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Post by mancraider on Nov 14, 2017 18:39:33 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher is the David Beckham of music. The best in the world at what he does well, but to many gaps in his skill set to be put alongside the very best. Mods keep on deleting my posts. Great job!!! I wrote that makes Liam Posh Spice then. People can’t handle that comment? Are these fans out here just babies? What gaps is Noel missing Mancraider? Liberal fascism at its best here Honest answer, I have no idea it was just a daft comment to get the more humourless members a bit hot under the collar. Although on reflection if I was trying to answer it seriously I'd say part of being one the very best is putting yourself out there creatively and taking real risk. Noel wants to be in that company and has tried in the past but has always backed away and retreated to his safe place musically. Probably turning fifty has made him realise it's now or never hence this direction with his new album but imo the actual music I've heard doesn't live upto his ambition. It's good music and maybe a bit different for noel but nothing revolutionary. And if.Liam is posh spice would that mean noel wears Liam's underpants? 😨 |
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Post by reelislub on Nov 14, 2017 18:55:55 GMT -5
Hi guys, not that I am expecting anybody to believe me but I have heard the album in full now and it's really very good. Not as "out there" as everyone is saying but definitely out there for Noel. IABW is an amazing tune, the JH performance does it no justice. I am posting here to say DitW is my favourite track on the album. It's haunting and melancholic. I am disappointed that it's my favourite as it's the most normal Noel track on the album and it actually doesn't fit the feel, vibe or the flow of the album at all but I am not one to complain about extra tunes. Peace Can you give us a track by track review? Maybe tomorrow when I am back at work as I don't have the album here and the only song I remember a significant amount of is DitW as it's the only one I replayed a fee times. Peace |
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Nov 14, 2017 19:07:50 GMT -5
Mods keep on deleting my posts. Great job!!! I wrote that makes Liam Posh Spice then. People can’t handle that comment? Are these fans out here just babies? What gaps is Noel missing Mancraider? Liberal fascism at its best here Honest answer, I have no idea it was just a daft comment to get the more humourless members a bit hot under the collar. Although on reflection if I was trying to answer it seriously I'd say part of being one the very best is putting yourself out there creatively and taking real risk. Noel wants to be in that company and has tried in the past but has always backed away and retreated to his safe place musically. Probably turning fifty has made him realise it's now or never hence this direction with his new album but imo the actual music I've heard doesn't live upto his ambition. It's good music and maybe a bit different for noel but nothing revolutionary. And if.Liam is posh spice would that mean noel wears Liam's underpants? 😨 😁 see carlober people can handle it. Noel is one of best. Personally, I haven’t heard a songwriter blow my mind in 20 years. |
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Post by eva on Nov 14, 2017 19:26:10 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher is the David Beckham of music. The best in the world at what he does well, but to many gaps in his skill set to be put alongside the very best. Mods keep on deleting my posts. Great job!!! I wrote that makes Liam Posh Spice then. People can’t handle that comment? Are these fans out here just babies? What gaps is Noel missing Mancraider? Liberal fascism at its best here your posts don't get deleted, they are moved to kiddies' corner because that's were they belong. childish posts winding up. we have a good thread going on and you have to make a comment to turn it into Liam bashing hour |
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Post by durk on Nov 14, 2017 19:32:03 GMT -5
Noel is right up with Johnny Marr for me- as far as melodies go.
One of the best.
Not as good as Lennon/McCartney - but who is?
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 14, 2017 19:34:09 GMT -5
For me it's Macca, then Lennon, then Noel. Ahead of Wilson, Jagger, Dylan, and anyone else.
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Post by mancraider on Nov 14, 2017 19:39:59 GMT -5
For me it's Macca, then Lennon, then Noel. Ahead of Wilson, Jagger, Dylan, and anyone else. No way on earth I'd put noel above dylan as a songwriter, but each to their own an all that. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 14, 2017 20:17:42 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher is the David Beckham of music. The best in the world at what he does well, but to many gaps in his skill set to be put alongside the very best. Mods keep on deleting my posts. Great job!!! I wrote that makes Liam Posh Spice then. People can’t handle that comment? Are these fans out here just babies? What gaps is Noel missing Mancraider? Liberal fascism at its best here An oxymoron generally used by believers of the latter who recognising "fascism" as a dirty word try to apply it to the former. |
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Nov 14, 2017 22:31:55 GMT -5
Mods keep on deleting my posts. Great job!!! I wrote that makes Liam Posh Spice then. People can’t handle that comment? Are these fans out here just babies? What gaps is Noel missing Mancraider? Liberal fascism at its best here your posts don't get deleted, they are moved to kiddies' corner because that's were they belong. childish posts winding up. we have a good thread going on and you have to make a comment to turn it into Liam bashing hour No true. Carlober has deleted sentences in my posts. You have no right to delete anything. Fact and I can prove it. What harm em I doing? |
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Nov 14, 2017 22:34:28 GMT -5
Mods keep on deleting my posts. Great job!!! I wrote that makes Liam Posh Spice then. People can’t handle that comment? Are these fans out here just babies? What gaps is Noel missing Mancraider? Liberal fascism at its best here An oxymoron generally used by believers of the latter who recognising "fascism" as a dirty word try to apply it to the former. How bout liberitis disease. |
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Nov 14, 2017 23:09:53 GMT -5
Noel is right up with Johnny Marr for me- as far as melodies go. One of the best. Not as good as Lennon/McCartney - but who is?They're out on their own for me. With some great bands you could compile a list of their top 25 songs. With The Beatles you could compile a list of the top 100 and they would all be excellent. Nobody has come close to them, their range of writing was something else too. Noel is a good writer but i don't really think he can be in the conversation with the likes of The Beatles, Dylan and some others. I personally put Damon Albarn ahead of Noel Gallagher as a songwriter, obviously that might be an unpopular opinion on here though. His body of work is far better and has done a few things that are just a level above anything Noel could write in my opinion. |
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Post by holidayinthesun on Nov 15, 2017 1:24:26 GMT -5
Noel is top 5. No way he is ahead of Brian Wilson though, not a chance.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 15, 2017 1:38:02 GMT -5
Noel is right up with Johnny Marr for me- as far as melodies go. One of the best. Not as good as Lennon/McCartney - but who is?They're out on their own for me. With some great bands you could compile a list of their top 25 songs. With The Beatles you could compile a list of the top 100 and they would all be excellent. Nobody has come close to them, their range of writing was something else too. Noel is a good writer but i don't really think he can be in the conversation with the likes of The Beatles, Dylan and some others. I personally put Damon Albarn ahead of Noel Gallagher as a songwriter, obviously that might be an unpopular opinion on here though. His body of work is far better and has done a few things that are just a level above anything Noel could write in my opinion. I'm putting NG on par with Lennon and McCartney. I don't think another writer has come closer to the 2 Beatles legends, and to put Damon ahead of NG is plain ludicrous. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 15, 2017 2:02:48 GMT -5
They're out on their own for me. With some great bands you could compile a list of their top 25 songs. With The Beatles you could compile a list of the top 100 and they would all be excellent. Nobody has come close to them, their range of writing was something else too. Noel is a good writer but i don't really think he can be in the conversation with the likes of The Beatles, Dylan and some others. I personally put Damon Albarn ahead of Noel Gallagher as a songwriter, obviously that might be an unpopular opinion on here though. His body of work is far better and has done a few things that are just a level above anything Noel could write in my opinion. I'm putting NG on par with Lennon and McCartney. I don't think another writer has come closer to the 2 Beatles legends, and to put Damon ahead of NG is plain ludicrous. O.o |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 15, 2017 3:29:21 GMT -5
Noel is nowhere near Lennon, McCartney, or Dylan.
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Post by dennizz on Nov 15, 2017 3:35:26 GMT -5
see i don't get that, we all love Noel Gallagher's music but outside the UK he's not considered a great songwriter.He very much is. Not to the extent that is deserved, probably, but: - South America - Oasis and NG (and LG) are still considered the very biggest around - America - A hardcore fanbase may be, but I bet most American music listeners of a certain age can name and would know three-five Oasis songs, more than can be said for most British bands. - Europe - Huge fan base across Italy and Spain, especially. i know he's big all over but i still think he's not considered a great songwriter, or not taken too seriously as a songwriter |
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Post by bloodonthetracks on Nov 15, 2017 3:58:23 GMT -5
Don't even mention Noel in the same sentence as the likes of Lennon, McCartney, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Jagger/Richards and quite a few others.
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Post by bt95 on Nov 15, 2017 4:13:17 GMT -5
Noel is nowhere near Lennon, McCartney, or Dylan. Well of course not, overall. He's the tier below. But, his best songs (Live Forever, DLBIA, Champagne Supernova, Slide Away). For me they're up there with the timeless Beatles, Stones and Dylan songs. |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 15, 2017 4:14:23 GMT -5
Don't even mention Noel in the same sentence as the likes of Lennon, McCartney, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Jagger/Richards and quite a few others. His first two albums are up there with stuff those guys produced though. Noel didn't perhaps have the longevity, but he's definitely in the bracket just below those guys, with Weller etc. |
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Post by discworld on Nov 15, 2017 4:20:01 GMT -5
Jagger and Richards are far below Lennon, McCartney, Bob Dylan and Neil Young.
Noel Gallagher is easily above Jagger and Richards.
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Post by bloodonthetracks on Nov 15, 2017 4:40:21 GMT -5
There is absolutely no chance that Noel Gallagher can be easily above Jagger/Richards. It's laughable. Just look at The Rolling Stones back catalogue. Beggars Banquet, Let it bleed, Sticky fingers, Exile on main street, Goats head soup, Aftermath, Some girls......The countless singles from the 60's.
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Post by pliolite on Nov 15, 2017 4:41:33 GMT -5
If we're talking British songwriters Noel is very much up in the big leagues. Though people are forgetting about some of the greatest of all time...! This is a list of British songwriters I love (in no order)
Noel/Liam (Oasis)
Page/Plant (Led Zeppelin)
Waters/Gilmour (Pink Floyd)
Bowie (er, Bowie)
Morrissey/Marr (The Smiths)
Lennon/McCartney (The Beatles)
Townsend (The Who)
Thom Yorke (Radiohead)
Manic Street Preachers
Jarvis Cocker
Richard Ashcroft
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Post by LlAM on Nov 15, 2017 4:42:49 GMT -5
What defines a great songwriter though?
Surely if I prefer Noel's songs in general to Lennon's, then Noel is for me the better songwriter?
If we define it by legacy in the public domain, then surely Lennon and McCartney are the best songwriters ever?
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Post by AubreyOasis on Nov 15, 2017 4:45:23 GMT -5
If you consider influence/importance in music, Noel is clearly very far away from Dylan, Lennon and McCartney, Brian Wilson, etc. But for me personally, only 2-3 other songwriters in history have so many songs that connect with me so deeply. For instance, while I acknowledge Dylan's importance, the only albums that really connect to me and that I have been listening to on a regular basis for years are "Blood on the Tracks" and "Blonde on Blonde", and even in the second one I usually skip a few tracks. So I prefer Noel over Dylan even though it would be foolish to say that Noel is "better" than Dylan
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Post by seanrulesrh on Nov 15, 2017 5:02:57 GMT -5
Can you give us a track by track review? Maybe tomorrow when I am back at work as I don't have the album here and the only song I remember a significant amount of is DitW as it's the only one I replayed a fee times. Peace Leak the album then,upload it to the internet if you got it. Or at least talk about what you recall in the album besides DITW mate. Not believing until I see |
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