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Post by ricardogce on Nov 18, 2017 13:54:19 GMT -5
Yeah, John Lennon could be a prick. And Noel's current attitude mirrors John's post-Beatles attitude in a lot of ways: Disdain for the work that made him who he is, scorn for the fans that miss it, and the deluded belief that whatever he's working on now is as interesting as what made him a legend in the first place. Noel's not restricting himself to people who "attack his family on social media". Who else has he openly attacked? And you'd better come up with something better than just `parka monkeys'.Noel introduced that particular term. Ask him to define it.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2017 13:55:26 GMT -5
Lennon was yeah, I don't like him either. So you openly admit you don't like Noel? Why are you an Oasis fan again? I did, I don't any more. Does this mean I have to hand in my Oasis membership card? It seems you have trouble understanding that not being a fan of someone doesn't always mean not being a fan of there music.
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Post by rockrevival on Nov 18, 2017 13:58:13 GMT -5
As was Lennon. But Noel being a mean son of a bitch to fans who personally attack his family on social media? You really think that is dark? I call that normal in my book. Yeah, John Lennon could be a prick. And Noel's current attitude mirrors John's post-Beatles attitude in a lot of ways: Disdain for the work that made him who he is, scorn for the fans that miss it, and the deluded belief that whatever he's working on now is as interesting as what made him a legend in the first place. Noel's not restricting himself to people who "attack his family on social media". Lennon was bitter,yes, but that lasted like 2 years? He chilled after that. And let's not compare Noel with Lennon. Lennon came with Imagine after the split which is as big as any Beatles tune. Noel, in all honesty, hasn't come up with a song in 15 years or so. I think he's forgotten his roots. He's not someone with a big mouth now, he's just an old dick. A mighty eagle dick.
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Nov 18, 2017 14:05:20 GMT -5
Yeah, John Lennon could be a prick. And Noel's current attitude mirrors John's post-Beatles attitude in a lot of ways: Disdain for the work that made him who he is, scorn for the fans that miss it, and the deluded belief that whatever he's working on now is as interesting as what made him a legend in the first place. Noel's not restricting himself to people who "attack his family on social media". Lennon was bitter,yes, but that lasted like 2 years? He chilled after that. And let's not compare Noel with Lennon. Lennon came with Imagine after the split which is as big as any Beatles tune. Noel, in all honesty, hasn't come up with a song in 15 years or so. I think he's forgotten his roots. He's not someone with a big mouth now, he's just an old dick. A mighty eagle dick. 🤡
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 18, 2017 14:08:41 GMT -5
Yeah, John Lennon could be a prick. And Noel's current attitude mirrors John's post-Beatles attitude in a lot of ways: Disdain for the work that made him who he is, scorn for the fans that miss it, and the deluded belief that whatever he's working on now is as interesting as what made him a legend in the first place. Noel's not restricting himself to people who "attack his family on social media". Lennon was bitter,yes, but that lasted like 2 years? He chilled after that. And let's not compare Noel with Lennon. Lennon came with Imagine after the split which is as big as any Beatles tune. Noel, in all honesty, hasn't come up with a song in 15 years or so. I think he's forgotten his roots. He's not someone with a big mouth now, he's just an old dick. A mighty eagle dick. Up to 1980 he was still going on about the "idiots" who didn't "get what the Beatles had been about" because they wanted to see a reunion. He had mellowed out a lot and was a lot less angry, but the Beatles never really stopped being a thorn in his side when all he wanted to do was move forward. And of course, Imagine's untouchable, as worthy as the very best the Beatles ever did. But it was the exception that proves the rule. Both him and Paul suffered from not having the pressure of being in a band with the other. They both relaxed their standards too much in each other's absence, and a lot of their music became just "good enough". Not bad in any way, they both still wrote tunes just about anyone else would be proud to call their own, but they would rarely truly touch their earlier genius again. Noel's written at least two songs I consider on a par with his own legacy: Alone on the Rope and A Simple Game of Genius (typical for Noel, his best tunes end up as B-sides of bonus tracks). They don't have Oasis' distinctive sound, nor do they have Liam's voice and attitude, but as pieces of music they're about as good as anything he's ever done. I'm hoping WBTM will yield at least one more of that caliber.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 14:09:47 GMT -5
Who else has he openly attacked? And you'd better come up with something better than just `parka monkeys'.Noel introduced that particular term. Ask him to define it. It doesn't take a genius to work out the `parka monkeys' are the ones attacking his family on social media. He more or less defined who the parka monkeys are in the recent interview, which clarifies his position on the people he is addressing/attacking, and also on not wanting an Oasis reunion. Made total sense to me, and I totally understand why he is lashing back out. Do you understand that too?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 14:11:28 GMT -5
Noel introduced that particular term. Ask him to define it. It doesn't take a genius to work out the `parka monkeys' are the ones attacking his family on social media ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 18, 2017 14:16:57 GMT -5
Noel introduced that particular term. Ask him to define it. It doesn't take a genius to work out the `parka monkeys' are the ones attacking his family on social media. He more or less defined who the parka monkeys are in the recent interview, which clarifies his position on the people he is addressing/attacking, and also on not wanting an Oasis reunion. Made total sense to me, and I totally understand why he is lashing back out. Do you understand that too? There you go again attacking people's intelligence for not seeing things your way. And by the way, that is a VERY contrived interpretation of Noel's statements. He wasn't exactly brimming with worry for his family when his IG posted "and to think the parka monkeys aren't having it!"
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2017 14:21:51 GMT -5
Noel introduced that particular term. Ask him to define it. It doesn't take a genius to work out the `parka monkeys' are the ones attacking his family on social media. He more or less defined who the parka monkeys are in the recent interview, which clarifies his position on the people he is addressing/attacking, and also on not wanting an Oasis reunion. Made total sense to me, and I totally understand why he is lashing back out. Do you understand that too? Really?
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 14:22:17 GMT -5
Lennon was bitter,yes, but that lasted like 2 years? He chilled after that. And let's not compare Noel with Lennon. Lennon came with Imagine after the split which is as big as any Beatles tune. Noel, in all honesty, hasn't come up with a song in 15 years or so. I think he's forgotten his roots. He's not someone with a big mouth now, he's just an old dick. A mighty eagle dick. Up to 1980 he was still going on about the "idiots" who didn't "get what the Beatles had been about" because they wanted to see a reunion. He had mellowed out a lot and was a lot less angry, but the Beatles never really stopped being a thorn in his side when all he wanted to do was move forward. And of course, Imagine's untouchable, as worthy as the very best the Beatles ever did. But it was the exception that proves the rule. Both him and Paul suffered from not having the pressure of being in a band with the other. They both relaxed their standards too much in each other's absence, and a lot of their music became just "good enough". Not bad in any way, they both still wrote tunes just about anyone else would be proud to call their own, but they would rarely truly touch their earlier genius again. Noel's written at least two songs I consider on a par with his own legacy: Alone on the Rope and A Simple Game of Genius (typical for Noel, his best tunes end up as B-sides of bonus tracks). They don't have Oasis' distinctive sound, nor do they have Liam's voice and attitude, but as pieces of music they're about as good as anything he's ever done. I'm hoping WBTM will yield at least one more of that caliber. Good post! I agree with just about everything you said.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 14:25:57 GMT -5
It doesn't take a genius to work out the `parka monkeys' are the ones attacking his family on social media. He more or less defined who the parka monkeys are in the recent interview, which clarifies his position on the people he is addressing/attacking, and also on not wanting an Oasis reunion. Made total sense to me, and I totally understand why he is lashing back out. Do you understand that too? There you go again attacking people's intelligence for not seeing things your way. And by the way, that is a VERY contrived interpretation of Noel's statements. He wasn't exactly brimming with worry for his family when his IG posted "and to think the parka monkeys aren't having it!" Maybe I see things differently to you. To me it was glaringly obvious, but maybe a few of you need things spelling out more clearly, but I doubt Noel will give you the satisfaction. I'm also amazed anyone would take offence to being called a parka monkey. I wear pretty Green, I like Oasis - therefore I must be a parka monkey too. Did I take offence.....?
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 14:26:30 GMT -5
It doesn't take a genius to work out the `parka monkeys' are the ones attacking his family on social media. He more or less defined who the parka monkeys are in the recent interview, which clarifies his position on the people he is addressing/attacking, and also on not wanting an Oasis reunion. Made total sense to me, and I totally understand why he is lashing back out. Do you understand that too? Really? Yes. Really.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2017 14:29:08 GMT -5
Really? Yes. Really. What do you base that on exactly?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 14:29:52 GMT -5
What do you base that on exactly? I don't know why you're bothering with this.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 14:36:33 GMT -5
What do you base that on exactly? It looks like I will have to break things down more clearly for some of you. Let's look at the evidence. Exhibit A - a hardcore section of Oasis fans that are vocally siding with Liam, and are abusing NG's family at the same time - all on social media. Exhibit B - a generalised view of what hardcore Liam Gallagher fans wear? Parka coats. Exhibit C - Noel finally comes out in an interview to explain more on why he doesn't want Oasis to reform, after seeing his family attacked on social media, triggered by a movement he claims is caused initially by Liam on social media. Jesus! This is not rocket science, folks.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2017 14:36:43 GMT -5
What do you base that on exactly? I don't know why you're bothering with this. I've got some time on my hands.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2017 14:42:06 GMT -5
What do you base that on exactly? It looks like I will have to break things down more clearly for some of you. Let's look at the evidence. Exhibit A - a hardcore section of Oasis fans that are vocally siding with Liam, and are abusing NG's family at the same time - all on social media. Exhibit B - a generalised view of what hardcore Liam Gallagher fans wear? Parka coats. Exhibit C - Noel finally comes out in an interview to explain more on why he doesn't want Oasis to reform, after seeing his family attacked on social media, triggered by a movement he claims is caused initially by Liam on social media. Jesus! This is not rocket science, folks. Exhibit A - Vocally siding with Liam does not necessarily translate to abusing his family online. A lot of trolls are ready to abuse people they have no connection with whatsoever. See Daily Mail comments section for examples. Exhibit B - So you admit he is making a generalisation, one therefore that isn't entirely true and that Oasis fans may not agree with. Exhibit C - Public figure are abused on social media without anyone starting a movement, not that Liam or any one else has actually started a movement. A movement? Haha fucking hell.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 14:42:14 GMT -5
I don't know why you're bothering with this. I've got some time on my hands. So have I. And looks like AKA...What a LAD has too.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 14:50:17 GMT -5
It looks like I will have to break things down more clearly for some of you. Let's look at the evidence. Exhibit A - a hardcore section of Oasis fans that are vocally siding with Liam, and are abusing NG's family at the same time - all on social media. Exhibit B - a generalised view of what hardcore Liam Gallagher fans wear? Parka coats. Exhibit C - Noel finally comes out in an interview to explain more on why he doesn't want Oasis to reform, after seeing his family attacked on social media, triggered by a movement he claims is caused initially by Liam on social media. Jesus! This is not rocket science, folks. Exhibit A - Vocally siding with Liam does not necessarily translate to abusing his family online. A lot of trolls are ready to abuse people they have no connection with whatsoever. See Daily Mail comments section for examples. Exhibit B - So you admit he is making a generalisation, one therefore that isn't entirely true and that Oasis fans may not agree with. Exhibit C - Public figure are abused on social media without anyone starting a movement, not that Liam or any one else has actually started a movement. A movement? Haha fucking hell. Exhibit A - As Noel doesn't spend any time on social media, I guess from the feedback he receives he'll presume they are Liam fans trolling his family. I haven't bothered to read the troll posts myself, so I cannot form an opinion that they have no connection whatsoever - but Noel has obviously reached that conclusion, so either he is just presuming, or the content of the posts states the intention of who these trollers are. Exhibit B - of course I know its a generalisation. And one I don't agree with, because I wear Pretty Green. Did it bother me? Of course not. Any sane rational person wouldn't get offended by that. Anyone who would get offended by a cheeky, generalised remark like that needs to grow a fucking pair, or just grow up. Exhibit C - Liam made it an open sport on attacking Noel on social media. It's something everyone on planet earth seems to be aware of...except you?
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Nov 18, 2017 15:14:13 GMT -5
Noel introduced that particular term. Ask him to define it. It doesn't take a genius to work out the `parka monkeys' are the ones attacking his family on social media. He more or less defined who the parka monkeys are in the recent interview, which clarifies his position on the people he is addressing/attacking, and also on not wanting an Oasis reunion. Made total sense to me, and I totally understand why he is lashing back out. Do you understand that too? You’re not alone brother 🙂
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Post by mancraider on Nov 18, 2017 15:17:17 GMT -5
Noel and his family undoubtedly get online abuse and trolling, as do all celebrities and there families. It's an unfortunate fact of the modern age.
I've also seen Liam and Debbie both get abuse aimed at them online. I've also seen Liam defend Sara to people online accusing her of causing Oasis break up. I've never seen Liam talk shit about Sara or encourage others to do so apart from a couple of occasions when he responded to her directing comments to him on her own social media. Not to say it's never happened but I don't see it. He talks shit about Noel, as does Noel about him. That's been happening for over 20 years an neither has a right to take the high ground over that.
So I don't really believe Noel is being honest about this. I don't doubt there.is online abuse of his family but I dont believe Liam can be held responsible for that. Still, both of them have shown there is very little they won't use to trash the other given the chance.
It's a pointless argument really so I'm gonna drink wine instead.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 15:26:39 GMT -5
It doesn't take a genius to work out the `parka monkeys' are the ones attacking his family on social media. He more or less defined who the parka monkeys are in the recent interview, which clarifies his position on the people he is addressing/attacking, and also on not wanting an Oasis reunion. Made total sense to me, and I totally understand why he is lashing back out. Do you understand that too? You’re not alone brother 🙂 Cheers pal!
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2017 15:27:12 GMT -5
Exhibit A - Vocally siding with Liam does not necessarily translate to abusing his family online. A lot of trolls are ready to abuse people they have no connection with whatsoever. See Daily Mail comments section for examples. Exhibit B - So you admit he is making a generalisation, one therefore that isn't entirely true and that Oasis fans may not agree with. Exhibit C - Public figure are abused on social media without anyone starting a movement, not that Liam or any one else has actually started a movement. A movement? Haha fucking hell. Exhibit A - As Noel doesn't spend any time on social media, I guess from the feedback he receives he'll presume they are Liam fans trolling his family. I haven't bothered to read the troll posts myself, so I cannot form an opinion that they have no connection whatsoever - but Noel has obviously reached that conclusion, so either he is just presuming, or the content of the posts states the intention of who these trollers are. Exhibit B - of course I know its a generalisation. And one I don't agree with, because I wear Pretty Green. Did it bother me? Of course not. Any sane rational person wouldn't get offended by that. Anyone who would get offended by a cheeky, generalised remark like that needs to grow a fucking pair, or just grow up. Exhibit C - Liam made it an open sport on attacking Noel on social media. It's something everyone on planet earth seems to be aware of...except you? Exhibit A - So its presumption then. He doesn't get social media and doesn't go on it but just assumes its Liam fans who are doing it. Thats not to say no Liam fans are doing it but from what I've seen there are many of the standard internet trolls. And if you can't form an opinion why are you making an argument for it? You seemingly know as much as Noel about it. Exhibit B - You are again assuming that people are mortally offended. Noel gives his opinion and people respond to that opinion, that's how life in general works. Saying he is a dick does not mean you have been having a good cry about it. Exhibit C - Liam has attacked his brother on social media, has he invited others to do the same to him or his family? Noel has belittled his brother in the press over a 20 year period helping shape public opinion of him? Is that not the same or similar.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 15:28:55 GMT -5
Noel and his family undoubtedly get online abuse and trolling, as do all celebrities and there families. It's an unfortunate fact of the modern age. I've also seen Liam and Debbie both get abuse aimed at them online. I've also seen Liam defend Sara to people online accusing her of causing Oasis break up. I've never seen Liam talk shit about Sara or encourage others to do so apart from a couple of occasions when he responded to her directing comments to him on her own social media. Not to say it's never happened but I don't see it. He talks shit about Noel, as does Noel about him. That's been happening for over 20 years an neither has a right to take the high ground over that. So I don't really believe Noel is being honest about this. I don't doubt there.is online abuse of his family but I dont believe Liam can be held responsible for that. Still, both of them have shown there is very little they won't use to trash the other given the chance. It's a pointless argument really so I'm gonna drink wine instead.That sounds like a good idea. I'll drink to that!
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Post by jxing on Nov 18, 2017 15:29:28 GMT -5
First of all, I wasn't referring to anyone that attacks his family on social media. He also hasn't specified that those fans are the parka monkeys or whatever else insult he keeps throwing at fans. However, regarding the social media victim bullshit... they really loose any leverage to claim victim when they participate in the social media bullshit... these aren't his young sons.. it's his teenage daughter and wife... if they can't take the reality of social media then they need to not be on a public platform and I'm not justifying that behavior but they more often than LG kids have instigated it so...that argument doesn't hold up for me. I'm sure you'll have some obnoxious and insulting response since that seems to be your typical response.
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