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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 14, 2017 5:05:41 GMT -5
see i don't get that, we all love Noel Gallagher's music but outside the UK he's not considered a great songwriter.He very much is. Not to the extent that is deserved, probably, but: - South America - Oasis and NG (and LG) are still considered the very biggest around - America - A hardcore fanbase may be, but I bet most American music listeners of a certain age can name and would know three-five Oasis songs, more than can be said for most British bands. - Europe - Huge fan base across Italy and Spain, especially. I think Oasis are fairly big in Asia, particularly places like Japan. |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 14, 2017 5:18:34 GMT -5
He very much is. Not to the extent that is deserved, probably, but: - South America - Oasis and NG (and LG) are still considered the very biggest around - America - A hardcore fanbase may be, but I bet most American music listeners of a certain age can name and would know three-five Oasis songs, more than can be said for most British bands. - Europe - Huge fan base across Italy and Spain, especially. He's not Mcartney/Dylan/Jagger Richards League to be honest. I have him a bit below the very greatest Well of course not. And I'm not saying he is up there - though NG's best songs rival their best songs, if you get me. But he is a great songwriter and is considered that all around the world. Just not in the 'volume' in some places as others. |
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Post by jeffrey on Nov 14, 2017 5:48:47 GMT -5
He very much is. Not to the extent that is deserved, probably, but: - South America - Oasis and NG (and LG) are still considered the very biggest around - America - A hardcore fanbase may be, but I bet most American music listeners of a certain age can name and would know three-five Oasis songs, more than can be said for most British bands. - Europe - Huge fan base across Italy and Spain, especially. He's not Mcartney/Dylan/Jagger Richards League to be honest. I have him a bit below the very greatest Massive Oasis fan in the US (Texas) and have met a few people who are also fanatics; however, it’s very rare. Unless you’re a true music fan, or just prefer British rock/pop, you wouldn’t have a clue who Noel Gallagher is. In regard to his place among songwriters — I think Noel is directly behind Macca/Lennon as a melodicist, and top 20 in general. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Nov 14, 2017 6:00:37 GMT -5
If only it had been 2001 when Noel had experienced this recent musical epiphany about the need for artists to grow and develop then I think he would definitely be right up there with Lennon, McCartney, Dylan etc at this point.
Instead he chickened out and he's delivered ultra safe albums like Heathen Chemistry and HFB1 and it's cost his songwriting legacy dearly.
On another note, I honestly can't remember the last type I was as hyped for a new Noel tune as I am for Dead In The Water.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 6:07:45 GMT -5
see i don't get that, we all love Noel Gallagher's music but outside the UK he's not considered a great songwriter.He very much is. Not to the extent that is deserved, probably, but: - South America - Oasis and NG (and LG) are still considered the very biggest around - America - A hardcore fanbase may be, but I bet most American music listeners of a certain age can name and would know three-five Oasis songs, more than can be said for most British bands. - Europe - Huge fan base across Italy and Spain, especially. oasis is huge in southamerica, specialy in Argentina. They could only be bested in tickets sales by the Stones and los Redondos, an maybe paired by U2 Thats why it pissed me off that Noel went as U2 "telonero" last month. He is fucking Noel Gallagher for gods sake. Hope one day he realises where he belonged and embraces what made him really great. |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 14, 2017 6:10:04 GMT -5
If only it had been 2001 when Noel had experienced this recent musical epiphany about the need for artists to grow and develop then I think he would definitely be right up there with Lennon, McCartney, Dylan etc at this point. Instead he chickened out and he's delivered ultra safe albums like Heathen Chemistry and HFB1 and it's cost his songwriting legacy dearly. On another note, I honestly can't remember the last type I was as hyped for a new Noel tune as I am for Dead In The Water. See, I'd rank HFB1 as one of Noel's best - probably in his top five of the ten studio album's he's created. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 6:21:52 GMT -5
If only it had been 2001 when Noel had experienced this recent musical epiphany about the need for artists to grow and develop then I think he would definitely be right up there with Lennon, McCartney, Dylan etc at this point. Instead he chickened out and he's delivered ultra safe albums like Heathen Chemistry and HFB1 and it's cost his songwriting legacy dearly. On another note, I honestly can't remember the last type I was as hyped for a new Noel tune as I am for Dead In The Water. See, I'd rank HFB1 as one of Noel's best - probably in his top five of the ten studio album's he's created. Yeah I agree, it was a good album. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Nov 14, 2017 6:43:53 GMT -5
If only it had been 2001 when Noel had experienced this recent musical epiphany about the need for artists to grow and develop then I think he would definitely be right up there with Lennon, McCartney, Dylan etc at this point. Instead he chickened out and he's delivered ultra safe albums like Heathen Chemistry and HFB1 and it's cost his songwriting legacy dearly. On another note, I honestly can't remember the last type I was as hyped for a new Noel tune as I am for Dead In The Water. See, I'd rank HFB1 as one of Noel's best - probably in his top five of the ten studio album's he's created. It's solid but bland, and for that reason will never be thought of as a classic album. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Nov 14, 2017 9:08:28 GMT -5
For me, I feel like if a song has enough great songs on it, then it's great album and in my view HFB1 qualifies as that. I know some don't care for the production on it, but I'm fine with it, though I certainly wouldn't rank it amongst the best produced albums of all time.
How many classic albums does one tend to get in life? Sure, we can think of a few notable examples like The Beatles and Bob Dylan who have at least five. But how many do The Kinks have? Three maybe? How many do The Beach Boys have? Perhaps only one that falls truly within the canon of "classic albums." The Band, one of my all time favourites has only two. I think Noel's two classics put him in pretty good company.
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Post by morning_rain on Nov 14, 2017 9:08:29 GMT -5
Every time STC comes up in this forum I feel like an alien. I ADORE that song. It's everything I wanted it to be. My only regret is that it wasn't released by Oasis. I feel the same, I'd wish it was on DOYS with Record Machine. |
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Post by eva on Nov 14, 2017 10:21:48 GMT -5
really looking forward to this track. it probably won't fit with the rest of the album, but it's a bonus track and sort of like an anchor to the "old" Noel style some of us prefer
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Post by shoreline on Nov 14, 2017 10:24:59 GMT -5
Excited about this song, there is something special as Noel says when the artist is playing just for himself. The soundcheck version of IIHAG or the acoustic version of Supersonic are good examples of this. They just don't sound the same when he does them for an audience.
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Post by mancraider on Nov 14, 2017 10:35:50 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher is the David Beckham of music. The best in the world at what he does well, but to many gaps in his skill set to be put alongside the very best.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 14, 2017 12:42:47 GMT -5
I’m patiently waiting for the posts saying “I CANT BELIEVE HE DIDNT SAVE THIS FOR ALBUM #4!”
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Post by Manualex on Nov 14, 2017 12:52:24 GMT -5
I’m patiently waiting for the posts saying “I CANT BELIEVE HE DIDNT SAVE THIS FOR ALBUM #4!” With The way he talked about it on the italian radio it was going to be forgotten like out of sight, out of mind for him. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 14, 2017 12:53:43 GMT -5
I’m patiently waiting for the posts saying “I CANT BELIEVE HE DIDNT SAVE THIS FOR ALBUM #4!” With The way he talked about it on the italian radio it was going to be forgotten like out of sight, out of mind for him. Speaking of other lost classics..........I’ve always wanted to hear Noel comment on Alone On the Rope. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Nov 14, 2017 15:20:46 GMT -5
I'm surprised how much hype is surrounding this song. Yeah, it's the only "old Noel" song we're getting this cycle that we haven't heard yet. But is that any guarantee that it's good? I'm sure a lot of you will say that just because Who Built the Moon is experimental doesn't mean it's good. Same goes for traditional Noel. Just imagine if it's Leave My Guitar Alone pt. 2.  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 14, 2017 15:28:07 GMT -5
I'm surprised how much hype is surrounding this song. Yeah, it's the only "old Noel" song we're getting this cycle that we haven't heard yet. But is that any guarantee that it's good? I'm sure a lot of you will say that just because Who Built the Moon is experimental doesn't mean it's good. Same goes for traditional Noel. Just imagine if it's Leave My Guitar Alone pt. 2. We are also getting God Help Us All. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Nov 14, 2017 15:30:18 GMT -5
I'm surprised how much hype is surrounding this song. Yeah, it's the only "old Noel" song we're getting this cycle that we haven't heard yet. But is that any guarantee that it's good? I'm sure a lot of you will say that just because Who Built the Moon is experimental doesn't mean it's good. Same goes for traditional Noel. Just imagine if it's Leave My Guitar Alone pt. 2. We are also getting God Help Us All. We've had that one for years as a soundcheck recording. Dead in the Water we haven't heard in any form. |
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Post by AubreyOasis on Nov 14, 2017 15:35:10 GMT -5
I'm surprised how much hype is surrounding this song. Yeah, it's the only "old Noel" song we're getting this cycle that we haven't heard yet. But is that any guarantee that it's good? I'm sure a lot of you will say that just because Who Built the Moon is experimental doesn't mean it's good. Same goes for traditional Noel. Just imagine if it's Leave My Guitar Alone pt. 2. We are also getting God Help Us All. Eh? When is God Help us All going to be released? |
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Post by Manualex on Nov 14, 2017 15:51:30 GMT -5
We are also getting God Help Us All. Eh? When is God Help us All going to be released? Bonus track for Japan. So in 7 days |
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Post by reelislub on Nov 14, 2017 18:05:13 GMT -5
Hi guys, not that I am expecting anybody to believe me but I have heard the album in full now and it's really very good. Not as "out there" as everyone is saying but definitely out there for Noel. IABW is an amazing tune, the JH performance does it no justice.
I am posting here to say DitW is my favourite track on the album. It's haunting and melancholic. I am disappointed that it's my favourite as it's the most normal Noel track on the album and it actually doesn't fit the feel, vibe or the flow of the album at all but I am not one to complain about extra tunes.
Peace
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Nov 14, 2017 18:11:07 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher is the David Beckham of music. The best in the world at what he does well, but to many gaps in his skill set to be put alongside the very best. Mods keep on deleting my posts. Great job!!! I wrote that makes Liam Posh Spice then. People can’t handle that comment? Are these fans out here just babies? What gaps is Noel missing Mancraider? Liberal fascism at its best here |
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Post by durk on Nov 14, 2017 18:15:51 GMT -5
i like 'haunting and melancholic'
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 18:22:14 GMT -5
Hi guys, not that I am expecting anybody to believe me but I have heard the album in full now and it's really very good. Not as "out there" as everyone is saying but definitely out there for Noel. IABW is an amazing tune, the JH performance does it no justice. I am posting here to say DitW is my favourite track on the album. It's haunting and melancholic. I am disappointed that it's my favourite as it's the most normal Noel track on the album and it actually doesn't fit the feel, vibe or the flow of the album at all but I am not one to complain about extra tunes. Peace Can you give us a track by track review? |
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