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Post by northernsky on Nov 18, 2017 11:33:43 GMT -5
I edited my post once I read that interview again. Refresh your browser and read my post again. Ah I see. I can understand being tired of a reunion getting brought up. But I would like to think (not knowing cause I haven’t been there) that if I were one of the very few people in history fortunate enough to be in a band as beloved as Oasis, so loved that even nearly a decade after the breakup people still want more, I would be grateful enough for that privledge I could respond to the clamoring with a bit more grace. I’m sure by Noel’s standards those people probably don’t “have lives” - not everyone gets invited to party with Bono and Robert DeNiro. But the only reason Noel has this life is because of the very people he so callously dismisses here. Just poor form all around it seems to me. But hey, this is a Gallagher brother. Don’t know why I expect more at this point. I just can’t remember a time when so much of Noel’s barbs were aimed squarely at so many of his own fans. A 26 year-old Noel fresh off of government assistance making fun of Phil Collins felt very different than a 50 year-old bazillionaire Noel making fun of the commoners. And for what it’s worth, I completely agree with the assessment of Noel you added regarding BHN etc.
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Post by neila83 on Nov 18, 2017 11:33:53 GMT -5
1. Assuming Noel means the parka monkeys are the diehard Liam Only Fans - the ones that used to behave like right nobs at Oasis concerts (starting fights, pissing in bottles to throw at people, etc.), then he may have a point. The problem is that whenever he mentions the divisive nature of HM he always seems to fall back on some variation of the parka monkeys not getting it. I can assure you that I meet absolutely none of the qualities mentioned here, and I loathe HM. But apparently this possibility hasn’t occurred to our Noel. 3. Where has Noel ever said that, or even implied that? In this very interview, no? I really would stop taking things Noel says so personally. I'm sure everyone being all sensitive and offended has had absolutely no problem before with 20 years of Noel hurling insults around. It's completely obvious what Noel is talking about with the parka monkey reference, as has been pointed out. I've been to enough gigs to know Oasis had a very ugly section of complete knobs in their following and I'm sure Noel will shed no tears to lose them. He's not saying if you don't get it you're a park monkey, he just said those guys won't get it. Why all the offence? I really don't get why everyone is suddenly so sensitive about Noel, it's PC gone mad I tell you! Bunch of snowflakes
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Post by northernsky on Nov 18, 2017 11:41:35 GMT -5
I really would stop taking things Noel says so personally. I'm sure everyone being all sensitive and offended has had absolutely no problem before with 20 years of Noel hurling insults around. To quote myself from another reply - “A 26 year-old Noel fresh off of government assistance making fun of Phil Collins felt very different than a 50 year-old bazillionaire Noel making fun of the commoners.” But also, as I’ve said before, I don’t know why I expect any grace or tact from a Gallagher. It’s just weird to see the direction which Noel’s trademark barbs have turned of late. Not exactly “punching up” lately, eh?
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 11:42:51 GMT -5
I edited my post once I read that interview again. Refresh your browser and read my post again. Ah I see. I can understand being tired of a reunion getting brought up. But I would like to think (not knowing cause I haven’t been there) that if I were one of the very few people in history fortunate enough to be in a band as beloved as Oasis, so loved that even nearly a decade after the breakup people still want more, I would be grateful enough for that privledge I could respond to the clamoring with a bit more grace. I’m sure by Noel’s standards those people probably don’t “have lives” - not everyone gets invited to party with Bono and Robert DeNiro. But the only reason Noel has this life is because of the very people he so callously dismisses here. Just poor form all around it seems to me. But hey, this is a Gallagher brother. Don’t know why I expect more at this point. I just can’t remember a time when so much of Noel’s barbs were aimed squarely at so many of his own fans. A 26 year-old Noel fresh off of government assistance making fun of Phil Collins felt very different than a 50 year-old bazillionaire Noel making fun of the commoners. And for what it’s worth, I completely agree with the assessment of Noel you added regarding BHN etc. I think its the burned out feel he must get now when looking back at Oasis, and not being able to separate his bad feelings towards Liam, which is all part and parcel of everything that belonged to Oasis. That is probably why he responds so negatively towards an Oasis reunion. It means having to go back to putting up with his brother again, and all the negative stuff that would naturally bring with it. The Beatles were all negative about the band when they split up in the early 70's - even Paul. I think Lennon was the most dismissive of the band back then, moreso than Noel is now about Oasis.
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Post by Jim on Nov 18, 2017 11:45:47 GMT -5
This old parka monkey has spent a shite load of money to help put Noel in the position he is in.
I’ve no hassle with lassies being in the band, I don’t throw beer at gigs or act like a knob but I am an Oasis fan loyal to Liam’s spirit of the band.
I’ve also constantly supported Noel since turning solo and wanted him to broaden his horizons musically, I wanted the AA project to be a massive hit for him, but he is just acting the vagina as far as I can see recently. Over £100 spent on his album and tickets booked for Glasgow... I don’t feel he appreciates the older fan base right now because they may not buy into his new direction... It’s not very cool.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 12:00:05 GMT -5
This old parka monkey has spent a shite load of money to help put Noel in the position he is in. I’ve no hassle with lassies being in the band, I don’t throw beer at gigs or act like a knob but I am an Oasis fan loyal to Liam’s spirit of the band. I’ve also constantly supported Noel since turning solo and wanted him to broaden his horizons musically, I wanted the AA project to be a massive hit for him, but he is just acting the vagina as far as I can see recently. Over £100 spent on his album and tickets booked for Glasgow... I don’t feel he appreciates the older fan base right now because they may not buy into his new direction... It’s not very cool. I could easily put myself in the same bracket as you too, going by what you have written above. I'm exactly the same as you. I also think he talks a lot of BS in interviews, and I get annoyed as hell when he slags off my personal favourite album BHN, because I think its all a cover-up and BS by Noel, and that secretly he still loves BHN - but that's my own personal take on what he thinks. Others may disagree with me. BUT - the difference between me and you is, I am not offended in the slightest by any parka monkey references, or read too much into whether he really appreciates his fan base or not. I'm guessing Noel's new take on his fan base is the nasty stuff that gets brought to his attention on social media - attacking his wife and kids. The ones who love Liam but hate Noel, and write nasty, personal stuff towards his family. It is obvious they are the fans he is referring to when slagging the parka monkeys off. And rightly so too! They deserve to be slagged off! You obviously don't fall into that category, so you shouldn't be thinking the insults are aimed at you - because they clearly aren't. All I really care about is the music itself. If I get something from his new album, that is all I want. If I can love his new material as much as I do BHN, then I'm a happy bunny. I've had my money well spent on a new album. And that's all it ever should be. Fans should stop being so sensitive about the Gallagher brothers and remember why they fell in love with them in the first place - because they had a `fuck you' attitude to everything and nothing. Since when did Oasis and hyper sensitivity go hand-in-hand? Since when did Oasis fans become so fragile?
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Post by ricksanchez on Nov 18, 2017 12:04:15 GMT -5
Oasis were supporting U2 on tour back in 1997 with the Popmart stuff. Liam used to say they were the best band and I remember an interview were Liam was like "Bono is God and I'm Jesus"... Liam now says U2 are a beige band. I guess people can change. I don't really understand why people take Noel's comments too personal. He was always a bullshitter, that's not new, so is Liam with all this I want Oasis to reform but the grumpy old one doesn't want to, it's pure fan service bullshit.
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 18, 2017 12:18:52 GMT -5
I’ve been living under Donald Trump’s bullshit this whole fucking year, and i gotta tell you, Noel’s Interviews for this record makes him sound just like him. Maybe it’s Trump fatigue but it’s not amusing me at the moment. He’s less funny/insightful - more defensive, insulting. Makes sense, trump and Noel are both Geminis. The intelligence level on this forum reaches a new low. Maybe try setting an example and don't attack people's intelligence for having strong disagreements with some of the bullshit coming out of Noel's cakehole.
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Post by jxing on Nov 18, 2017 12:46:28 GMT -5
This old parka monkey has spent a shite load of money to help put Noel in the position he is in. I’ve no hassle with lassies being in the band, I don’t throw beer at gigs or act like a knob but I am an Oasis fan loyal to Liam’s spirit of the band. I’ve also constantly supported Noel since turning solo and wanted him to broaden his horizons musically, I wanted the AA project to be a massive hit for him, but he is just acting the vagina as far as I can see recently. Over £100 spent on his album and tickets booked for Glasgow... I don’t feel he appreciates the older fan base right now because they may not buy into his new direction... It’s not very cool. I could easily put myself in the same bracket as you too, going by what you have written above. I'm exactly the same as you. I also think he talks a lot of BS in interviews, and I get annoyed as hell when he slags off my personal favourite album BHN, because I think its all a cover-up and BS by Noel, and that secretly he still loves BHN - but that's my own personal take on what he thinks. Others may disagree with me. BUT - the difference between me and you is, I am not offended in the slightest by any parka monkey references, or read too much into whether he really appreciates his fan base or not. I'm guessing Noel's new take on his fan base is the nasty stuff that gets brought to his attention on social media - attacking his wife and kids. The ones who love Liam but hate Noel, and write nasty, personal stuff towards his family. It is obvious they are the fans he is referring to when slagging the parka monkeys off. And rightly so too! They deserve to be slagged off! You obviously don't fall into that category, so you shouldn't be thinking the insults are aimed at you - because they clearly aren't. All I really care about is the music itself. If I get something from his new album, that is all I want. If I can love his new material as much as I do BHN, then I'm a happy bunny. I've had my money well spent on a new album. And that's all it ever should be. Fans should stop being so sensitive about the Gallagher brothers and remember why they fell in love with them in the first place - because they had a `fuck you' attitude to everything and nothing. Since when did Oasis and hyper sensitivity go hand-in-hand? Since when did Oasis fans become so fragile? I understand ur point of view and i would appreciate it if you could mine... as I'm also not one of those fans ( I don't own a parka) but here's the issue that I have... it is a very slippery slope in trying to call out a specific group of fans. If he had said those "parka monkeys fans that throw beer & piss at gigs" than that would have been justified. But he didn't. He generalized all his, oasis and Liam fans. I've said this before, his comments as well as Liam's do not affect my life but it bothers me that he feels it necessary to continue to shade anyone that doesn't like his new album. I'm not crazy about Holy mountain or Fort knox but I'm starting to enjoy beautiful world. However, his attitude and obnoxious comments are starting to overshadow his music. In other words, yeah I'll listen to the music but I'm not going to overly invest in it (financially or personally) For example; while I can appreciate Kanye West musical genius I'm not going to buy his album or attend a concert. And yes, for many years I was very anti-Liam and pro-noel for those same reasons. And It's what I'm willing to pay extra $$$ to fly to see Liam and none to see Noel in my hometown. My point is, do the bad fans outweight the good fans?
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 12:57:05 GMT -5
I could easily put myself in the same bracket as you too, going by what you have written above. I'm exactly the same as you. I also think he talks a lot of BS in interviews, and I get annoyed as hell when he slags off my personal favourite album BHN, because I think its all a cover-up and BS by Noel, and that secretly he still loves BHN - but that's my own personal take on what he thinks. Others may disagree with me. BUT - the difference between me and you is, I am not offended in the slightest by any parka monkey references, or read too much into whether he really appreciates his fan base or not. I'm guessing Noel's new take on his fan base is the nasty stuff that gets brought to his attention on social media - attacking his wife and kids. The ones who love Liam but hate Noel, and write nasty, personal stuff towards his family. It is obvious they are the fans he is referring to when slagging the parka monkeys off. And rightly so too! They deserve to be slagged off! You obviously don't fall into that category, so you shouldn't be thinking the insults are aimed at you - because they clearly aren't. All I really care about is the music itself. If I get something from his new album, that is all I want. If I can love his new material as much as I do BHN, then I'm a happy bunny. I've had my money well spent on a new album. And that's all it ever should be. Fans should stop being so sensitive about the Gallagher brothers and remember why they fell in love with them in the first place - because they had a `fuck you' attitude to everything and nothing. Since when did Oasis and hyper sensitivity go hand-in-hand? Since when did Oasis fans become so fragile? I understand ur point of view and i would appreciate it if you could mine... as I'm also not one of those fans ( I don't own a parka) but here's the issue that I have... it is a very slippery slope in trying to call out a specific group of fans. If he had said those "parka monkeys fans that throw beer & piss at gigs" than that would have been justified. But he didn't. He generalized all his, oasis and Liam fans. I've said this before, his comments as well as Liam's do not affect my life but it bothers me that he feels it necessary to continue to shade anyone that doesn't like his new album. I'm not crazy about Holy mountain or Fort knox but I'm starting to enjoy beautiful world. However, his attitude and obnoxious comments are starting to overshadow his music. In other words, yeah I'll listen to the music but I'm not going to overly invest in it (financially or personally) For example; while I can appreciate Kanye West musical genius I'm not going to buy his album or attend a concert. And yes, for many years I was very anti-Liam and pro-noel for those same reasons. And It's what I'm willing to pay extra $$$ to fly to see Liam and none to see Noel in my hometown. My point is, do the bad fans outweight the good fans? He is doing interview after interview, being asked the same questions about him and Liam, but what I reckon is really getting to Noel is the personal attack on his family, by his so-called `fans'. The fans who have sided with Liam, and think its fair game to go after his family. This is not me guessing Noel's thoughts or reading between the lines. This is what Noel has said on the record, and it is obvious those are the fans he is referring to. Quite rightly they deserved to be called out, slated and shamed. So its not the fans who wear parkas and throw piss about at gigs that he has a beef with. Its the ones who attack his family on social media, and he has stated that loud and clear. The `parka monkey' label is referencing those dicks. It maybe wasn't clear before, but it is now to anyone who listened to his recent interviews. So why are you having trouble understanding this, and thinking he is attacking you as a fan instead?
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 12:59:29 GMT -5
The intelligence level on this forum reaches a new low. Maybe try setting an example and don't attack people's intelligence for having strong disagreements with some of the bullshit coming out of Noel's cakehole. Read some of my posts, and you'll see I am trying to set an example. But putting Noel and Trump in the same bracket deserves to be scorned at.
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 18, 2017 13:02:26 GMT -5
Maybe try setting an example and don't attack people's intelligence for having strong disagreements with some of the bullshit coming out of Noel's cakehole. Read some of my posts, and you'll see I am trying to set an example. But putting Noel and Trump in the same bracket deserves to be scorned at. They're both rich narcissists who enjoy insulting those they consider beneath them. They're different in just about every other area (not least the hair department), but when Noel wants to be a mean son of a bitch, he excels at it. I near-worship him as an artist, but his dark side is DARK.
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Post by Katinká Ingabogovinana on Nov 18, 2017 13:09:26 GMT -5
Trump's pretty much offended everyone at this point except some white people, most notably, white males....Noël's nowhere near Trump level of offense.
Thanks.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2017 13:19:43 GMT -5
The problem is that whenever he mentions the divisive nature of HM he always seems to fall back on some variation of the parka monkeys not getting it. I can assure you that I meet absolutely none of the qualities mentioned here, and I loathe HM. But apparently this possibility hasn’t occurred to our Noel. In this very interview, no? I really would stop taking things Noel says so personally. I'm sure everyone being all sensitive and offended has had absolutely no problem before with 20 years of Noel hurling insults around. It's completely obvious what Noel is talking about with the parka monkey reference, as has been pointed out. I've been to enough gigs to know Oasis had a very ugly section of complete knobs in their following and I'm sure Noel will shed no tears to lose them. He's not saying if you don't get it you're a park monkey, he just said those guys won't get it. Why all the offence? I really don't get why everyone is suddenly so sensitive about Noel, it's PC gone mad I tell you! Bunch of snowflakes People aren't crying in to there beers on a Saturday night about the things Noel has been saying, however if Noel wants to target section of the Oasis fanbase personally then people who feel they might be within that section are well within there rights to respond, it doesn't ruin anyones day. You and many like you are actually making a bigger deal of it, its a standard tactic claiming that people are offended/triggered or acting hysterically when all they are doing is responding to an opinion with an opinion. I've been to quite a few Oasis gigs too, I've found those in the Parka's who have spen quite a bit of time on there hair are actually the least likely to be throwing piss in your face.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 13:21:24 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm actually enjoying this Noel/Liam thread...
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 13:32:07 GMT -5
Read some of my posts, and you'll see I am trying to set an example. But putting Noel and Trump in the same bracket deserves to be scorned at. They're both rich narcissists who enjoy insulting those they consider beneath them. They're different in just about every other area (not least the hair department), but when Noel wants to be a mean son of a bitch, he excels at it. I near-worship him as an artist, but his dark side is DARK. As was Lennon. But Noel being a mean son of a bitch to fans who personally attack his family on social media? You really think that is dark? I call that normal in my book.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 13:34:49 GMT -5
I really would stop taking things Noel says so personally. I'm sure everyone being all sensitive and offended has had absolutely no problem before with 20 years of Noel hurling insults around. It's completely obvious what Noel is talking about with the parka monkey reference, as has been pointed out. I've been to enough gigs to know Oasis had a very ugly section of complete knobs in their following and I'm sure Noel will shed no tears to lose them. He's not saying if you don't get it you're a park monkey, he just said those guys won't get it. Why all the offence? I really don't get why everyone is suddenly so sensitive about Noel, it's PC gone mad I tell you! Bunch of snowflakes People aren't crying in to there beers on a Saturday night about the things Noel has been saying, however if Noel wants to target section of the Oasis fanbase personally then people who feel they might be within that section are well within there rights to respond, it doesn't ruin anyones day. You and many like you are actually making a bigger deal of it, its a standard tactic claiming that people are offended/triggered or acting hysterically when all they are doing is responding to an opinion with an opinion. I've been to quite a few Oasis gigs too, I've found those in the Parka's who have spen quite a bit of time on there hair are actually the least likely to be throwing piss in your face. The people who are in that section that Noel is targeting - the ones who attack his family on social media - are absolute scumbags. They deserve it 100%.
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Nov 18, 2017 13:37:23 GMT -5
I would imagine almost every single celebrity receives a fair share of hatred towards family on social media. Noel making out he's in a minority when in fact its rife for everyone. Tell them to get off social media if you cant hack it ffs. Or make everything private. Simple.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 18, 2017 13:37:36 GMT -5
They're both rich narcissists who enjoy insulting those they consider beneath them. They're different in just about every other area (not least the hair department), but when Noel wants to be a mean son of a bitch, he excels at it. I near-worship him as an artist, but his dark side is DARK. As was Lennon. But Noel being a mean son of a bitch to fans who personally attack his family on social media? You really think that is dark? I call that normal in my book. Lennon was yeah, I don't like him either.
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Nov 18, 2017 13:40:57 GMT -5
Trump's pretty much offended everyone at this point except some white people, most notably, white males....Noël's nowhere near Trump level of offense. Thanks. Not true. Fake news
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 13:46:03 GMT -5
I would imagine almost every single celebrity receives a fair share of hatred towards family on social media. Noel making out he's in a minority when in fact its rife for everyone. Tell them to get off social media if you cant hack it ffs. Or make everything private. Simple. Where did Noel say he was in the minority on this? And yes, all celebs get attacked on social media. Does that mean the celebs can't call them out for doing so? If I was a celeb and my family were being abused and attacked on social media, I would be slagging them off too in interviews - as would you, and any other sane human being. Any celeb that wouldn't dare slag off people who attack them on social media are pathetic pussies in my book - something both Gallaghers could never be accused of, and probably why we are all fans of them in the first place - because they take on the world.
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 18, 2017 13:46:26 GMT -5
They're both rich narcissists who enjoy insulting those they consider beneath them. They're different in just about every other area (not least the hair department), but when Noel wants to be a mean son of a bitch, he excels at it. I near-worship him as an artist, but his dark side is DARK. As was Lennon. But Noel being a mean son of a bitch to fans who personally attack his family on social media? You really think that is dark? I call that normal in my book. Yeah, John Lennon could be a prick. And Noel's current attitude mirrors John's post-Beatles attitude in a lot of ways: Disdain for the work that made him who he is, scorn for the fans that miss it, and the deluded belief that whatever he's working on now is as interesting as what made him a legend in the first place. Noel's not restricting himself to people who "attack his family on social media".
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 13:47:05 GMT -5
As was Lennon. But Noel being a mean son of a bitch to fans who personally attack his family on social media? You really think that is dark? I call that normal in my book. Lennon was yeah, I don't like him either. So you openly admit you don't like Noel? Why are you an Oasis fan again?
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 18, 2017 13:48:05 GMT -5
Trump's pretty much offended everyone at this point except some white people, most notably, white males....Noël's nowhere near Trump level of offense. Thanks. Wait till Noel's elected Prime Minister
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 18, 2017 13:48:52 GMT -5
As was Lennon. But Noel being a mean son of a bitch to fans who personally attack his family on social media? You really think that is dark? I call that normal in my book. Yeah, John Lennon could be a prick. And Noel's current attitude mirrors John's post-Beatles attitude in a lot of ways: Disdain for the work that made him who he is, scorn for the fans that miss it, and the deluded belief that whatever he's working on now is as interesting as what made him a legend in the first place. Noel's not restricting himself to people who "attack his family on social media". Who else has he openly attacked? And you'd better come up with something better than just `parka monkeys'.
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