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Post by jayjay66111 on Nov 5, 2017 5:28:30 GMT -5
8/10. My favourite tune so far, i think the studio version will sound immense, this record is really going to divide people, even more than i first thought, it doesn't sound like there's much middle ground, either people really like the new songs or absolutely hate them, personally im loving them.
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Post by glider on Nov 5, 2017 5:30:36 GMT -5
The problem here is of these two tracks, we're hearing them prior to the album version. Also, it doesn't help that the Jools mix is atrocious. The show has handled mixes way better in the past. The full potential of the songs aren't being displayed and it's hard to rate the song itself.
In terms of the small amount of enjoyment I could possibly have from the live performances, it is the one I've enjoyed the most. My biggest concern for this album is that Fort Knox will end up being the best thing, or the instrumentals - the full on songs we've heard aren't really charting unknown waters for Noel. She Taught Me is another Sara-centric MOR radio friendly Noel by numbers song, and Holy Mountain just is the sound Noel trying to hard to be different, yet still ends up with a Mucky Fingers / Do the Damage amalgamation. It's A Beautiful World from first listen even in this format was enjoyable for me and has interesting bits that will be fleshed out on the record mix. It isn't anything groundbreaking for Noel, but it sounds good to me.
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Post by fiordiligi on Nov 5, 2017 5:38:53 GMT -5
3/10 for me, I wish I could like it like the rest of you but I honestly think it's terrible, the only song we've heard so far that I really really dislike. And the scissors thing was funny the first time, but now it's just irritating. I'm sure the whole thing makes sense in its original french avant-garde context but that lady is now in a Noel Gallagher context and IMO looking like a page-boy from the renaissance who opens and closes scissors in front of a mic clashes with everything else around her. I finally figure it out who she reminds me of, not a page but Sigismondo Malatesta ahahah  (just kidding, no offense) |
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Nov 5, 2017 5:39:00 GMT -5
I think the 9 I gave has to be taken into context of the other songs. It’s really a 7 in the scheme of Noel.
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Post by MacaRonic on Nov 5, 2017 5:46:49 GMT -5
I gave it a very generous 7/10.
I like the verses but the chorus is a bit of a let down. I was expecting something else to happen in the song but we pretty much heard the whole thing in the album add. I like the guitar riffing, it sounds like U2 but I'm getting a Stone Roses vibe after the french bit. The mix sounds perfectly fine to me, 'Holy Mountain' on this show is a much nicer mix than the official version which is an absolute travesty!
There's nothing out if the ordinary here from Noel with these new tunes and I think this is the problem so far. People were expecting him to go further out of his comfort zone but so far these songs are Noel doing more 'What a Life!' and 'Ballad of the Mighty I' type songs. There's no progression from that territory and getting some weirdo to play the scissors and speak a bit of french is not going to change that. Disappointing.
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Post by anothergreatdivide on Nov 5, 2017 5:51:03 GMT -5
8/10. My favourite song of his released so far, actually a really really good song. I know the production is gonna ruin it for me when it comes to the studio version though but at least I know there's a fantastic song underneath!
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Post by carlober on Nov 5, 2017 5:55:52 GMT -5
I can't really rate a live version before hearing the album take, but I'll give my opinion anyway.
I like it so far, quite a lot.
Love the verses, like the chorus although it's not mind-blowing (Noel's vocals don't really help).
The best thing is the instrumentation: the main riff played by Gem is really cool and hit me since we heard the clip last month, Noel's tremolo-heavy, rhythm guitar is great (although it needs to be louder in the mix). And the instrumental interlude right after the French speech is brilliant.
The only real letdown for me are Noel's vocals, he was struggling a bit. It's a tough song to sing but this is a tad subpar if compared to his past standards.
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Post by OasisDG on Nov 5, 2017 6:33:55 GMT -5
I love it. It's one of those songs that sounds instantly recognisable. Very good tune.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 5, 2017 6:59:28 GMT -5
Ok, I'm really digging this, gave it a 8 but I want to hear the album version so bad
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Post by frogerz on Nov 5, 2017 7:04:10 GMT -5
This is the only song I've heard off the album that I really like. Much more like it..
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Post by matt on Nov 5, 2017 7:20:28 GMT -5
The problem here is of these two tracks, we're hearing them prior to the album version. Also, it doesn't help that the Jools mix is atrocious. The show has handled mixes way better in the past. The full potential of the songs aren't being displayed and it's hard to rate the song itself. In terms of the small amount of enjoyment I could possibly have from the live performances, it is the one I've enjoyed the most. My biggest concern for this album is that Fort Knox will end up being the best thing, or the instrumentals - the full on songs we've heard aren't really charting unknown waters for Noel. She Taught Me is another Sara-centric MOR radio friendly Noel by numbers song, and Holy Mountain just is the sound Noel trying to hard to be different, yet still ends up with a Mucky Fingers / Do the Damage amalgamation. It's A Beautiful World from first listen even in this format was enjoyable for me and has interesting bits that will be fleshed out on the record mix. It isn't anything groundbreaking for Noel, but it sounds good to me. Seriously though, who was expecting something ‘groundbreaking’ from Noel? This argument seems to be thrown out a lot lately for many who don’t particularly like this new stuff yet the album was never promised as ‘experimental’ or ‘groundbreaking’. But it was defined as different for Noel and more varied, and the songs we’ve all heard so far each have their own individual characteristics to mix things up. As Holmes alluded to last year, much of Noel’s music is mid tempo, but the rhythms here are varied up, the melodic ideas are different opposed to the traditional Noel style (granted, She Taught Me is most Noel like) and as seen on record, it’s much more multilayered with ideas going on further than a mere vocal melody and mid tempo plod. It’s not about Noel being experimental, it’s about Noel sounding reinvigorated. And these songs undoubtedly do that. For example, I don’t hear any similarities between Holy Mountain and Mucky Fingers/Do The Damage - the song is far more poppy, fun and colourful than those two. This one has an addictive refrain and hook that lodges in your head for a start. It’s A Beautiful World differs considerably from the acoustic plodders of yesteryear - as said, it bounces along with a great rhythm (Sharrocks drumming in this is great) and the comparisons between the comparatively drab What A Life and Ballad of the Mighty I from a poster above is well off the mark. Notice how both those songs are mid tempo, never quite reaching their potential. I think this song is the song that Ballad of the Mighty I could have been - it’s got that melancholy spirit to it that Noel excels at but it’s less laboured in its melody. The chorus here is one of Noel’s best in a long time - melodic ideas are quicker, snappier, punchier than the elongated and strained chorus melodies Noel has usually applied to many songs in latter years (‘What a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiife’ ‘Can’t find the meeaaaaaaaaaaaaaning’ ‘dreeeeeeeeeeeeeam on’ ‘in the heeeeeeeeeat of the moment’ ‘yes I’ll find yoooooooooooou’ etc etc etc to the point it’s bordering on cliche). And you know why it’s not groundbreaking, because it applies a trick from the classic era Noel - which is a great thing. In a full band form, it sounds very bouncy, cathartic and more euphoric but in actual fact it’s a very sad melody. It does something a bit more unusual in that the melody descends and there’s that tinge of regret and yearning associated with it, like many of Noel’s greatest melodies. This is why it is still recognisably Noel and isn’t the vast radical departure that some folk were strangely expecting - that’s a great thing because we all love his songs obviously, and it’s that quality that keeps us coming back (certainly with classic era Noel). It doesn’t sound like an Oasis chorus, but on closer inspection it uses the same tricks but it applies them in a different way. This is a great chorus and a great great song, one of his strongest in years and probably his most fully formed and satisfying solo tune yet. Not as good as Falling Down which is Noel’s benchmark for the last 17 years but in that same category which is testament in itself. I listened to this performance just once last night, not wanting to listen again as I held back for the studio version. But I woke up with it in my mind, and I’ve been constantly playing it. And it’s getting better and better with every listen. And the bizarre thing is I don’t even think Noel is that great a live performer, more so needing the euphoria of the crowd to elevate the live experience (as has happened when I’ve seen Noel, making it one of the best live experience ever). Yet the tune really carries the performance here. It’s cool, it swaggers.... but it’s also quite sad underneath it all. That’s true Noel Gallagher there, not the husk of recent years. The more colourful and mystical studio recording will drive the brilliance further adding even more depth to it. Reinvigorated Noel, ‘regenerated’ Noel but still recognisably Noel. My excitement for this album just keeps ramping up. |
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Post by dazed on Nov 5, 2017 7:28:45 GMT -5
its really meh but im sure its banging on the album, i love the female backing vocals though
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Post by freddy838 on Nov 5, 2017 7:31:03 GMT -5
Ok, I'm really digging this, gave it a 8 but I want to hear the album version so bad I may be simplifying things a bit but in the album preview we basically had a verse, a chorus and the French speaking bit, so I don't think judging from that performance last night there is anything else really to hear. It's standard verse, chorus, verse, chorus, French-lady-instead-of-solo, chorus. |
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Post by jeffrey on Nov 5, 2017 7:55:40 GMT -5
In terms of the small amount of enjoyment I could possibly have from the live performances, it is the one I've enjoyed the most. My biggest concern for this album is that Fort Knox will end up being the best thing, or the instrumentals - the full on songs we've heard aren't really charting unknown waters for Noel. She Taught Me is another Sara-centric MOR radio friendly Noel by numbers song, and Holy Mountain just is the sound Noel trying to hard to be different, yet still ends up with a Mucky Fingers / Do the Damage amalgamation. It's A Beautiful World from first listen even in this format was enjoyable for me and has interesting bits that will be fleshed out on the record mix. It isn't anything groundbreaking for Noel, but it sounds good to me. Seriously though, who was expecting something ‘groundbreaking’ from Noel? This argument seems to be thrown out a lot lately for many who don’t particularly like this new stuff yet the album was never promised as ‘experimental’ or ‘groundbreaking’. As Holmes alluded to last year, much of Noel’s music is mid tempo, but the rhythms here are varied up, the melodic ideas are different opposed to the traditional Noel style (granted, She Taught Me is most Noel like) and as seen on record, it’s much more multilayered with ideas going on further than a mere vocal melody and mid tempo plod. It’s not about Noel being experimental, it’s about Noel sounding reinvigorated. And these songs undoubtedly do that. For example, I don’t hear any similarities between Holy Mountain and Mucky Fingers/Do The Damage - the song is far more poppy, fun and colourful than those two. This one has an addictive refrain and hook that lodges in your head for a start. It’s A Beautiful World differs considerably from the acoustic plodders of yesteryear - as said, it bounces along with a great rhythm (Sharrocks drumming in this is great) and the comparisons between the comparatively drab What A Life and Ballad of the Mighty I from a poster above is well off the mark. Notice how both those songs are mid tempo, never quite reaching their potential. I think this song is the song that Ballad of the Mighty I could have been - it’s got that melancholy spirit to it that Noel excels at but it’s less laboured in its melody. The chorus here is one of Noel’s best in a long time - melodic ideas are quicker, snappier, punchier than the elongated and strained chorus melodies Noel has usually applied to many songs in latter years (‘What a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiife’ ‘Can’t find the meeaaaaaaaaaaaaaning’ ‘dreeeeeeeeeeeeeam on’ ‘in the heeeeeeeeeat of the moment’ ‘yes I’ll find yoooooooooooou’ etc etc etc to the point it’s bordering on cliche). And you know why it’s not groundbreaking, because it applies a trick from the classic era Noel - which is a great thing. In a full band form, it sounds very bouncy, cathartic and more euphoric but in actual fact it’s a very sad melody. It does something a bit more unusual in that the melody descends and there’s that tinge of regret and yearning associated with it, like many of Noel’s greatest melodies. This is why it is still recognisably Noel and isn’t the vast radical departure that some folk were strangely expecting - that’s a great thing because we all love his songs obviously, and it’s that quality that keeps us coming back (certainly with classic era Noel). It doesn’t sound like an Oasis chorus, but on closer inspection it uses the same tricks but it applies them in a different way. This is a great chorus and a great great song, one of his strongest in years and probably his most fully formed and satisfying solo tune yet. Not as good as Falling Down which is Noel’s benchmark for the last 17 years but in that same category which is testament in itself. I listened to this performance just once last night, not wanting to listen again as I held back for the studio version. But I woke up with it in my mind, and I’ve been constantly playing it. And it’s getting better and better with every listen. And the bizarre thing is I don’t even think Noel is that great a live performer, more so needing the euphoria of the crowd to elevate the live experience (as has happened when I’ve seen Noel, making it one of the best live experience ever). Yet the tune really carries the performance here. It’s cool, it swaggers.... but it’s also quite sad underneath it all. That’s true Noel Gallagher there, not the husk of recent years. The more colourful and mystical studio recording will drive the brilliance further adding even more depth to it. Reinvigorated Noel, ‘regenerated’ Noel but still recognisably Noel. My excitement for this album just keeps ramping up. I believe Noel has stated this album is much more psychedelic and out there than any of his previous work several times. In regard to WAL and BOTMI (far superior to anything from WBTM in my opinion), I thought that the new material was a retread on those tunes pretty much instantly. Further, I completely disagree with the melodies we’ve heard so far being anywhere near his “greatest melodies.” They're very basic/repetitive and lack a strong hook. In spite of disagreeing with the majority of your post, I LOVE Falling Down. Without question, a top 5 Noel song since 2000 for me. |
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Post by ladwithnoteeth on Nov 5, 2017 8:08:09 GMT -5
French members, did she say anything of importance? Anyway, this didn't work for me at all. But I've liked 50% of what I've heard so far, so I guess things could be worse. Here is what she says : "Ladies and gentleman, sit tight and say goodbye. Humanity is melting down. Borders are closing. Inhale, exhale. Relax, rest in peace, it's just the end of the world". |
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Post by sfsorrow on Nov 5, 2017 8:16:33 GMT -5
French members, did she say anything of importance? Anyway, this didn't work for me at all. But I've liked 50% of what I've heard so far, so I guess things could be worse. Here is what she says : "Ladies and gentleman, sit tight and say goodbye. Humanity is melting down. Borders are closing. Inhale, exhale. Relax, rest in peace, it's just the end of the world". He should go into the chorus of Mystical Machine Gun at that point. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 5, 2017 8:17:49 GMT -5
Ok, I'm really digging this, gave it a 8 but I want to hear the album version so bad I may be simplifying things a bit but in the album preview we basically had a verse, a chorus and the French speaking bit, so I don't think judging from that performance last night there is anything else really to hear. It's standard verse, chorus, verse, chorus, French-lady-instead-of-solo, chorus. I know, although I expect a longer outo I'm just talking about sound and atmosphere, What A Life wasn't that good of a live song the first times they played it, then they managed to get it right, that's why I want the album version |
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Post by janedoe on Nov 5, 2017 8:22:26 GMT -5
The best of the four tracks from the new album
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Post by ristlager on Nov 5, 2017 8:35:34 GMT -5
Holy Mountain: 9 Fort Knox: 6 She taught me to fly: 7 Beautiful world: 5 Really disappointed in this one, poor chorus and bad verses  Noel is slowly losing me with this album. Maybe a grower, and hopefully better on record. But can’t see what can really make the chorus better. Sounds exactly the same on the preview “trailer”. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 5, 2017 8:44:29 GMT -5
The problem here is of these two tracks, we're hearing them prior to the album version. Also, it doesn't help that the Jools mix is atrocious. The show has handled mixes way better in the past. The full potential of the songs aren't being displayed and it's hard to rate the song itself. In terms of the small amount of enjoyment I could possibly have from the live performances, it is the one I've enjoyed the most. My biggest concern for this album is that Fort Knox will end up being the best thing, or the instrumentals - the full on songs we've heard aren't really charting unknown waters for Noel. She Taught Me is another Sara-centric MOR radio friendly Noel by numbers song, and Holy Mountain just is the sound Noel trying to hard to be different, yet still ends up with a Mucky Fingers / Do the Damage amalgamation. It's A Beautiful World from first listen even in this format was enjoyable for me and has interesting bits that will be fleshed out on the record mix. It isn't anything groundbreaking for Noel, but it sounds good to me. Seriously though, who was expecting something ‘groundbreaking’ from Noel? This argument seems to be thrown out a lot lately for many who don’t particularly like this new stuff yet the album was never promised as ‘experimental’ or ‘groundbreaking’. But it was defined as different for Noel and more varied, and the songs we’ve all heard so far each have their own individual characteristics to mix things up. As Holmes alluded to last year, much of Noel’s music is mid tempo, but the rhythms here are varied up, the melodic ideas are different opposed to the traditional Noel style (granted, She Taught Me is most Noel like) and as seen on record, it’s much more multilayered with ideas going on further than a mere vocal melody and mid tempo plod. It’s not about Noel being experimental, it’s about Noel sounding reinvigorated. And these songs undoubtedly do that. For example, I don’t hear any similarities between Holy Mountain and Mucky Fingers/Do The Damage - the song is far more poppy, fun and colourful than those two. This one has an addictive refrain and hook that lodges in your head for a start. It’s A Beautiful World differs considerably from the acoustic plodders of yesteryear - as said, it bounces along with a great rhythm (Sharrocks drumming in this is great) and the comparisons between the comparatively drab What A Life and Ballad of the Mighty I from a poster above is well off the mark. Notice how both those songs are mid tempo, never quite reaching their potential. I think this song is the song that Ballad of the Mighty I could have been - it’s got that melancholy spirit to it that Noel excels at but it’s less laboured in its melody. The chorus here is one of Noel’s best in a long time - melodic ideas are quicker, snappier, punchier than the elongated and strained chorus melodies Noel has usually applied to many songs in latter years (‘What a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiife’ ‘Can’t find the meeaaaaaaaaaaaaaning’ ‘dreeeeeeeeeeeeeam on’ ‘in the heeeeeeeeeat of the moment’ ‘yes I’ll find yoooooooooooou’ etc etc etc to the point it’s bordering on cliche). And you know why it’s not groundbreaking, because it applies a trick from the classic era Noel - which is a great thing. In a full band form, it sounds very bouncy, cathartic and more euphoric but in actual fact it’s a very sad melody. It does something a bit more unusual in that the melody descends and there’s that tinge of regret and yearning associated with it, like many of Noel’s greatest melodies. This is why it is still recognisably Noel and isn’t the vast radical departure that some folk were strangely expecting - that’s a great thing because we all love his songs obviously, and it’s that quality that keeps us coming back (certainly with classic era Noel). It doesn’t sound like an Oasis chorus, but on closer inspection it uses the same tricks but it applies them in a different way. This is a great chorus and a great great song, one of his strongest in years and probably his most fully formed and satisfying solo tune yet. Not as good as Falling Down which is Noel’s benchmark for the last 17 years but in that same category which is testament in itself. I listened to this performance just once last night, not wanting to listen again as I held back for the studio version. But I woke up with it in my mind, and I’ve been constantly playing it. And it’s getting better and better with every listen. And the bizarre thing is I don’t even think Noel is that great a live performer, more so needing the euphoria of the crowd to elevate the live experience (as has happened when I’ve seen Noel, making it one of the best live experience ever). Yet the tune really carries the performance here. It’s cool, it swaggers.... but it’s also quite sad underneath it all. That’s true Noel Gallagher there, not the husk of recent years. The more colourful and mystical studio recording will drive the brilliance further adding even more depth to it. Reinvigorated Noel, ‘regenerated’ Noel but still recognisably Noel. My excitement for this album just keeps ramping up. Yes you can feel the energy in Noel’s songs. Holy Mountain, Beautiful World and She Taught Me How To Fly all got a fun pep in the step. That’s a good thing. I’m glad he’s take a break from songs like If I Had A Gun, The Dying of The Light, Dream On, etc. Noel can wright that shit in his sleep. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 5, 2017 8:45:57 GMT -5
Think Noel really struggled with the chorus. Sounds like by far the best song so far.
Dare i say it, the chorus sounds just like something else that i cant remember right now... 7/10
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Post by joladella on Nov 5, 2017 9:12:12 GMT -5
French members, did she say anything of importance? Anyway, this didn't work for me at all. But I've liked 50% of what I've heard so far, so I guess things could be worse. Here is what she says : "Ladies and gentleman, sit tight and say goodbye. Humanity is melting down. Borders are closing. Inhale, exhale. Relax, rest in peace, it's just the end of the world". And I thought Noel was for closed borders.  Sorry, don't want to start another political discussion, but I could not resist. |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 5, 2017 9:48:53 GMT -5
Holy Mountain: 7.5/10
Fort Knox: 9/10
She Taught Me How to Fly: ??
Beautiful World: ??
Gotta wait for those album versions.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 5, 2017 10:00:51 GMT -5
Looking forward to hearing remixes of this song. Tailor made for that.
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Post by funhouse on Nov 5, 2017 10:12:35 GMT -5
French members, did she say anything of importance? Anyway, this didn't work for me at all. But I've liked 50% of what I've heard so far, so I guess things could be worse. Here is what she says : "Ladies and gentleman, sit tight and say goodbye. Humanity is melting down. Borders are closing. Inhale, exhale. Relax, rest in peace, it's just the end of the world". I would probably have been better off not knowing  |
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Noel is slowly losing me with this album. Maybe a grower, and hopefully better on record. But can’t see what can really make the chorus better. Sounds exactly the same on the preview “trailer”. 
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