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Post by lalaland on Nov 17, 2017 21:20:46 GMT -5
The Impression I'm getting from these noel interviews is that he is SHITTING it thinking this album will flop. OR.... he's intentionally trying to decrease his fan base / alienate previous fans in a bid to move onto the 'next level'? My little theory is that he's trying to get into the film music business. Seemingly had his eyes on the Bond song for a while plus, working with Holmes might get him some cred / recognition / connections whatever. Alas, him and his music coming across as a bit.... edgy, quirky, 'different' from his previous sounds, maybe even being a 'flop' in regards to sales, yet (maybe) being well received by (some) music critics and/or people in high places in the film industry.... might do the trick? Or make him hope it'll do the trick, anyway.... Like said, just my little theory and obviously got nothing to actually base this on other than the fact that, as others have said, he really does come across differently all of a sudden... via looks, words, attitude etc.
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Nov 17, 2017 21:36:57 GMT -5
Liam doesnt write any f***g songs? That tumbleweed songwriter had to fill out Oasis records with half decent songs because the actual songwriter didn't have any. What was Noel even doing during the DBTT era? He wrote 5 songs for that album and one half finished B-side. The first single was a throwaway that Sony asked to make the first single. The closing track took 7 years to write. But its ok, Noel got his precious Importance of Being Idle and his shitty Mucky Fingers out of it. 2004-2009 Oasis was all about being good enough, never great. I liked DBTT at the time. I f****g hate it now.I'm alright with MF. I like that record bar LTBL. Tumbleweed song writer is a bit tough but, I'm on board though, up until the bold.
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Post by GlastoEls on Nov 18, 2017 1:19:53 GMT -5
Liam has female backing singers anyway?
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Nov 18, 2017 1:38:41 GMT -5
Liam has female backing singers anyway? Better ones than the other guy. I would argue.
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Post by pedroz on Nov 18, 2017 3:49:36 GMT -5
You can almost taste the seethe in this thread.
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Post by daviesh on Nov 18, 2017 4:36:56 GMT -5
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Post by Doc Lobster on Nov 18, 2017 4:51:52 GMT -5
You would think it's a positive thing when someone becomes less of an idiot with age, right? I never understood this "man, you've changed" attitude. As if that was bad...
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Post by daviesh on Nov 18, 2017 5:04:26 GMT -5
You would think it's a positive thing when someone becomes less of an idiot with age, right? I never understood this "man, you've changed" attitude. As if that was bad... True but that normally happens between your youth and middle aged right? Not 40's to 50's. Honestly I think NG says whatever suits his agenda at the time. His media image is just that, a front, an image of how he is trying to portray himself to people. For this album cycle he is positioning himself against LG, so giving statements of what he thinks are the reverse view point of LG's. Contradicting what he has said previously. It just seems at this moment in time it isn't appealing to me, I prefer my rockstars to be true to themselves. I'm sure NG ain't too bothered about my views. 'You've got to be yourself, you can't be no-one else'
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Post by GlastoEls on Nov 18, 2017 5:24:45 GMT -5
Yeah, Noel is certainly positioning clearly v Liam:
I write songs (he doesn’t) I have girls in my band (he doesn’t) I have eclectic tastes (he doesn’t) I’m not obsessed with him (like he is with me) I’m not reactionary (like he is) I don’t use social media (like his Twitter)
That’s all true and not true at the same time, as Liam did write a lot of AYW, he has girl backing singers, and openly praises grime artists etc.
Just Noel’s move on the Oasis power game of chess innit?
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Post by Doc Lobster on Nov 18, 2017 6:12:12 GMT -5
You would think it's a positive thing when someone becomes less of an idiot with age, right? I never understood this "man, you've changed" attitude. As if that was bad... True but that normally happens between your youth and middle aged right? Not 40's to 50's. Honestly I think NG says whatever suits his agenda at the time. His media image is just that, a front, an image of how he is trying to portray himself to people. For this album cycle he is positioning himself against LG, so giving statements of what he thinks are the reverse view point of LG's. Contradicting what he has said previously. It just seems at this moment in time it isn't appealing to me, I prefer my rockstars to be true to themselves. I'm sure NG ain't too bothered about my views. 'You've got to be yourself, you can't be no-one else' Noel said a lot of bullshit in the past decade. He was in it for the money and lacking inspiration, and adapted his statements in interviews to what he perceived his bandmates and fans would appreciate. The sad thing is some fans seem to miss that guy. I would say solo Noel has a lot more in common with 90s Noel than the cynical captain of Oasis MkII.
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 18, 2017 6:28:50 GMT -5
You would think it's a positive thing when someone becomes less of an idiot with age, right? I never understood this "man, you've changed" attitude. As if that was bad... Change is good. Changing and acting as though you never held the positions you now condemn is the annoying part.
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Post by mostlyharmless on Nov 18, 2017 6:35:16 GMT -5
On this particular issue, don't think he's changed much. He's still talking about female band members like they are circus animals and the "having women around guarantees a mess" joke is plainly gender stereotyping. If a man truly respects female musicians, he wouldn't even bring it up as it's an outlier worth mentioning. Can you imagine the CEO of a company claiming proudly "we just hired 5 black people to our all-white team! hooray"?
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Post by ariananana on Nov 18, 2017 7:10:11 GMT -5
I’ve been living under Donald Trump’s bullshit this whole fucking year, and i gotta tell you, Noel’s Interviews for this record makes him sound just like him.
Maybe it’s Trump fatigue but it’s not amusing me at the moment. He’s less funny/insightful - more defensive, insulting.
Makes sense, trump and Noel are both Geminis.
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Post by fiordiligi on Nov 18, 2017 7:27:08 GMT -5
On this particular issue, don't think he's changed much. He's still talking about female band members like they are circus animals and the "having women around guarantees a mess" joke is plainly gender stereotyping. If a man truly respects female musicians, he wouldn't even bring it up as it's an outlier worth mentioning. Can you imagine the CEO of a company claiming proudly "we just hired 5 black people to our all-white team! hooray"? Yes, exactly! Comments like: "Well, you know what boys are like: “F***ing women? Women in a group? No way, mate, not having it.” So, you know, I’m ready for the ABBA comparisons that are going to be coming my way soon. " " I’m convinced it’s gonna be f***ing exhausting. Three women? One is exhausting. Two is f***ing mental. Three will just be like, Jesus Christ. I actually will probably look back on this in five years’ time and think back to the time when I started losing my hair. " And yeah I know he's joking, but I want to point out that this is actually the only negative comment i read on him having women in the band, there are tons of comments on Charlotte only because of the scissors and not a single one asking why there are women with him now. He really doesn't have the nicest opinion on his fans if he thinks we'll be annoyed by the addition of women.
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Post by mostlyharmless on Nov 18, 2017 8:45:24 GMT -5
I’ve been living under Donald Trump’s bullshit this whole fucking year, and i gotta tell you, Noel’s Interviews for this record makes him sound just like him. Maybe it’s Trump fatigue but it’s not amusing me at the moment. He’s less funny/insightful - more defensive, insulting. Makes sense, trump and Noel are both Geminis. I used to enjoy his "I may have two sides and I put it down to being a Gemini" punchline. But hell, what wrong did Gemini do to deserve this.
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Post by northernsky on Nov 18, 2017 8:55:14 GMT -5
So to sum up...
1. If you don’t like Holy Mountain, then it’s clearly because you’re a closed minded common pigeon parka monkey.
2. If you’re an Oasis fan, then there’s a good chance you’re a misogynist.
3. If you would like to see an Oasis reunion, then you have no life.
Very interesting promotional plan, this.
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Nov 18, 2017 9:43:11 GMT -5
I’ve been living under Donald Trump’s bullshit this whole fucking year, and i gotta tell you, Noel’s Interviews for this record makes him sound just like him. Maybe it’s Trump fatigue but it’s not amusing me at the moment. He’s less funny/insightful - more defensive, insulting. Makes sense, trump and Noel are both Geminis. This is ridiculous.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 10:25:34 GMT -5
I’ve been living under Donald Trump’s bullshit this whole fucking year, and i gotta tell you, Noel’s Interviews for this record makes him sound just like him. Maybe it’s Trump fatigue but it’s not amusing me at the moment. He’s less funny/insightful - more defensive, insulting. Makes sense, trump and Noel are both Geminis. The intelligence level on this forum reaches a new low.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 10:33:52 GMT -5
Liam doesnt write any f***g songs? That tumbleweed songwriter had to fill out Oasis records with half decent songs because the actual songwriter didn't have any. What was Noel even doing during the DBTT era? He wrote 5 songs for that album and one half finished B-side. The first single was a throwaway that Sony asked to make the first single. The closing track took 7 years to write. But its ok, Noel got his precious Importance of Being Idle and his shitty Mucky Fingers out of it. 2004-2009 Oasis was all about being good enough, never great. I liked DBTT at the time. I f****g hate it now. Good post! I would add that both DBTT and DOYS are absolute garbage.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 10:53:38 GMT -5
So to sum up... 1. If you don’t like Holy Mountain, then it’s clearly because you’re a closed minded common pigeon parka monkey. 2. If you’re an Oasis fan, then there’s a good chance you’re a misogynist. 3. If you would like to see an Oasis reunion, then you have no life. Very interesting promotional plan, this. In response to this - 1. Assuming Noel means the parka monkeys are the diehard Liam Only Fans - the ones that used to behave like right nobs at Oasis concerts (starting fights, pissing in bottles to throw at people, etc.), then he may have a point. Judging by some of the comments on this forum lately, where the Liam Only Brigade are getting irate and offended at every little thing Noel writes, and jumping wildly to Liam's defence (as if the poor lad needs it), I'd say Noel is not that far off the truth. 2. Noel wasn't targeting Oasis fans in general with his comment - just a section of them. And that section is the one I have referred to in point number 1 (above). Again, he has a point. 3. I guess he is just sick and tired of the inevitable `Oasis Reunion' subject being brought up at every single interview he does. However, I'd like to add that I'm not on board with everything Noel comes out with, and I do think he talks a lot of BS. He always has done. In the past I believed everything he said, now I dismiss a lot of it as BS. His stance on BHN annoys me the most. He claims he only realised BHN was shit once he started playing those songs live, yet I am sorry but most of those tracks play out brilliantly live. If there is any fault to be had with BHN, its that the songs are overproduced, too loud and too long - but that reflects the issues with how the album was recorded. The songs themselves are just as strong as everything else he did during the first 2 albums, and many of them were written during the same period anyway. Noel also claims he doesn't care less what people think of him - yet he clearly does get affected by bad reviews of his albums - one of the reasons why he ended up dissing BHN, once the backlash started.
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Post by bt95 on Nov 18, 2017 11:05:46 GMT -5
The Impression I'm getting from these noel interviews is that he is SHITTING it thinking this album will flop. The impression I get is he just doesn't care that much
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Post by northernsky on Nov 18, 2017 11:07:20 GMT -5
1. Assuming Noel means the parka monkeys are the diehard Liam Only Fans - the ones that used to behave like right nobs at Oasis concerts (starting fights, pissing in bottles to throw at people, etc.), then he may have a point. The problem is that whenever he mentions the divisive nature of HM he always seems to fall back on some variation of the parka monkeys not getting it. I can assure you that I meet absolutely none of the qualities mentioned here, and I loathe HM. But apparently this possibility hasn’t occurred to our Noel. 3. Where has Noel ever said that, or even implied that? In this very interview, no?
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Post by glider on Nov 18, 2017 11:10:12 GMT -5
Liam doesnt write any f***g songs? That tumbleweed songwriter had to fill out Oasis records with half decent songs because the actual songwriter didn't have any. What was Noel even doing during the DBTT era? He wrote 5 songs for that album and one half finished B-side. The first single was a throwaway that Sony asked to make the first single. The closing track took 7 years to write. But its ok, Noel got his precious Importance of Being Idle and his shitty Mucky Fingers out of it. 2004-2009 Oasis was all about being good enough, never great. I liked DBTT at the time. I f****g hate it now. 100% agree.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 11:12:46 GMT -5
1. Assuming Noel means the parka monkeys are the diehard Liam Only Fans - the ones that used to behave like right nobs at Oasis concerts (starting fights, pissing in bottles to throw at people, etc.), then he may have a point. The problem is that whenever he mentions the divisive nature of HM he always seems to fall back on some variation of the parka monkeys not getting it. I can assure you that I meet absolutely none of the qualities mentioned here, and I loathe HM. But apparently this possibility hasn’t occurred to our Noel. 3. Where has Noel ever said that, or even implied that? In this very interview, no? I edited my post once I read that interview again. Refresh your browser and read my post again. With regards HM, there will always be exceptions to the rule (people like your good self), but in a generalised way I reckon the majority of people who hate HM fall into the Liam Only category. I could be wrong, but if analysing the typical negative posts on here is anything to go by, and assuming they reflect the bigger picture outside this forum - again he has a point.
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Post by deadman on Nov 18, 2017 11:32:59 GMT -5
The Impression I'm getting from these noel interviews is that he is SHITTING it thinking this album will flop. If he wants to sell a load of records, he can release 10 If I Had A Guns. Or reform Oasis. He doesn't care.
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