Liam reigned it in? Of course not. I've read and seen enough of both brothers being dicks to each other over the years. Nothing new there. They are as bad as each other in my book. I bet you cannot bring yourself to say the same....
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 15:42:04 GMT -5
You’re not alone brother 🙂 All I can say is... if The Spider And The Fly agrees with you then you're probably wrong. Ok, thanks for letting me know. I stand corrected.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 15:45:35 GMT -5
First of all, I wasn't referring to anyone that attacks his family on social media. He also hasn't specified that those fans are the parka monkeys or whatever else insult he keeps throwing at fans. However, regarding the social media victim bullshit... they really loose any leverage to claim victim when they participate in the social media bullshit... these aren't his young sons.. it's his teenage daughter and wife... if they can't take the reality of social media then they need to not be on a public platform and I'm not justifying that behavior but they more often than LG kids have instigated it so...that argument doesn't hold up for me. I'm sure you'll have some obnoxious and insulting response since that seems to be your typical response. No insult from me brother. Peace man!
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Nov 18, 2017 15:56:41 GMT -5
You’re not alone brother 🙂 All I can say is... if The Spider And The Fly agrees with you then you're probably wrong. Noel’s music is better then Liam’s, is the bottom line. If Noel wanted to, he could write songs for any singer and Liam can’t. Fact!!!
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2017 16:07:52 GMT -5
Exhibit A - So its presumption then. He doesn't get social media and doesn't go on it but just assumes its Liam fans who are doing it. Thats not to say no Liam fans are doing it but from what I've seen there are many of the standard internet trolls. And if you can't form an opinion why are you making an argument for it? You seemingly know as much as Noel about it. Exhibit B - You are again assuming that people are mortally offended. Noel gives his opinion and people respond to that opinion, that's how life in general works. Saying he is a dick does not mean you have been having a good cry about it. Exhibit C - Liam has attacked his brother on social media, has he invited others to do the same to him or his family? Noel has belittled his brother in the press over a 20 year period helping shape public opinion of him? Is that not the same or similar. Exhibit A - of course its a presumption I am making. I haven't read the trollers, but Noel has, or his family has, so he knows more than me and you. Some of this may be directed in private PM's to them too. Again, only a presumption on my behalf. I'm only going by what Noel is saying in interviews. Exhibit B - judging by some of the wounded fragile snowflake soldiers on here, it would appear some people are offended. Again, I'm only making a presumption. Maybe they are all happy as Larry about being called a parka monkey, and only pretend to be offended on here. Or maybe I am just interpreting that they are offended. From the gist of what I have read over the past few weeks, I have formed an opinion that some here are offended - right or wrong. Its an opinion I have formed, but I could be way off the mark. Exhibit C - I don't think Liam has invited others on social media to do the same, but I doubt he would care if they do, if he is openly willing to do it himself. There are plenty of sheep that follow Liam religiously, so he must know it will inevitably happen. And because it has happened, has Liam reigned it in? Of course not. I've read and seen enough of both brothers being dicks to each other over the years. Nothing new there. They are as bad as each other in my book. I bet you cannot bring yourself to say the same.... Noel doesn't know any more than some who are reading the twitter feeds themselves. Its fine to speculate about it but maybe like Noel you should stop offering it as some sort of truth. Didn't take you long did it? "wounded fragile snowflake soldiers" Who are these people you describe? There is a difference between being happy about something and being incredibly offended by something, maybe you should use a bit of reason and look at the ground between those things, you'll find more people sit there. You have as usual made an assumption and as usual its a wrong one. They have obviously both said bad things about each other. My dislike of Noel has mostly nothing to do with Liam.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 16:13:39 GMT -5
Exhibit A - of course its a presumption I am making. I haven't read the trollers, but Noel has, or his family has, so he knows more than me and you. Some of this may be directed in private PM's to them too. Again, only a presumption on my behalf. I'm only going by what Noel is saying in interviews. Exhibit B - judging by some of the wounded fragile snowflake soldiers on here, it would appear some people are offended. Again, I'm only making a presumption. Maybe they are all happy as Larry about being called a parka monkey, and only pretend to be offended on here. Or maybe I am just interpreting that they are offended. From the gist of what I have read over the past few weeks, I have formed an opinion that some here are offended - right or wrong. Its an opinion I have formed, but I could be way off the mark. Exhibit C - I don't think Liam has invited others on social media to do the same, but I doubt he would care if they do, if he is openly willing to do it himself. There are plenty of sheep that follow Liam religiously, so he must know it will inevitably happen. And because it has happened, has Liam reigned it in? Of course not. I've read and seen enough of both brothers being dicks to each other over the years. Nothing new there. They are as bad as each other in my book. I bet you cannot bring yourself to say the same.... Noel doesn't know any more than some who are reading the twitter feeds themselves. Its fine to speculate about it but maybe like Noel you should stop offering it as some sort of truth. Didn't take you long did it? "wounded fragile snowflake soldiers" Who are these people you describe? There is a difference between being happy about something and being incredibly offended by something, maybe you should use a bit of reason and look at the ground between those things, you'll find more people sit there. You have as usual made an assumption and as usual its a wrong one. They have obviously both said bad things about each other. My dislike of Noel has mostly nothing to do with Liam. I'm forming an opinion based on factors - right or wrong. Going by what Noel has said in a recent interview, it sounded to me that the parka monkeys are the ones that have allegedly been abusing him and his family on Twitter...but again I could be way off the mark. Anyone who would be incredibly offended by being called a parka monkey is a fragile snowflake in my book. Maybe I have interpreted it wrongly, and people here aren't that offended after all. I stand corrected if this is the case. Apologies for making the wrong assumption about why you don't like Noel. Out of interest, why don't you like Noel?
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 18, 2017 16:17:45 GMT -5
Up to 1980 he was still going on about the "idiots" who didn't "get what the Beatles had been about" because they wanted to see a reunion. He had mellowed out a lot and was a lot less angry, but the Beatles never really stopped being a thorn in his side when all he wanted to do was move forward. And of course, Imagine's untouchable, as worthy as the very best the Beatles ever did. But it was the exception that proves the rule. Both him and Paul suffered from not having the pressure of being in a band with the other. They both relaxed their standards too much in each other's absence, and a lot of their music became just "good enough". Not bad in any way, they both still wrote tunes just about anyone else would be proud to call their own, but they would rarely truly touch their earlier genius again. Noel's written at least two songs I consider on a par with his own legacy: Alone on the Rope and A Simple Game of Genius (typical for Noel, his best tunes end up as B-sides of bonus tracks). They don't have Oasis' distinctive sound, nor do they have Liam's voice and attitude, but as pieces of music they're about as good as anything he's ever done. I'm hoping WBTM will yield at least one more of that caliber. Good post! I agree with just about everything you said. Hey great minds do think alike sometimes
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2017 16:19:38 GMT -5
Noel doesn't know any more than some who are reading the twitter feeds themselves. Its fine to speculate about it but maybe like Noel you should stop offering it as some sort of truth. Didn't take you long did it? "wounded fragile snowflake soldiers" Who are these people you describe? There is a difference between being happy about something and being incredibly offended by something, maybe you should use a bit of reason and look at the ground between those things, you'll find more people sit there. You have as usual made an assumption and as usual its a wrong one. They have obviously both said bad things about each other. My dislike of Noel has mostly nothing to do with Liam. I'm forming an opinion based on factors - right or wrong. Going by what Noel has said in a recent interview, it sounded to me that the parka monkeys are the ones that have allegedly been abusing him and his family on Twitter...but again I could be way off the mark. Anyone who would be incredibly offended by being called a parka monkey is a fragile snowflake in my book. Maybe I have interpreted it wrongly, and people here aren't that offended after all. I stand corrected if this is the case. Apologies for making the wrong assumption about why you don't like Noel. Out of interest, why don't you like Noel? Who is incredibly offended? People can offer a response to Noel in the negative sense without being a fragile snowflake. I don't like the way he talks about money, politics, the company he keeps and seems to be in awe of, his comments about Oasis fans and his revisions of Oasis's legacy. There is probably more that I can't think of but he's essentially an old moany Tory boy who thinks people like Morrissey are a saint.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 16:40:44 GMT -5
I'm forming an opinion based on factors - right or wrong. Going by what Noel has said in a recent interview, it sounded to me that the parka monkeys are the ones that have allegedly been abusing him and his family on Twitter...but again I could be way off the mark. Anyone who would be incredibly offended by being called a parka monkey is a fragile snowflake in my book. Maybe I have interpreted it wrongly, and people here aren't that offended after all. I stand corrected if this is the case. Apologies for making the wrong assumption about why you don't like Noel. Out of interest, why don't you like Noel? Who is incredibly offended? People can offer a response to Noel in the negative sense without being a fragile snowflake. I don't like the way he talks about money, politics, the company he keeps and seems to be in awe of, his comments about Oasis fans and his revisions of Oasis's legacy. There is probably more that I can't think of but he's essentially an old moany Tory boy who thinks people like Morrissey are a saint. Wow! You really do hate him. I'm amazed you can bring yourself to keep posting on an Oasis forum, which makes me wonder why you still do...?
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Post by Katinká Ingabogovinana on Nov 18, 2017 16:42:32 GMT -5
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Post by eva on Nov 18, 2017 17:46:21 GMT -5
let's be honest, there are things you can't defend when they first started using "parka monkeys" there weren't refering to social media trolls. that offended the fans, of course, it's not a very nice thing to say. someone in his PR team probably told him to start talking about twitter abuse and all that shit. there are some fucked up people in social media, that's for sure. some folk think they can post whatever they want because they are hiding behind their phone screen. not much unlike a few people who roam this forum tsk tsk anyway, every thread about a Noel interview ends up in the same argument (which I just contributed myself, sorry)
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 19:07:23 GMT -5
let's be honest, there are things you can't defend when they first started using "parka monkeys" there weren't refering to social media trolls. that offended the fans, of course, it's not a very nice thing to say. someone in his PR team probably told him to start talking about twitter abuse and all that shit. You are only presuming there. We don't know if parka monkeys was referring to the social media trolls, or not. I'm hazarding a guess it was, as we know for a fact they have been attacking Noel and his family in the past. And would Noel ever listen to a PR person, and be dictated to say what someone else tells him to say? Knowing the way Noel is - big ego, independent record label an' all, I doubt it.
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Post by eva on Nov 18, 2017 19:11:50 GMT -5
let's be honest, there are things you can't defend when they first started using "parka monkeys" there weren't refering to social media trolls. that offended the fans, of course, it's not a very nice thing to say. someone in his PR team probably told him to start talking about twitter abuse and all that shit. You are only presuming there. We don't know if parka monkeys was referring to the social media trolls, or not. I'm hazarding a guess it was, as we know for a fact they have been attacking Noel and his family in the past. And would Noel ever listen to a PR person, and be dictated to say what someone else tells him to say? Knowing the way Noel is - big ego, independent record label an' all, I doubt it. you are presuming as well. You believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want. Noel contradicts himself all the time, so next interview the parka monkeys will be something else Peace, love and bananans
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 19:17:28 GMT -5
You are only presuming there. We don't know if parka monkeys was referring to the social media trolls, or not. I'm hazarding a guess it was, as we know for a fact they have been attacking Noel and his family in the past. And would Noel ever listen to a PR person, and be dictated to say what someone else tells him to say? Knowing the way Noel is - big ego, independent record label an' all, I doubt it. you are presuming as well. You believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want. Noel contradicts himself all the time, so next interview the parka monkeys will be something else Peace, love and bananans Something I think most of us here will agree on....
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Post by garys on Nov 18, 2017 19:18:35 GMT -5
Noel claims that Liam is pandering to the fan base...for christ's sake isn't that EXACTLY who he should be catering to instead of slagging them off?? He's given his fans everything we could have hoped for since June, beginning with a biblical appearance at One Love ("Manchester boy in the area!!!") at a time when it was really needed. He's singing better than he has in years, he's delivered a top album where he wrote or co-wrote all the tracks. He's delivered fantastic concerts where he's giving the fans Oasis songs done in the proper style that we're dying to hear live again. His personnel interaction with fans on twitter is nothing but fun and endearing. Bringing that little girl on stage to introduce Slide Away was beautiful. Old school Oasis fans are parka monkey's and morons? Noel is sounding like a tool. The end.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 19:30:29 GMT -5
Noel claims that Liam is pandering to the fan base...for christ's sake isn't that EXACTLY who he should be catering to instead of slagging them off?? He's given his fans everything we could have hoped for since June, beginning with a biblical appearance at One Love ("Manchester boy in the area!!!") at a time when it was really needed. He's singing better than he has in years, he's delivered a top album where he wrote or co-wrote all the tracks. He's delivered fantastic concerts where he's giving the fans Oasis songs done in the proper style that we're dying to hear live again. His personnel interaction with fans on twitter is nothing but fun and endearing. Bringing that little girl on stage to introduce Slide Away was beautiful. Old school Oasis fans are parka monkey's and morons? Noel is sounding like a tool. The end. Liam is definitely winning the hearts and minds of the Oasis fanbase, as well as a whole new generation of kids - something I didn't think would ever happen a couple of years ago. Noel on the other hand appears to be going through some kind of personal journey (mid life crisis), in which the fanbase appears not to be of huge importance to him anymore. Maybe he is expecting to win over a whole new fanbase with this album, and doesn't want the diehard, hardcore Oasis fans following him anymore. He has said he isn't interested in large stadium venues anymore, which would typically attract the so-called `parka monkeys'. Maybe he wants the more middle class and upper class sophisticated, pretentious types turning up for his gigs now, in a more civilised manner, at much smaller, intimate venues.
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Post by janedoe on Nov 18, 2017 19:32:45 GMT -5
Noel claims that Liam is pandering to the fan base...for christ's sake isn't that EXACTLY who he should be catering to instead of slagging them off?? He's given his fans everything we could have hoped for since June, beginning with a biblical appearance at One Love ("Manchester boy in the area!!!") at a time when it was really needed. He's singing better than he has in years, he's delivered a top album where he wrote or co-wrote all the tracks. He's delivered fantastic concerts where he's giving the fans Oasis songs done in the proper style that we're dying to hear live again. His personnel interaction with fans on twitter is nothing but fun and endearing. Bringing that little girl on stage to introduce Slide Away was beautiful. Old school Oasis fans are parka monkey's and morons? Noel is sounding like a tool. The end. Liam is definitely winning the hearts and minds of the Oasis fanbase, as well as a whole new generation of kids - something I didn't think would ever happen a couple of years ago. Noel on the other hand appears to be going through some kind of personal journey (mid life crisis), in which the fanbase appears not to be of huge importance to him anymore. Maybe he is expecting to win over a whole new fanbase with this album, and doesn't want the diehard, hardcore Oasis fans following him anymore. He has said he isn't interested in large stadium venues anymore, which would typically attract the so-called `parka monkeys'. Maybe he wants the more middle class and upper class sophisticated types turning up for his gigs now, in a more civilised manner, at much smaller, intimate venues. I agree. We are watching a mid-life meltdown
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 19:38:10 GMT -5
Liam is definitely winning the hearts and minds of the Oasis fanbase, as well as a whole new generation of kids - something I didn't think would ever happen a couple of years ago. Noel on the other hand appears to be going through some kind of personal journey (mid life crisis), in which the fanbase appears not to be of huge importance to him anymore. Maybe he is expecting to win over a whole new fanbase with this album, and doesn't want the diehard, hardcore Oasis fans following him anymore. He has said he isn't interested in large stadium venues anymore, which would typically attract the so-called `parka monkeys'. Maybe he wants the more middle class and upper class sophisticated types turning up for his gigs now, in a more civilised manner, at much smaller, intimate venues. I agree. We are watching a mid-life meltdown Certainly looks like it from the outside. The only thing that will save him is if this record does well - both commercially and critically. But it may end up with a whole new set of fans following him, and the old fanbase hating him (we are getting that way more and more on here as each new day passes).
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Post by AubreyOasis on Nov 18, 2017 20:03:42 GMT -5
You are basically reinforcing your own opinions. There are many Oasis fans (me, for instance) that don't think like that at all
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 20:21:08 GMT -5
You are basically reinforcing your own opinions. There are many Oasis fans (me, for instance) that don't think like that at all For what its worth, I'm a huge fan of his new material, far more than anything he did since Oasis Mk2, and cannot wait for his new record. But as big as a fan I am of Noel, I can recognise some strange behaviour and comments that he is coming out with these days that does sound like some kind of mid life crisis. If the new album is great, then I couldn't give a toss if he is having one or not.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Nov 18, 2017 21:15:21 GMT -5
Liam is definitely winning the hearts and minds of the Oasis fanbase, as well as a whole new generation of kids - something I didn't think would ever happen a couple of years ago. Noel on the other hand appears to be going through some kind of personal journey (mid life crisis), in which the fanbase appears not to be of huge importance to him anymore. Maybe he is expecting to win over a whole new fanbase with this album, and doesn't want the diehard, hardcore Oasis fans following him anymore. He has said he isn't interested in large stadium venues anymore, which would typically attract the so-called `parka monkeys'. Maybe he wants the more middle class and upper class sophisticated types turning up for his gigs now, in a more civilised manner, at much smaller, intimate venues. I agree. We are watching a mid-life meltdown If it takes a mid-life crisis for Noel to release something as good as Holy Mountain, then bring it on.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 19, 2017 6:12:07 GMT -5
Who is incredibly offended? People can offer a response to Noel in the negative sense without being a fragile snowflake. I don't like the way he talks about money, politics, the company he keeps and seems to be in awe of, his comments about Oasis fans and his revisions of Oasis's legacy. There is probably more that I can't think of but he's essentially an old moany Tory boy who thinks people like Morrissey are a saint. Wow! You really do hate him. I'm amazed you can bring yourself to keep posting on an Oasis forum, which makes me wonder why you still do...? I don't hate him. Unfortunately your question is to stupid to warrant an answer.
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Nov 19, 2017 6:18:01 GMT -5
At least we all seem to aree that Noel is definitely having an epic midlife crisis.
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Post by Manualex on Nov 19, 2017 6:19:35 GMT -5
At least we all seem to aree that Noel is definitely having an epic midlife crisis. The epic Midlife Crisis that was Heathen Chemestry?
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