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Post by matt on Sept 25, 2017 14:18:55 GMT -5
The Liam fanboys are on a siege mentality tonight. You're deluded Matt the vast, vast majority of the chat has been reasonable regardless of differing opinions. Its quite clearly you that has the problem. Christ don't take it personally. Should have specified it to that member only, a Daily Mail reading troll so it's obvious he's not going to be mindful of this kind of thing. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 25, 2017 14:20:43 GMT -5
Can't we just be happy with both Liam and Noel releasing albums coming time and enjoy their music?
Cheers.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 25, 2017 14:33:38 GMT -5
Chasing Yesterday is clearly a compilation of tracks he's had laying around the house. He didn't seem excited and really worried during that Facebook thingy, and now we know why. You have to understand that, by the time Chasing Yesterday was announced (let alone released), it had been sitting on the shelf for months and Noel was already working on a different project, one that was producing exciting results through a new working method. On top of that, three of the tracks came from the AA sessions (from 2010) and one chorus was even 22 years old. It was old product and Noel had already moved on. If you've ever been in a position where you've had to present the public something you did a while ago, while currently working on something else, you will understand. It's not just that. There was clearly in the back of his head the legal problem with the AA and the need from his management to have "singles". He recorded in The Heat of the Moment and The Mighty I almost at the last moment and still didn't look like he believed in it, especially the first single. And also a quality concern: if he brought those songs to David Holmes, then he probably was not entirely satisfied with them. CY is a record he didn't want to make rather than an old album he was tired of. And honestly, it shows. |
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Post by neila83 on Sept 25, 2017 14:36:18 GMT -5
I get the feeling this is the album Noel wanted to make back when he started his solo career. During NGHFB promo he said he wanted the album to flow like a movie, but it didn't. Then both with CY and the discarted AA album he wanted something psychedelic and experimental, but it didn't work. Now it seems he has gotten those 2 things right. Of course I've only listened a few seconds from 3 songs and I could be completely wrong, but I think this is the solo album he always wanted to make. I think you're right. I think perhaps he needed to go through what happened with the other albums to see that he wouldn't get what he wanted by going into a studio with a bunch of prepared acoustic demos and trying to force them into what he wanted. He also needed to meet the right producer who knew how to mesh Noel's gift for melody with the kind of sound he wanted. Looks like he found him. (touch wood!). The previous two albums while good, were just that, good albums. They were nothing particularly special in the grand music scene, plenty pf albums each year that I would objectively say are better. I'm hoping with this one, we might have something that is objectively amongst the best music released this year. That's what a man of his talent should be doing, and hell two geniuses have been working on this for a long time. No excuses really. I will remain nervous though until I see reviews and see if it all holds up to the standard this suggests, or there is any mention of the dreaded filler... |
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Post by Teotihuacan on Sept 25, 2017 14:37:47 GMT -5
I wonder what those voices are saying at the end of that clip? Is it something foreign? "Attention Madame et Monsieur" equals  |
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Post by aldotvaof on Sept 25, 2017 14:38:38 GMT -5
Only 400 copies of the picture disk left, had a look when it first went up and think there are 2500 copies being pressed as there were around 2200 left at 9.30 this morning. Where do you see these numbers? Just tried adding a high number to my basket (like 10000) and it automatically brings the total in cart down to how many are left! 260 left now. |
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Post by neila83 on Sept 25, 2017 14:41:22 GMT -5
You have to understand that, by the time Chasing Yesterday was announced (let alone released), it had been sitting on the shelf for months and Noel was already working on a different project, one that was producing exciting results through a new working method. On top of that, three of the tracks came from the AA sessions (from 2010) and one chorus was even 22 years old. It was old product and Noel had already moved on. If you've ever been in a position where you've had to present the public something you did a while ago, while currently working on something else, you will understand. It's not just that. There was clearly in the back of his head the legal problem with the AA and the need from his management to have "singles". He recorded in The Heat of the Moment and The Mighty I almost at the last moment and still didn't look like he believed in it, especially the first single. And also a quality concern: if he brought those songs to David Holmes, then he probably was not entirely satisfied with them. CY is a record he didn't want to make rather than an old album he was tired of. And honestly, it shows. Yeh, he didn't seem excited at all about ITHOTM there, embarrassed even. I always wonder if the reason The mexican on the album doesn't have the punch it should have wasn't a creative decision, but seen as a legal necessity to remove it of as much of AAs contribution as possible. I wonder how he seems to have managed to push back at that nefarious influence from his management. Marcus Russell always seemed an absolute dinosaur, pushing back against any good idea Noel had if it wasn't 'commercial' enough. |
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Post by MONO on Sept 25, 2017 14:44:40 GMT -5
Where do you see these numbers? Just tried adding a high number to my basket (like 10000) and it automatically brings the total in cart down to how many are left! 260 left now. Good spot! #Hacker xD |
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Post by andymorris on Sept 25, 2017 14:46:45 GMT -5
Yeh, he didn't seem excited at all about ITHOTM there, embarrassed even. Yeah that Facebook thingy was kinda surreal. From a man who always super sell his records, he didn't seem to be liking that song at all (and rightly so, it's shit  ) |
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Post by jordan71421 on Sept 25, 2017 14:48:12 GMT -5
Can't we just be happy with both Liam and Noel releasing albums coming time and enjoy their music? Cheers. I am in my final semester at college and graduate this December and I am so happy I have music from Liam and Noel to be the soundtrack to this period in my life. I’m so happy |
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Post by andymorris on Sept 25, 2017 14:52:44 GMT -5
Can't we just be happy with both Liam and Noel releasing albums coming time and enjoy their music? Cheers. I am in my final semester at college and graduate this December and I am so happy I have music from Liam and Noel to be the soundtrack to this period in my life. I’m so happy Yeah, that's the spirit. Oasis were an important part of me growing up and i'm glad they can still give the same to the younger generation.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 14:54:41 GMT -5
Where do you see these numbers? Just tried adding a high number to my basket (like 10000) and it automatically brings the total in cart down to how many are left! 260 left now. Fuck, already ordered the white vinyl but I want to buy the picture disc too. I'm wondering if it's really worth owning two vinyls of the same album...  |
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Post by spaneli on Sept 25, 2017 14:58:31 GMT -5
I get the feeling this is the album Noel wanted to make back when he started his solo career. During NGHFB promo he said he wanted the album to flow like a movie, but it didn't. Then both with CY and the discarted AA album he wanted something psychedelic and experimental, but it didn't work. Now it seems he has gotten those 2 things right. Of course I've only listened a few seconds from 3 songs and I could be completely wrong, but I think this is the solo album he always wanted to make. I think you're right. I think perhaps he needed to go through what happened with the other albums to see that he wouldn't get what he wanted by going into a studio with a bunch of prepared acoustic demos and trying to force them into what he wanted. He also needed to meet the right producer who knew how to mesh Noel's gift for melody with the kind of sound he wanted. Looks like he found him. (touch wood!). I wonder what drew Noel to David Holmes. This wasn't an issue of David coming to Noel. This was Noel coming to David, being rebuffed, and then making very large concessions. This coming from a songwriter who didn't need to go through the hassle, and could pick up just about any producer he wanted. I'd like to see someone bring up what Noel's intentions were in some interview. |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Sept 25, 2017 14:58:42 GMT -5
You have to understand that, by the time Chasing Yesterday was announced (let alone released), it had been sitting on the shelf for months and Noel was already working on a different project, one that was producing exciting results through a new working method. On top of that, three of the tracks came from the AA sessions (from 2010) and one chorus was even 22 years old. It was old product and Noel had already moved on. If you've ever been in a position where you've had to present the public something you did a while ago, while currently working on something else, you will understand. It's not just that. There was clearly in the back of his head the legal problem with the AA and the need from his management to have "singles". He recorded in The Heat of the Moment and The Mighty I almost at the last moment and still didn't look like he believed in it, especially the first single. And also a quality concern: if he brought those songs to David Holmes, then he probably was not entirely satisfied with them. CY is a record he didn't want to make rather than an old album he was tired of. And honestly, it shows. You're reading too much into it. I don't remember him saying Mighty I was recorded at the last minute, and in any case he was very positive about the song (calling it "a much better track" than ITHOTM). As for him being awkward at the presentation, I think the problem is we grew up used to Noel pretending to be super confident about everything (or being under the effects of coke in the 90s), and if he doesn't put that facade up, then he "doesn't believe in his work". This morning he said he doesn't expect the new album to sell as much as the last two but nevertheless he loved it. That sentence could be twisted in the same way. As for the Chasing Yesterday tracks, we don't know in which state they reached David Holmes. He probably continued working on them after the meeting. Why would Noel release an album he didn't want to make? It's not like he's ever bottled a project he spent a lot of money and effort on, right? |
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Post by fink621 on Sept 25, 2017 15:04:12 GMT -5
Have to admit that the writing process for this album of not having anything prepared worried me & these clips haven't done anything to ease those fears. I'm not particularly interested in a producer throwing quirky sounds & production to mask the fact there isn't an actual song under all those bells & whistles (literally). BUT the most important thing is that these are only short snippets, I'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt
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Post by aldotvaof on Sept 25, 2017 15:28:02 GMT -5
Just tried adding a high number to my basket (like 10000) and it automatically brings the total in cart down to how many are left! 260 left now. Fuck, already ordered the white vinyl but I want to buy the picture disc too. I'm wondering if it's really worth owning two vinyls of the same album... That's what I have ordered! Mainly ordered the white one from HMV for the exclusive Orange 12" single though! |
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Post by MONO on Sept 25, 2017 15:32:33 GMT -5
Fuck, already ordered the white vinyl but I want to buy the picture disc too. I'm wondering if it's really worth owning two vinyls of the same album... You'll regret it if you won't order it, I promise! 116 left |
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Post by glider on Sept 25, 2017 15:33:10 GMT -5
You're deluded Matt the vast, vast majority of the chat has been reasonable regardless of differing opinions. Its quite clearly you that has the problem. Apart from a few people proclaiming that this will be shit (you always get a few), it has been fairly reasonable. Yep, no reason to call out other members for their opinions - getting these many new songs in such a short amount of time from the Gallaghers in a non-Oasis related manner is unprecedented, let's enjoy the discussion whether we agree or not! |
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Post by neila83 on Sept 25, 2017 15:35:15 GMT -5
I think you're right. I think perhaps he needed to go through what happened with the other albums to see that he wouldn't get what he wanted by going into a studio with a bunch of prepared acoustic demos and trying to force them into what he wanted. He also needed to meet the right producer who knew how to mesh Noel's gift for melody with the kind of sound he wanted. Looks like he found him. (touch wood!). I wonder what drew Noel to David Holmes. This wasn't an issue of David coming to Noel. This was Noel coming to David, being rebuffed, and then making very large concessions. This coming from a songwriter who didn't need to go through the hassle, and could pick up just about any producer he wanted. I'd like to see someone bring up what Noel's intentions were in some interview. Yes I'm really hoping we get a decent interview in this round about all this, and not his 'acme album promotion Morrissey anecdote TM' over and over. Given that Noel has been incredibly dismissive in the past about producers, and never really given one any real creative control, something obviously changed hugely for this massive about turn. Working with AA wasn't the same in that he went in with the songs prepared in his usual way. I'm fascinated to know how Holmes persuaded a man as stubborn, and dictatorial, as Noel, to change his ways. Maybe he was getting a bit desperate that he wasn't able to produce the results he wanted. |
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Post by bt95 on Sept 25, 2017 15:35:50 GMT -5
Y'know, I listened to Chasing Yesterday for the first time in a while all the way through yesterday.
People saying he 'didn't believe in it' are talking crap. I'm sorry.
He put it out there as his second album. It's an excellent one. Maybe not as good as his first, but it's still a fantastic effort.
Yes, perhaps the last of its kind in terms of where he wants to go now, and probably released six months too late, but it's nonsense that he doesn't rate it or didn't believe it.
That album cemented NG's place as a festival headliner and kept the momentum from his first album despite a three-and-a-half-year break.
And it's that album that has given him the safety net of being able to take his music in a different direction.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 15:45:25 GMT -5
I'll stop the world and melt with you....(is what I keep expecting to hear on She Taught Me How to Fly). Not that that's a bad thing, but..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 16:01:28 GMT -5
The interviews today were quite bad, and I hate how every interview is now edited into short clips and you have to wait half an hour to hear the next part. I hope he'll do a longer interview, and without Bono anecdotes (feels like Noel is trying to make Bono look cool again).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 16:01:47 GMT -5
Fuck, already ordered the white vinyl but I want to buy the picture disc too. I'm wondering if it's really worth owning two vinyls of the same album... You'll regret it if you won't order it, I promise! 116 left Great, I ordered it now... Well, I'm getting my paycheck in a few days so I guess I can treat myself a bit  Got the presale code btw. Never got it from Liam's website... |
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Post by MONO on Sept 25, 2017 16:50:49 GMT -5
SOLD OUT
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 25, 2017 16:51:32 GMT -5
You have to understand that, by the time Chasing Yesterday was announced (let alone released), it had been sitting on the shelf for months and Noel was already working on a different project, one that was producing exciting results through a new working method. On top of that, three of the tracks came from the AA sessions (from 2010) and one chorus was even 22 years old. It was old product and Noel had already moved on. If you've ever been in a position where you've had to present the public something you did a while ago, while currently working on something else, you will understand. It's not just that. There was clearly in the back of his head the legal problem with the AA and the need from his management to have "singles". He recorded in The Heat of the Moment and The Mighty I almost at the last moment and still didn't look like he believed in it, especially the first single. And also a quality concern: if he brought those songs to David Holmes, then he probably was not entirely satisfied with them. CY is a record he didn't want to make rather than an old album he was tired of. And honestly, it shows. Mighty I was meant to be on the AA album. Not sure when it was recorded in it's final form though. |
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