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Post by bt95 on Nov 16, 2017 13:04:57 GMT -5
So weird that Noel comes out with nonsense like this on a fairly regular basis, but people on here have pages of controversy over a girl playing the scissors. It's easier to poke fun at silliness like that than it is to face the fact that Noel's politics are kind of shitty. But what's shitty about suggesting the result of a democratic vote should be respected and that the people in charge should do their jobs???
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Post by bt95 on Nov 16, 2017 13:06:44 GMT -5
Is it still democracy when the people are misled and their decision is informed by information that isn't even true? No. Fuck off. Remain told just as many lies. They just weren't as effective. People had heard them all before. Scaremongering didn't work.
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Post by rickypaglais on Nov 16, 2017 13:06:47 GMT -5
It's easier to poke fun at silliness like that than it is to face the fact that Noel's politics are kind of shitty. But what's shitty about suggesting the result of a democratic vote should be respected and that the people in charge should do their jobs??? Completely agree.
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Post by bt95 on Nov 16, 2017 13:07:45 GMT -5
Noel seems so out of touch nowadays. I really don't think it's out of touch to say that a democratic vote should be respected and followed through... Which is all he said.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 13:09:45 GMT -5
How can you disagree with Noel on this?
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Post by fj on Nov 16, 2017 13:10:12 GMT -5
Noel seems so out of touch nowadays. I really don't think it's out of touch to say that a democratic vote should be respected and followed through... Which is all he said. I explained myself in a previous comment. I agree with what you say here though, that wasn't my point.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 16, 2017 13:13:14 GMT -5
Is it still democracy when the people are misled and their decision is informed by information that isn't even true? No. Fuck off. Remain told just as many lies. They just weren't as effective. People had heard them all before. Scaremongering didn't work. No lie is ideal, thankfully the lies from the Remain camp haven't increased racial tension and hate crime. It might not be scaremongering yet. Some of it anyway.
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 16, 2017 13:14:44 GMT -5
The "scaremongering" was inaccurate largely because it's unlike that Brexit will actually be possible. May's financial team doesn't even know the difference between payments and contracts, it seems. If you've been following the economics of what they've been trying to do, you'll know that there's a good chance Noel would actually be more professional. I really hope this leads to the end of the Tories.
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Post by CFC2013 on Nov 16, 2017 13:16:01 GMT -5
Noel has a way with words, but he's right. The referendum was put to question and people voted to leave. If people want to keep having referendums until they get the answer they want, then they should let the SNP have an independence referendum every month.
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Post by johnnyb on Nov 16, 2017 13:16:21 GMT -5
Why exactly would YOU want the voting age lowered to 16 years of age? Can you remember being 16? Can you remember you and your friends having a deep interest in the geopolitical cross party constraints of the European Union? If i had the choice i’d have the age higher than 18, i’d much rather (even as a young person) have mine and my country’s future determined by as well informed and experienced people as possible, rather than a bunch of kids that have 5 pubes between them, and of course i think the age of army inscription should be higher than 16. As i said earlier - the agenda of alot of the people calling for voting age to be lowered is nothing short of self serving, they know full well kids that young will vote for their party, and that’s all they care about. Anyway, Beautiful World appears to have almost leaked... Oh my God, what fucking nonsense. I can assure you as someone who was 16 at the time of the referendum that everyone in my high school had an opinion and a view, and we talked about it quite a bit. This Leninist idea of "We can't let the rabble decide!" is bullshit. The voting age should quite clearly be 16, end of. Yet your nonsense of wanting to abolish private property clearly out nonsense’s my nonsense in the top trumps of complete nonsense...
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 16, 2017 13:18:00 GMT -5
Oh my God, what fucking nonsense. I can assure you as someone who was 16 at the time of the referendum that everyone in my high school had an opinion and a view, and we talked about it quite a bit. This Leninist idea of "We can't let the rabble decide!" is bullshit. The voting age should quite clearly be 16, end of. Yet your nonsense of wanting to abolish private property clearly out nonsense’s my nonsense in the top trumps of complete nonsense... It's my opinion that all private property should be abolished. I think it's wrong and undemocratic, and one day we'll look back on it like we now do the feudal system. You think sixteen-year-olds shouldn't be able to vote.
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Post by jxing on Nov 16, 2017 13:19:13 GMT -5
Tbh, I'm not well informed on U.K. politics but it seems the brexit vote is similar to the Trump vote... people voted so those results, whether you agree or disagree should be accepted.
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Post by johnnyb on Nov 16, 2017 13:32:28 GMT -5
Yet your nonsense of wanting to abolish private property clearly out nonsense’s my nonsense in the top trumps of complete nonsense... It's my opinion that all private property should be abolished. I think it's wrong and undemocratic, and one day we'll look back on it like we now do the feudal system. You think sixteen-year-olds shouldn't be able Yes it’s your opinion, just like it’s my opinion that abolishing private property is by far and away much more ridiculous than keeping the voting age at 18. I’d love to read your plan on how it would be implemented and how it would work.
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 16, 2017 13:37:47 GMT -5
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Post by fenderlender on Nov 16, 2017 13:40:23 GMT -5
Yet your nonsense of wanting to abolish private property clearly out nonsense’s my nonsense in the top trumps of complete nonsense... It's my opinion that all private property should be abolished. I think it's wrong and undemocratic, and one day we'll look back on it like we now do the feudal system. You think sixteen-year-olds shouldn't be able to vote. Are you joking? I'm the same age as you mate, but this is why 16-17 year olds shouldn't vote lol.
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 16, 2017 13:42:04 GMT -5
It's my opinion that all private property should be abolished. I think it's wrong and undemocratic, and one day we'll look back on it like we now do the feudal system. You think sixteen-year-olds shouldn't be able to vote. Are you joking? I'm the same age as you mate, but this is why 16-17 year olds shouldn't vote lol. Nope, I'm a socialist.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 16, 2017 13:43:52 GMT -5
It's my opinion that all private property should be abolished. I think it's wrong and undemocratic, and one day we'll look back on it like we now do the feudal system. You think sixteen-year-olds shouldn't be able to vote. Are you joking? I'm the same age as you mate, but this is why 16-17 year olds shouldn't vote lol. What's wrong with what he says?
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Post by rickypaglais on Nov 16, 2017 13:47:22 GMT -5
The "scaremongering" was inaccurate largely because it's unlike that Brexit will actually be possible. May's financial team doesn't even know the difference between payments and contracts, it seems. If you've been following the economics of what they've been trying to do, you'll know that there's a good chance Noel would actually be more professional. I really hope this leads to the end of the Tories. If the alternative is that little wanker Corbyn and his mythical fairer Britain, then I don't want to know. He's the biggest pretender on the planet.
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Post by CFC2013 on Nov 16, 2017 13:47:45 GMT -5
Are you joking? I'm the same age as you mate, but this is why 16-17 year olds shouldn't vote lol. Nope, I'm a socialist. Libertarian Socialist? Anarchism and Socialism are somewhat different ideologies, but Libertarian Socialism sort of tries to bridge the two.
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 16, 2017 13:48:45 GMT -5
Libertarian Socialist? Anarchism and Socialism are somewhat different ideologies, but Libertarian Socialism sort of tries to bridge the two. That's the one
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Post by rickypaglais on Nov 16, 2017 13:49:02 GMT -5
Yet your nonsense of wanting to abolish private property clearly out nonsense’s my nonsense in the top trumps of complete nonsense... It's my opinion that all private property should be abolished. I think it's wrong and undemocratic, and one day we'll look back on it like we now do the feudal system. You think sixteen-year-olds shouldn't be able to vote. Absolute lunacy. All private property? Why would I bother to get out of my our bed every day?
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 16, 2017 13:49:28 GMT -5
The "scaremongering" was inaccurate largely because it's unlike that Brexit will actually be possible. May's financial team doesn't even know the difference between payments and contracts, it seems. If you've been following the economics of what they've been trying to do, you'll know that there's a good chance Noel would actually be more professional. I really hope this leads to the end of the Tories. If the alternative is that little wanker Corbyn and his mythical fairer Britain, then I don't want to know. He's the biggest pretender on the planet. Yeah, thank God you matured enough to be part of the electorate.
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 16, 2017 13:49:49 GMT -5
It's my opinion that all private property should be abolished. I think it's wrong and undemocratic, and one day we'll look back on it like we now do the feudal system. You think sixteen-year-olds shouldn't be able to vote. Absolute lunacy. All private property? Why would I bother to get out of my our bed every day? Eh?
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Nov 16, 2017 13:50:15 GMT -5
That he is pro Brexit is not even true. I understand that he just wants to get this miserable process of leaving the EU behind him. It's a shame that with lies the vote was won. Noel doesn't support Farage. I'm glad that it's just the other way around. I could see another referendum in 4 to 10 years, or even next year. But they at least should try it. I'm not a brit. So maybe I'm the wrong person to talk about it, just like millionaire Noel Gallagher.
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Post by rickypaglais on Nov 16, 2017 13:51:05 GMT -5
If the alternative is that little wanker Corbyn and his mythical fairer Britain, then I don't want to know. He's the biggest pretender on the planet. Yeah, thank God you matured enough to be part of the electorate. That's my opinion. What's the problem? Explain your opinion on private property please. I'm equally intrigued and disturbed by it.
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